North Node

[2rainbows]

I find the placement of NN to be a very easy way to cut through clutter and excess analysis and hone right in on life purpose and direction
good info and good interps for NN are here:
http://members.aol.com/terriastro/nodes.htm
Cheers,
2rainbows

[astro.teacher]

I find those intepretations very vague and general, just reading the first 5 I can see they all apply to me (or at least what I would picture myself as, as im sure others will agree). Modern Astrology has yet to attain the understanding of the North Node unfortunately. I will have to write about the Nodes for one of my up and coming treatise. Hopefully clear some things up for those who wish to use them in Modern Astrology. If anything, thanks for the inspiration !

[2rainbows]

fullmoondawn,
i believe the opposite is true of the nodes. the north is outward service and destiny which would never be to serve oneself. and south node points at places where you are inwardly focused, which is sometimes necessary to attain life lessons and understanding which can be turned around to offer others.
and astro.teacher, perhaps by seeing vagueness, you have done yourself a disservice. if you kept to where NN was at your birth and where it is now, perhaps you would feel even more inspired, i did/am.
2rainbows

[astro.teacher]

and astro.teacher, perhaps by seeing vagueness, you have done yourself a disservice. if you kept to where NN was at your birth and where it is now, perhaps you would feel even more inspired, i did/am.

Im sorry but I dont understand what your saying at all. Can you elaborate? I see vaguenes in the interpretations from this website, they can all apply to almost everyone, or at least the desires of everyone. Who doesnt want to be a leader? independant? have inner peace? stability? thought of as intellectual? I mean these key words are no more specific then newspaper Astrology.

[2rainbows]

I have appreciation for what is direct, to the point and still full of meaning which is how i see the interps from the site i posted. skimming some of them, i still find my placement of NN as much more pertinent than what the author suggests for NN in other stations. it is quite strange to me to state finding inspiration and to diss the work. perhaps south node is messing with you!

sorry fullmoondawn, i do not see south node as wanting to appease others. my original intent of focus was on NN. looking more into SN, i find it to point out our egocentricity and allows us to know better and overcome the experiences of hell in life.
It is not always easy to translate an emotion behind a reply. my only intention is to further inspire and perhaps make you think one step further than you had. know too that aquarius has a strong hold on me.
all kinds of cool sent,
2rainbows

[FlyAway]

Originally Posted by astro.teacher

I will have to write about the Nodes for one of my up and coming treatise. Hopefully clear some things up for those who wish to use them in Modern Astrology. If anything, thanks for the inspiration !

Keep us posted, since I'm only familiar with the common explanation of the Nodes.
Even my own astro teacher seems to be puzzled what they really could mean

[astromony]

This is an interesting thread for me because i have on my own given alot of emphasis to the nodes and their placement in a chart and most importantly how the nodes aspect to other planets. I think that this has been partly based on my own thinking about how Vedic astrologers see the nodes as most important and relate Rahu and Ketu to karma or our placement on the wheel of life. It's true that nodes are related to sidereal and this is roughly 23 degrees back from tropical zodiac because sidereal charts takes into consideration the precession of the equinoxes which basically is about the earth's wobble. Plato called this ~26,000 year cycle the "great year" and the Mayans and other ancients based there calanders on this anomoly. The question is still unanswered as far as i know regarding why the earth wobbles, another words our planet is being pulled in more than one direction at the same time. Some believe that our sun is actually part of a binary star system. This to date has not been proven. So, the nodal placement in sidereal would create the same aspects as if calculated from tropical because all of the planets would move 23 degrees back from where they are in the tropical zodiac.
To me, the aspects that the nodes make to planets is significant and indicates what helps with or stands in the way of attaining our life's purpose. I believe these to be karma based. These are my ideas on the subject.

[The_Sundance_Kid]

I'm really confused.

