wealth and money

Sunn1894 · #1 05-11-2007, 12:25 PM

Hi,

Can somebody with 2nd house uranus in scorpio(Pluto in 1st house good aspected)become rich if he works in a Hi techology field?

Uranus is well aspeced with jupiter on MC (uranus trine jupiter).

What kind of natal charts do wealthy people have - just those who started with nothing? What kind of indicators?

What happens if a person have 2nd house planet which is not well aspected, but lord of that house is very strong and well aspected? :59:

Shining Ray · #2 05-11-2007, 04:44 PM

The 2nd house as well as being the house of money is also the house of skills and talents so yes if you possess the skills of working with technology (Uranus in 2nd) you would be making good use of this placement. Uranus trine Jupiter attracts good fortune, how predictable is that fortune I don't know. Patterns of income may be erractic.

I don't know what type of charts wealthy people have, maybe you could check out some wealthy celebrity charts and see what the rulers of their houses are aspected like. I recently viewed Michael Jacksons chart, the Scorpio Ascendant chart and he has Sagittarius on the 2nd cusp. The ruler of Sagittarius/Jupiter is in Libra in the 11th house conjunct North Node it sextiles Pluto and is conjunct Neptune. His Venus is in Leo conjunct Uranus in the 9th he buys a whole theme park for his garden, big spender. Michael was poor as a very young child and gained sudden wealth, but has lost it all again. Venus relates to money and possessions so finances have been erratic with ups and downs.

Sag Moon · #3 05-11-2007, 05:20 PM

The 2nd is also what we value.

Do ou have any planets in the 8th should also be of interest along with 6th and 10th.

You can get the charts of many famoous people that changed industry or are rich like Gates,Carnigie,Rockerfella ,JP Morgan etc..

There are no clear rules for one to gain wealth,but there are easier charts than others where gaining wealth is evident.

What rules the 2nd is what you value and the rules of the 6th & 10th will show how you might accomplish what you value as far as meterial possesions through work and persistance.

The 8th is how you use those resources.

My sister has Ju/Pl in the 2nd and she never seems to have a hard time gaining meterial resources whereas I have Cancer there and things come and go. Especially my ability to earn $$.

BTW Ju is not well placed in the 2nd usually if not accompanied by another body.It seems Sa is better there for some reason.It may be that people with Ju there seem to think luck will reign without work. Sa makes you work for all things in whatever hous it is in. Ne is where we yern for things. If you have Ne in the 2nd you might want to be rich. Depending on other factors will determine weather you get there or not.

Astrology shows us the ways where we might find easier ways to be successful and it's up to the individual to use the advice it shows. Some think that if an astrologer says they will gain financal freedom that they need do nothing.You must exercise the ways to get there.

groovygal · #4 05-11-2007, 09:09 PM

I have Uranus and Neptune 2nd house in Scorpio. Back in 1997 I was in Internet marketing, selling business opportunities and I did very well financially. I invented my own product (uranus) create my own website, did the marketing etc. I have Cancer on my MC so I worked at home, and with my Leo sun in the 10th, I have never really worked for anyone (besides telemarketing which lasted 2 days ha ha).

I've always done well with money.. at 26 I've always made more than average...

Maybe my chart can help if u have questions, feel free to ask

Sunn1894 · #5 05-12-2007, 04:10 PM

Hi groovygal,

I was asking not for me but just for some case, cause that person was asking me the question I asked?

My personal stuff is: I have uranus on the 2nd house cusp in scorpio sign and Neptune also in 2nd house(saggitarius). I prefer having my own business - I started a project a year ago - It and technology (mobile) business. I hope also I'll have a nice life with my business. I was working for others but I didn't feel very good because I didn't have any freednom at all. I'm having a leo MC - sun is in 8th house, jupiter is in my 10th house.

Are you doing any artistic work too - because of your Neptune? I'm asking cause I have lot of hobbies connected to art.

groovygal · #6 05-12-2007, 06:05 PM

To answer your question, yes I am very much involved with art and music... was also a dancer for awhile and I have a certificate in massage therapy. which are all neptune related endeavors... but my passion still lies with technology.

Neptune Rising · #7 05-14-2007, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Sag Moon

BTW Ju is not well placed in the 2nd usually if not accompanied by another body.It seems Sa is better there for some reason.It may be that people with Ju there seem to think luck will reign without work. Sa makes you work for all things in whatever hous it is in. Ne is where we yern for things. If you have Ne in the 2nd you might want to be rich. Depending on other factors will determine weather you get there or not.

This made me think of my friend who has Jupiter alone in the 2nd, Libra 29 degrees, and retrograde. It does however make a trine with his MC.

He just seems to attract money, doesn't have to make any effort to make it, takes 3 one month holidays a year no worries. He was born to self made wealthy parents. He does count his blessings though, especially when I remind him of them. But he seems to need to experience the other, more raw side of life as well. He feels too lazy if he just carries on in the family business where he will be set up comfortably. So he goes on holidays to the materially poorest countries and lives a life of non luxury just to get that taste.

