Antares and Part of Fortune

[Yoi]

Hi

I was wondering if anyone knew anything about the Fixed Star Antares. I noticed it was right on top of my Part of Fortune (by a few minutes!). Is it a good or bad influence?

I have to admit I don't know much about fixed stars. Is Antares an important one? There are just so many fixed stars I have no idea...

Thanks!

[archergirl]

Having any of the more malefic fixed stars conjunct your POF is not a good thing; I have its counterpart, Aldebaran, conjunct mine. However, it also depends on what the dispositor of your POF (in your case, Jupiter) is doing in your chart; check its sign, condition, house placement, etc.

Here is a good link:

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/wealthaphorisms.html

The fixed stars are near the bottom of Deb Houlding's thread on traditional aphorisms.

Best,
AG

[Yoi]

Thanks! Oh well, my poor PoF...It's quite interesting though that my PoF, Antares and Sun are all within a couple of degrees of each other (and closely squaring Jupiter). Antares I read has Mars and Jupiter energy. Funnily enough it is square Jupiter which is also conjunct Mars.

[Draco]

'Antares' literally means 'anti-Ares', the Greek war God, or for our purposes, 'anti-Mars'.

This is certainly a star with a lot of mettle, in that it has the audacity to go against the war god himself, to declare battle upon war itself. In fact, the phrase 'war on terror' comes to mind, and now I'm thinking how this star must have influence over this political issue (anyone know the data of when Bush first declared the 'war on terror'?).

That treasure is to be found for you in this star and it's influence, is revealed in the fact that Fortune conjoins it.

[Yoi]

Thanks for the info Draco,

I can't help but think though, "Oh no, not another 'fighting' aspect in my chart." I have Mars conjoin Jupiter, both squaring the Sun, Mars conjunct the NN and squaring the Ascendant, Pluto trining the MC and Mars semisquaring Pluto. I guess I can add Antares conjoin PoF (and maybe the Sun) to the list. I guess the stars and planets really want to tell me something. Thank God Venus (which trines Mars/Jupiter) and the Moon (which trines Pluto) help soften all these martial aspects.

[Neptune Rising]

Originally Posted by Yoi

I can't help but think though, "Oh no, not another 'fighting' aspect in my chart."

, after reading this thread I found Antares is one degree away from my ascendant/North Node/Neptune! Oh well! The ruler of my asecendant (Jupiter) is in the third house and I think it squares the above.

I'm not really sure what that means, I;m sure my books will give me a clue at some point.

Could possible mean I come across as quite forceful with my philosophies?! (wild guess)

Neptune

[Draco]

Jupiter in my chart is a degree short of Antares, I'll have to get my thinking cap on about that.

Robson says, 'Great religious zeal, real or pretended, ecclesiastical preferment, tendency to hypocrisy, benefits through relatives.'. Hmm, sounds a bit too simplistic to me.

For you Neptune, when rising, Robson says, 'Riches and honour, benefits seldom last'.

[Neptune Rising]

Originally Posted by Draco

For you Neptune, when rising, Robson says, 'Riches and honour, benefits seldom last'.

Hmm, when I do get riches, I always spend them anyway, keep the money flowing

Neptune

[Yoi]

I recently found some new info on Antares from CEO Carter,

http://www.digthatcrazyfarout.com/ca...Sagatarius.htm

However, it is well to bear in mind that the great star
Antares, the "dying giant" of our galaxy, falls in 8
Sagittarius, and that this degree, therefore, is strongly
Martian, for Antares is in the constellation Scorpio, and
the nature of the fixed stars depends on the constellation
occupied, not the sign.

Also a comment in the Gemini section,

As for all the more or less deplorable "effects" that the
ancients ascribed to them, and which Robson has faithfully
record, I believe we may dismiss them as pure rubbish.

CEO Carter is a bit off with the degree of Antares. It's more like 9 degrees and a bit during Churchill's birth and now around 9 degrees and 45 minutes, rather than 8 degrees. An interesting comment on the nature of the fixed stars, there I thought.


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[unukalhai]

The "fixed" stars are only somewhat "fixed" - they follow precession like everything else, about 50arc-seconds a year if I recall properly. Slowly but surely, in 25000-26000 years, they make their round about the zodiac.

Antares is a humongous star, physically speaking, and is considered a M-class supergiant. In our solar system, in place of our Sun, it'd extend into the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter. It's close proximity to us (~600 light years) make it one of the brightest stars in the sky, and as it is close to our ecliptic, it's one of the 4 brightest stars on the ecliptic. This makes it one of the "royal" stars.. Aldebaran, Regulus, and Fomalhaut being the others. These four stars are highly regarded across all cultures and beliefs, and are also the "4 horseman" of the bible and the 4 archangels. These are the stars representing the fixed cross, or the "Bull, Lion, Eagle and Man".

It also the alpha star of the Scorpius constellation, and thus is also called Alpha Scorpio, being the dominant star of the scorpion, and is also called the "Scorpion's Heart".

Being the dominant star of Scorpio, and it's "anti-Mars" nature (with Mars ruling the opposite sign, Aries, so we should realize that anti means not against in this case, but more of "in zodiacal opposition to") I would say it must have a plutonic influence, thus must relate to one's soul-level power and purity, and the attainment of such. The power of this star is huge, in both a physical and spiritual sense. I don't buy into the highly negative and subjective interpretations of fixed stars; you are likely most correct to interpret Antares for exactly what it truly is: the stellar emissary of Scorpio. You would also be best off to understand this high resonance of Scorpio as the eagle, not the scorpion or serpent which are the lower resonances of Scorpio.