I have struggled to understand the nodes in my chart, and have given it alot of thought. Here is my dilema- I have my own convictions and am constantly questioning myself and developing my own philosophy. I do not however like to tell others how to live their lives. I do not understand when it is right to interfere in the affairs of others and when to leave them alone. In a relationship I will often drop the other person if I think they have issues as I think I would be interfering/ manipulating others if I tried to help. At the same time I feel I am abandoning them, as they seem to want my help. But what if they reject my help? I also believe that everyone is entitled to their own perspective, so how I can I change another's?

To put this astrologically- My North Node is in Aries, in the 5th house, with its ruler in Aquarius in the 3rd, and my South Node is in Libra, in the 11th house, with its ruler in Scorpio in the 12th. Using the stuff from above-

I did what- Scorpio/12th house- compassion through discovery of the subconscious, and I did it Libra/11th house- fairly in groups- eg astrology groups, philosophy groups, frienship groups. I played the teacher/ helper, member of campaigns

What I could do- Aquarius/ 3rd- have a wide circle of friends, keep in the thick of it- news, gossip, I like journalism and being in the know. How I could do it- Aries/5th house= selfishly, indulgently.

I do not know what to pick, Aquarius is prominent in both. I was once told that my path in this life was to be myself, to abandon trying to change the world and try to change myself, to be the best self I could, and that in turn would help the world. So basically I'm here to enjoy myself because in the past I cared too much for other people. And I'm here to be creative and expressive, and thats the best way I can be of use to other people. Reading the above posts, I feel as if maybe that was wrong, and I'm supposed to be selfless? I sometimes feel I have to learn to be more confident and assertive- and think of myself more?

Nodal aspects- North Node trine Mars, sextile Uranus and Chiron.

There's alot of Mars/ Uranus energy here. Help?

[Lissa]

I usually see the South Node as a point of "easiness",the things that make you feel comfortable;the old ruts,patterns of behaviour..like someone said before,the"easy way out".Like a security net or a safe place to run when things get harder.When I think about the South Node,I think about my bed...a safe place that's always there,when things go wrong I can simply hide underneath the sheets and it's a cosy and warm place where I can stay until the world feels like a happier place to live.From a karmic perspective,the South Node shows abilities you mastered on another life.But,of course,we can't stay in bed for the rest of our lifes.We need to get out and face our challenges.When I think about it,hiding in bed when the ride gets harder is a very childish thing to do...eventually we will have to get out of bed and start living again.That's the challenge of the North Node.To take us out of the comfort zone.In opposition to the South Node,the North Node shows the abililities we need to master in this life,so we can evolve.The North Node challenges us to look at the world from a different perspective,to do things in a different way.Of course,I'm not trying to say the South Node is a "useless" point that holds us back in life;although astrology usually considers the South Node as being malefic,I honestly think it also shows innate talents,and I don't thinkt he idea is to forget about your South Node teachings and start living oriented to the North Node teachings only(if that's even possible...)...what a karmical mess it would create! The idea is finding a point of balance where you can apply your South Node abilities to the path showed by the North Node.

It's funny that I feel like my South Node is more of a chalenge than my North Node...I have a1st house Capricorn North Node,with Saturn in Aquarius in the1st as well.The1st house North Node is basicly about independence and not letting others take control of your life but I have3Aries planets so I feel like I already mastered that.My South Node in Cancer is in the7th,conjunct Chiron,making a t-square to my Venus/IC conjunction;with the Midheaven it makes a Grand Cross.Errr..I do feel like I must have some type of karma concerning relationships but which teenager doesn't?

[astromony]

Lissa, I have wondered what true node oppose chiron (the wounded healer within) would be like. I have chiron in 30 degree aspect to north node and i feel almost like the two are teamed up in this life for me, like Chiron acts as a motivator. My north node is also in the first house in pisces and makes no other aspects in my chart and i have felt major alienation issues in this lifetime in terms of seeing things so differently from the people around me. I wonder if the two are connected somehow. Thanks for the enlightening post.

[astromony]

Sundance Kid, i would see those tie-ins with uranus, mars and chiron as a good and powerful thing. What if selflessness is also part of your purpose on some level, maybe through children and creativity(5th house) in connection with yourself(aries)? It would seem you have strong assistance from the universe in achieving what you came to do. Just thoughts. i enjoyed reading your thoughts.