Maybe the 29th degree has something to do with his material luck...

Neptune

Neptune Rising · #8 05-14-2007, 11:52 PM

Another friend I know is a very wealthy landlord. He does not know his birth time so I'm trying to figure this out.

He has Jupiter in early Aquarius conjunct Saturn in late Capricorn. I'm guessing that maybe these 2 placed in the 4th house would help him to be the wealthy landlord he has made himself...

Neptune

Sag Moon · #9 05-15-2007, 12:09 AM

My sister has Ju/Pl in the 2nd and has no problems with money for some reason.

I am just reflecting what I have read from those that are more experienced than myself.

There are always exceptions to generic translations.

Bill Gates has Ju/Pl in the 2nd as do a few otrhers that are rich. At times Ju can be the sign of they do not know what they have and squander that which they have. WHat if an illness hits your friend.

I have Cancer on the 2nd and have always had a hard time earning money.

I am thinking of trying my hands at art also. Astrology could provide another source of income along with my inventions in electronics which I need to get sites up for.

I thinnk I am destined to create something that will be of lasting value for the world.I never wished to be famous just rich.

Neptune Rising · #10 05-15-2007, 08:59 PM

Sag Moon

You should go for what your heart desires, you never know where it may lead!

I have Sun in 2nd as well as Venus/Mercury. I make money but also spend it on myself and others, and things i love. Oh well! As far as I'm concerned, easy come easy go!!

Neptune

Sag Moon · #11 05-15-2007, 10:04 PM

Neptune
I have tried so many things to make money I am running out of options.

Seeing that I show an affinity for the arts I am thinking of trying to create art through what I envision.

I seem to have no luck no matter what I apply myself to.

I'll eventually find something to do that will provide a steady flow of money.

Neptune Rising · #12 05-16-2007, 05:52 PM

Sag moon,

Everything you do try adds to your experience even if it doesn't work out the way you hoped. As long as you have the determination, I believe things eventually fall into place somehow - just persist. This is something I have to tell myself also! Never to give up.

The best way to spend life is to do something you enjoy, and as a side effect to get paid for it. Its just a matter of figuring out what and how.

Neptune

Sag Moon · #13 05-16-2007, 07:51 PM

You are right. I have several different avenues to use.At the moment I have been stuck. I wish to get a number of things going again and try my hand in the arts after seeing what others produce.

My chart I believe shows that I can create art. Getting it recognized is another matter entirley.

Taurluna · #14 05-31-2007, 01:58 AM

I married into money...Pieces on the cusp of my second house. I have Saturn, Chiron, Mercury, Sun, Mars, and Juno all in my 2nd house. Mercury is the ruler of my 5th and 8th house. I have Pluto/Uranus conj in the 8th house. I have a nice trine between Venus and Jupiter. My husband has Pluto/Jupiter conj in the 5th in the sign of Leo. I think Pluto/Jupiter aspects indicate wealth, also Venus/Jupiter.

Sag Moon · #15 05-31-2007, 02:07 AM

Pluto trine Jupiter in my chart.3rd to 7th.

My sister Ju/Pl conj. 2nd she has no problems creating money.

I really think Ma and Ju have alot to do with how one aquires wealth along with the 2nd/8th house placements.

I have read that Pluto is how we use others money.

Nothing is written in stone in astology as I have Ne in the th trine Pi on the 10th so I think I can create things that might eventually turn lucrative,but I am running out of time.

Shining Ray · #16 05-31-2007, 09:41 AM

My brother has Jupiter Conjunct Pluto in his chart, and money wise he has done quite well. I wouldn't say he was rich, he has bought a property abroad but lives over here in England. His wife has done really well in her career, she has always been driven from a very young age. I will have to get her birth details and examine her chart. My other brother works with money and he has 2nd/8th house conections.

I myself would like to earn more money. I have some good placements Pluto in 2nd Libra square to Venus in Capricorn/5th and Venus Trines my Taurus M.C and opposes my Jupiter/Leo 11th. The ruler of my 2nd Mercury is trine Uranus/3rd, and Jupiter/11th and sextiles Venus/5th and conjuncts the Moon/7th - although Mercury is in Pisces square to Neptune. which may mean I might not handle money well. My charts looks wierd one half looks more materially driven and the other half is more spiritual and doesn't like to be greedy. I think I am torn inside, I want to earn money but I feel guilty like I am being very greedy and materialistic.

Sag Moon · #17 05-31-2007, 11:18 AM

I have Cancer on the 2nd and money flows through my hands.

I also have a 5th\8th house emphasis. Those tht do usully have inventive ways to make money.

I really hate money,but know it's essential to keep afloat in the world.