The POF should be understood as a point of best balance between the Sun, Moon, and ascendant, a place where we are best able to fulfill our true selves and where we find the best balance within ourselves; hence we are able to find "fortune" in that place. The POF does not represent the "pot of gold" at the end of the rainbow (fortune in a material sense) but our inner spiritual fortune, where we can find the inner gifts and treasure we've inherited for this life.

Originally Posted by Martin Schulman

The Part of Fortune symbolizes that place in the horoscope through which the Sun, Moon, and Ascendant are in the best harmonic relationship to eachother and are easily expressed to the greatest advantage for the individual.

(from his writing "Joy And The Part of Fortune", one of my favorite works on the POF)

So then, with your POF on Antares, you should realize that you have chosen to incarnate with some of your most important and primary energies in good balance with Antares. The question now is, do you interpret this in a subjective, negative sense, and say that Antares casts some long dark plutonic shadow upon your existence, or do you instead decide that you have the inherent ability to balance the nature of, and reap rewards from, the energy of the celestial eagle, through it's integration into your being? As we know the victim mentality always brings pain and suffering, and that we have free will to take the higher or lower paths of all cosmic energies, I'd have to choose the later, personally.

I'd be happy to have my POF exactly conjunct one of the four archangels...

You have Pluto, Scorpio's planet, in a nice applying trine to your Moon, Pluto conjunct the midpoint of Antares-POF and your North Node, Unukalhai (the Serpent Bearer) in between your Mercury/Uranus conjunction, your real-sky Sun in Ophiuchus (the "Serpent Holder" aka the "13th constellation") and the Taurus/Scorpio axis intercepted across your 6th/12th houses (unless I have your chart wrong)... I think it's quite safe to say you have quite the focus on the Scorpion/Serpent/Eagle, possibly quite a bit more than you realize

[Yoi]

Originally Posted by unukalhai

So then, with your POF on Antares, you should realize that you have chosen to incarnate with some of your most important and primary energies in good balance with Antares. The question now is, do you interpret this in a subjective, negative sense, and say that Antares casts some long dark plutonic shadow upon your existence, or do you instead decide that you have the inherent ability to balance the nature of, and reap rewards from, the energy of the celestial eagle, through it's integration into your being? As we know the victim mentality always brings pain and suffering, and that we have free will to take the higher or lower paths of all cosmic energies, I'd have to choose the later, personally.

I'd be happy to have my POF exactly conjunct one of the four archangels...

You have Pluto, Scorpio's planet, in a nice applying trine to your Moon, Pluto conjunct the midpoint of Antares-POF and your North Node, Unukalhai (the Serpent Bearer) in between your Mercury/Uranus conjunction, your real-sky Sun in Ophiuchus (the "Serpent Holder" aka the "13th constellation") and the Taurus/Scorpio axis intercepted across your 6th/12th houses (unless I have your chart wrong)... I think it's quite safe to say you have quite the focus on the Scorpion/Serpent/Eagle, possibly quite a bit more than you realize

Thanks very much unukalhai for that analysis. I've always felt somewhat Scorpio despite having little overt Scorpio in my chart. Are midpoints really that important? I'd have to look more into them.

[unukalhai]

You're welcome

Midpoints that stand alone are not necessarily that important; but when midpoints at tight orbs (<1 degree) reinforce other similar factors in the chart, they really should be considered. I suppose this goes for anything in the chart; nothing can really be that powerful if it stands alone and doesn't fit into the holistic picture. No matter which logical techniques we use, when we start seeing something shown to us in multiple forms, it's not by chance...

The combination of aspects and midpoints is especially powerful, as midpoints also form the basis of symmetrical aspect patterns..

a) Yod: object opposes the midpoint of two other objects in sextile relationship
b) T-square: object sits at the midpoint of two objects in opposition
c) Grand cross: two oppositions have midpoints that square eachother
d) Kite: the midpoint of a trine falls on an opposition
e) Mystic Rectangle: two sextiles have midpoints that oppose eachother

My opinion is that aspects and midpoints, the two primary forms of mathematical geometry within the natal chart, form the most important analysis factors. They are undisputed by varying zodiacs or house systems, and work in a logical, analytical manner in combination with numerology and energy harmonics. If I was to throw away midpoint analysis, I certainly feel I would loose a significant piece of the puzzle.

Midpoints are something I started putting a lot of curiosity into based on event chart analysis; I kept seeing transiting midpoints playing strongly into the timing of event after event, which led me to start studying them in natal and national charts, which has also been quite interesting

[starlink]

Hi Unuk! I stumbled across this thread today because of a horary chart I was dissecting. What I actually wanted to know is which orb you use with these fixed stars. For instance, I have AGENA, 23°Scorpio 48' exactly conjunct my Jupiter at 23°Sc.48. But I then also have Unukalhai at 22°. Is that one also playing a role of influence on my Jupiter? And my Moon at 17°26 Scorpio is very near Serpentis at 19°, but nearer to the North scale at 19°20. So the one is totally malific, the other, just 20 minutes furtheron is great! I mean, really, how do you use these stars!! You seem to know a hell of a lot about that (and Midpoints which I have an aversion against because you cannot detect them easily by just looking at them, you always need a computer printout, so I dont use them YET. ). Could you shed some light on this please? Much appreciated.

[Zonark]

I also have Antares conjunct the Part of Fortune and this was a very helpful thread!

They both fall in the 11th house by the way. 11th house cusp in Sagittarius.