[Draco]

I see the North and South Nodes, as the axis of fate and destiny.

They give us our bearings in life, the North Node is where we are headed, what we are to attain, the South Node where we are coming from, all that we cannot change, but this of course, is the result of the destiny from another existence that we either failed or achieved, usually a bit of both.

If the South Node is your unchangeable fate, everything that you are born with and cannot change, then the North is the direction in which you are meant to proceed, and directs us to the place in which we can make the best of our fate, which is what destiny is, but we may only act within the parameters of our fate, parameters of course, which we set for ourselves depending upon what we did (or didn't do) with our opportunities last time round.

I suppose the Nodes come into their own in karmic exploration, although karmic astrology isn't often my bag that much, but I toy with the idea.

I think we have several axes of fate and destiny in the horoscope: The North and South Nodes, Jupiter and Saturn, the fourth and tenth cusps, and the Parts of Fortune and Spirit.

I haved played with the idea of trying to assess a person's attainable destiny by analysing the North Node, Jupiter, Fortune and the tenth cusp as a group, and assessing the fate by exploring the South Node, Saturn, Spirit, and the fourth cusp, showing us the materials we have brought with us from last time, the tools that can get us there.

Anyway, just my musings.

[SameeSadiq]

Nice thread.

[Claire19]

I totally agree that the north node placement, sign and its aspects tell what our life purpose is to a great degree. Some people find it easier if they have the flowing aspects to the North Node. The ideal scenario is to incorporate where we have come from, i.e. the south Node and its familiarity and experience and utilise it with our life path this time in the north node.

Claire

[Draco]

My North Node is in Cancer, and I actually find that very boring indeed.

[flea]

hmmmm Draco... I might be stepping way out of line here, however the feeling of boredom can actually hide some level of resistence. There may be some reasons worth uncovering here. Just an idea, it only makes sense if it strikes a chord otherwise, it just means I am way of track, so apologies in advance.

Love & Light
Flea

[2rainbows]

Thank you all for keeping this thread alive and kicking. one reason, people may find themselves in many interps could simply be because of the experience of Node transits.
Draco, try practicing a little meditation with the interp for NN in Cancer and you may find some clarity or understanding or check the interp and see where NN is transiting now, even check progressed NN, if nothing clicks that's ok too!.
i know that the key to happiness is the ability to be free from our egos, and i feel sure some aspect of astrology will help us to do so; until sufficient evidence supports otherwise, i feel this help lies in the nodes.
Cheers,
2rainbows

[Draco]

Hi Flea.

I would have thought that the South Node was about resistance, not the North.

Draco, try practicing a little meditation with the interp for NN in Cancer and you may find some clarity or understanding or check the interp and see where NN is transiting now, even check progressed NN, if nothing clicks that's ok too!.

Well, the NN has hardly budged in secondary progression.

The transitting NN in Pisces is intercepted in my first.

[flea]

Draco,

You can have resistence to any aspect of your chart, that feeling of "that's not me" or whatever. The feeling of boredom is a signifier of resistence rather than any aspect. Some people feel more comfortable with the south node some the node north, some neither.

I like the nodes because it brings an axis into everyone's chart. Synthesising two apprently opposite concepts into one. I love that aspect of conquering duality.

Love & Light
Flea

[flea]

Thanks for that FMD,

I googled my vedic north node just now and got quite an interesting answer. It is good advice in some ways for just about anyone, but I can apply it to some things I am dealing with at the moment, and can realte it to my gem 12th house north node and merc conj south node.

Rahu in Taurus (Rahu in Rishabam)
You are a demanding person with strong emotions. Your desire for intense experiences sometimes causes you trouble. You sense your potential to be content and stable, but you often find it hard to get there with your many passions. Learn to establish inner security and discover your own values. Set up your own bank account, get a part time job, or make your own money decisions. You have deep insights into people and life, but need to develop steady relationships so you can trust and share your insights with others. You're here to develop patience and learn to appreciate the reward in simple things. Let situations be without having to investigate, probing or consume them. Don't get bogged down in addictive behaviours. Nature and the outdoors are very healing for you.