Shining Ray · #18 05-31-2007, 01:44 PM

Heres 3 charts of successful rich people. It might help to see what placements or aspects they have. The founder of the fiat, a record producer and walt disney (although I have heard he was a tyrant at work and at home, which is shocking considering he made cartoons for childrens entertainment.) But it is probably not too shocking looking at his Mars/Saturn in Capricorn in 4th. And Sun/Pluto by the M.C.

Here are the charts:

Ginnani Agnelli:

Italian industrialist. Founder of Fiat Auto Dynasty.

I think with this chart, for money made out of cars there is the Mercury in 2nd conjunct the ruler of the 2nd house Uranus. Opposed Jupiter in the 8th. And trine Pluto in Cancer 7th, business partnerships dealings, contracts.

Sun in 3rd and Mercury/Uranus in 2nd Pisces is disposited by Neptune in 8th which rules the 3rd house. A lot of 3rd house activity in Aries. Venus on south node in Taurus I wonder if that means you make money easily.

Nodes in Angular house are supposed to be good for success especially NN in 10th.

Roy Baker
Record Producer

I think the Sun/Jupiter in Scorpio square Pluto in 7th house near the 8th for money. The Sun rules 8th house as well. Ruler of 2nd Uranus in Gemini 6th, Media. NN and Moon in 5th Gemini creativity/Media.

Walt Disney

Cartoon Man

South Node Taurus 8th. North Node Scorpio 2nd. Sun opposed Pluto near M.C. Creative work Venus 5th/Neptune 10th. Uranus ruler of 6th conjunct Sun in Sagittarius 3rd. Media. And probably other aspects in all the charts which show success.

Sag Moon · #19 06-01-2007, 12:09 AM

Astrodata Bank did research into Famous and the not so famous and stated that it did not find those that became so to have outer planets above the horizon.I find that hard to believe as I have not seen many that were notables to not have a pronounced outer planet above the horizon.

Pluto usually has to do with others resources or inheritance. The ability to create resources also.

Ma/Ju usually denotes an easier time making money along with a well aspected Ve.

2nd/8th placements unless really afflicted have a good chance of being well off.

I will look furhter as there are many that are notables that can be looked at.

Howard Hughes had a Ma/Ju square I think.Would not have liked to have been him though.

On Gianni he has a 24 Sag Asc a Deg. which I have been studying intently seeing it is a critical degree in my chart.Most that have it are drawn to stimilants.

astro.teacher · #20 06-01-2007, 01:49 AM

I have a list of aphorisms on my site dealing with wealth, see if you can find any of those in these charts.

http://antiquus.50webs.com/Riches.html

Sag Moon · #21 06-01-2007, 03:08 AM

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It looks as though the writing is from Lilly. Am I correct?

You can look at my chart if you wish. I have never gained riches,but Inever went without either.

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astro.teacher · #22 06-01-2007, 03:51 AM

No, its from various authors ive compiled. Most come from the books found on my website (specifically from Cladius Dariot and Oger Ferrier http://antiquus.50webs.com/Library.html). I dont use Lilly as a resource much, I tend to go for the lesser known Astrologers. Fame doesnt necessarily equal mastership of their craft.

Sag Moon · #23 06-01-2007, 11:23 AM

It was reference to Lords I thought about.

Shining Ray · #24 06-01-2007, 11:55 AM

Hi Astro Teacher,

I tried your rules on the 1st chart, but I am the worst traditional astrologer in the world. My interpretation is probably different because I include Uranus, Neptune and Pluto. But I did find some things I missed using your formula for wealth. (But I use the outer planets)

The 1st chart Gianni - Jupiter is afflicted by Uranus across the 2nd/8th house axis but I don't see hard aspects not bringing wealth. Maybe this aspect indicates a sudden wealth/Benefit.

The Lord of the 2nd which has Aquarius on the cusp I would use Uranus as well as Saturn to rule this house. Saturn squares the Asc. Uranus conjuncts Mercury, opposes Jupiter in 8th. And Uranus Lord of 2nd exactly trines Pluto.

It's probably better if you applied your method to the charts, as you know what planets are dignified and well placed.

I will check out the other two charts as well.

Shining Ray · #25 06-01-2007, 12:11 PM

Chart 2 - Record Producer.

Jupiter in Scorpio squares Saturn/Pluto afflicted but still brings wealth.

Lord of 2nd Saturn conjunct Pluto. Uranus conjunct NN in Gemini.

Chart 3 Walt Disney - Jupiter in Fall squares Moon and conjuncts Saturn but I wouldn't say his wealth was limited. Not sure when he made his wealth maybe it was when he was older.

Lord of 2nd Venus in Capricorn 5th trines Asc sextile Mercury.

NN in 2nd house.

As I said it is probably better if you apply the method to the charts, as I am not a traditional Astrologer so I think I just messed your system up

. Some very good points though to use to help determine a persons finance.