It struck me as important the idea you posted that the north node can contain hidden obsessions, which I was considering anyway with a 12th house NN. So I become curious about my obsessions having been pointed in a certain direction.

Love & Light
Flea

[Arian Maverick]

My North Node is in Cancer, and I actually find that very boring indeed.

This made me giggle a bit because I have a watery North Node in Pisces and, like all of the zodiacal opposite pairs, the natures of Capricorn and Cancer are quite different. However, I don't find a Cancer North Node boring at all!

I'm probably violating some copyright laws here, but I'm going to post the two lists at the beginning of the North Node in Cancer and North Node in the 4th House chapter from Astrology for the Soul by Jan Spiller:

Attributes to Develop

Work in these areas can help uncover hidden gifts and talents

• Noticing and validating feelings
• Empathy
• Nurturing and supporting others
• Building one's own foundation and security
• Honest disclosure of feelings and insecurities
• Humility
• Accepting others' foibles and fluctuating moods without judgment
• Staying centered in one's own feelings

Tendencies to Leave Behind

Working to reduce the influence of these tendencies can help make life easier and more enjoyable

• Needing to control everything and everyone
• Compulsion to take charge without fully understanding the situation
• Ignoring the process; being too focused on the goal
• Feeling completely responsible for everything
• Hiding feelings and fears in intimate relationships
• Doing things to gain respect or admiration from others
• Taking care of others' feelings and neglecting one's own
• Doing what is "socially acceptable" rather than what is totally honest
• Thinking that things have to be difficult in order to be important

I believe that emotional vulnerability is a great fear with anyone who possessing the water south node/earth node north combination because although both elemental pairs are feminine in nature, the various elements of their physical counterparts (i.e. hydrogen and oxygen in water and nitrogen oxygen, hydrogen, and many other elements in soil) have arranged to form very different substances. Both are reliant upon each other in nature to nourish living organisms, yet water containing too much soil becomes murky and unfit for human consumption while soil containing too much water makes it difficult for many species of plants to put down their roots and grow. I would like to continue with this analogy because I believe it demonstrates the natural resistance earth signs and water signs sometimes have to each other. Many spiritual persons have claimed that only One exists, and I too believe this is true; however, in this physical dimension of polarity, it is necessary that we interpret things as being outside of ourselves in order to have various unique experiences. Perhaps I'm reaching a bit far out here and become engrossed in New Age teachings, but I want to explore flea's comment several posts back for I may believe some interesting ideas may spring forth from my mindless rambling:

I like the nodes because it brings an axis into everyone's chart. Synthesising two apprently opposite concepts into one. I love that aspect of conquering duality.

I believe many of us have difficulty the nodes for this very reason; they are inexorably linked to each other and cannot truly be separated. They are an axis! Unless we possess many oppositions in our individual natal charts, I believe that many of us are not used to experiencing life in this way. Indeed, I have always been relieved to have an Aries Ascendant for this very reason, for the signs align easily with the natural houses and I have much difficulty fathoming the combined definitions of reversed signs and houses (i.e charts with a late Virgo or early Libra Ascendant).

I have much more to say about this topic, but for the moment, I will state that I believe the earth natures of Taurus, Virgo, and Capricorn fear the instability they believe the water natures of Scorpio, Pisces, and Cancer will bring them, similar too how soil, if it possessed human emotions and consciousness, may fear the water.

More rambling to come, but I must depart

Arian Maverick

[2rainbows]

Does anyone want to take a stab at this interpretation?:
Prince Harry's NN is 29degrees taurus in house 4- natal chart.
Thanks,
2rainbows

[flea]

A bit off track but I heard that Harry's Karma is similar to that of his great grandfather George 6th. L&L Flea

[Shining Ray]

Here's some interpretations by Jan spiller for the Nodes. Excuse a couple of spelling mistakes I forgot to correct them.