College for a Saturn Ninth House Person?

[luck]

I am a very intelligent person, so shitty public school is incredibly frustrating. Yet everything I attempt to do something to better my education, it is slapped down by fate.

I tried to go to a private school, but it was a long commute and that was the year that gas was four dollars a gallon so I only went for one year and left.

I tried to get into an early college program, but was not accepted. It certainly wasn't because of my academics; my working theory is that it was a program for people who would be too poor to afford college otherwise and since my family isn't dirt poor I wasn't accepted.

I've taken AP classes that if I scored high enough on the test it would give college credit, but I had a bevy of pregnant and/or incompetent teachers, but I pulled through on all but the math one.

I am entering a dual enrollment program (hs classes and college together) and I am looking at colleges. Can someone tell me how my Saturn in the 9th house will affect these things?

[kimbermoon]

Saturn in the 9th can be a hindrance to higher education especially as it concerns financial matters: the fact that Saturn was ill-configured with both the Sun and Moon at birth represents challenges for you because of imbalances between your outer plans to express your free will, and the needs of your inner psyche and plans of destiny. Your Gemini Sun has the energy to communicate and translate information, however Mercury there as well can suggest a mind that is too distracted for the routine and schedules of the educational system. Mercury is also squared to Saturn in your natal chart. Your mind is not as yet disciplined enough to take on the burden of regimented education. Your Cancer Moon has greater domestic needs that you have yet to realize.
The current transit of Saturn involves the 4th house, suggesting there are parental issues still to be worked out, or perhaps past emotional issues kept in check below the level of your consciousness. Further the Uranus/Neptune conjunct puts you in the generation of young people who are not especially given to fitting in with the system, as there are underlying desires for non-conformity and independence, perhaps to the extent of rebellion. If it is your desire to prove something to others by attaining a college degree, I would suggest you think it over again. Saturn in Pisces comes with a karmic energy relating to a psychic need for belonging; to feel part of something bigger than yourself.
Your path of destiny involves learning how to control your emotional reactions, which can otherwise lead you into power struggles or conflicts over control. At the same time you could excel at self-expression that is in some way creative, as well as innovative. Other transits of influence:
neptune opposing Mars: self-deception tendencies; over-exaggeration of the imagination; the potential for duplicity on your part, or betrayal and deception on the part of others.
Pluto in the 6th house opposing natal Moon: revisiting the past and letting go of repressed emotional baggage; moving away from the influence of the parents. I think you will find that the illusion of being an academic will likely fade in the coming years. I also see evidence of artistic talents or unexpressed creativity waiting behind the wings.

[luck]

kimbermoon, thanks so much for your enlightening reply.

Previously, I hadn't wanted to go to college and didn't believe people that it would be much different than all the **** I'm going through now, but I think that my family has converted me over to their opinion by now. However, my answer seems to be "I don't know" to everything. What kind of college I want to go to? I don't know. What do I want to major in? I don't know. What do I want my career to be? I don't know. I assume this is symptomatic of having Pisces on the 9th house cusp.

Going to college is my family's expectation, and I think I only went along with it because it's practically a requirement for getting any decent job nowadays. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't type of situation. If I don't go to college, I'm going to get stuck in a minimum wage job, if I can even find one, and the alternative is to spend four years and an exorbitant amount of money on a piece of paper that will probably prove useless in getting me a job either.

It's interesting you mentioned creativity because I stopped all of my artistic pursuits because they weren't giving me happiness. I had been writing and drawing but at one point I asked myself, "What's the point?" and just stopped. I haven't done anything for months and I don't really miss it.

I'm not feeling the Neptune opposing Mars, at least not consciously, but oh man, I'm feeling the Pluto-Moon opposition.

[kimbermoon]

consider this: how many college graduates with degrees are already working at minimum wage jobs...this is the way of the future for many years to come...perhaps reading the book, or watching the movie The Grapes of Wrath can give you some insight into what is quickly becoming a second Great Depression worldwide...can you see?

[luck]

Yes, I see, which was why I thought that college was utterly pointless, but I think that unless something physically stops me from going to college my family is going to expect that from me and will be....I don't know if "disappointed" would be the right word, but I'd never hear the end of it from my family.

[may28gemini]

[deleted personal attacking comments toward member's interpretation - Moderator] how many people out there who are 18-22 (college age) who want to rebel and leave school? the answer is ALL of them. higher education is an institution and all institutions are rigid and suffocating. anyone with gemini sun and mercury is going to challenge the education system, not to mention any system!

as if the world and history of humankind did not ever experience famine, poverty, death, disease, hunger, joblessness, lack of money, starvation. geezz... humans are resilient, the strong ones will find ways to survive. since when did higher education equate to higher earning prospects? only people who have self-entitled mentality think that way. historically, education was one of the major status symbols that dignified wealth and privilege, not the other away around. it's delusional to think that education can compound into more money- look at all the self made millionaires and billionaires who quit college! call me spartan but anyone who can't learn to survive on their own shouldn't take up space anyway. the world isn't fair, people get born into different families with different advantages and opportunities. so what. that's the way the world has always been. that's reality. the key is moving on and finding ways to survive.

luck, i wouldn't worry too much. you can leave school and go out and find work and see if it suits you. maybe your parents will give you a lot of grief, but let them. they are your parents and they care about you so they will always give you grief no matter how old you are. relationships between parents and their children won't change throughout history, parents will always be parents no matter how old you are.

although you have gemini mercury rx, you still have gemini mercury which i have no doubts makes you smart. unfortunately with the rx stuff in personal planets, it delays the planet's energy from fulfilling what it's suppose to in the sign's style. however, one of my friends is also a gemini with gemini mercury rx and she finished college when she was 32. so yes, it can happen! like i said, go try other things... you can always come back to college if you want/need to. doors don't always stay shut even if you close it.

i have a friend who has saturn (conj pluto) in the 9th and he's brilliant and became a lawyer and started practicing law by 23 years old. he's now 29. he had no issues going to school. he has gemini mercury and mars.

i have saturn square mercury and i graduated hs at 17, finished undergrads at 21 and my master's 23. i also have gemini mercury. i wasn't "immature," nor "couldn't handle it " when i was standing in front of the thesis defense board and they broke down my thesis and drilled me about it. if i had caved in, i wouldn't have passed with flying colors.

luck, it's good to learn about your chart so you can understand yourself a bit better but i would take everything with a grain of salt as far as the predictive stuff or even synastry stuff is concerned. there is free will and if you give into some astrological readings, you might as well throw in the towel and not bother to try. from one gemini to the next, don't fall into any feelings of helplessness and being trapped. it won't do you any good.

[Lin]

With Saturn in the 9th it is IMPERATIVE that you go to college.
Your experience will be vastly different from public school and school is ruled by the 3rd house and everything connected to it and college is all about the 9th.
You have Pluto trine Saturn and those 7th house sextiles to Saturn.
Don't let emotional impulse rule you in this matter.
Be an adult.
Focus on your future.
LIN

[luck]

Lin, would you mind elaborating why it would be imperative? All of my research has suggested that higher education would be difficult or delayed. I'm sorry, I just don't understand this placement.

[aquarius7000]

Hello,

You are a Cancer Asc, which, like Cap is often a late bloomer, or one that has to face obstacles in an otherwise mundane path. The house where Saturn sits is where one learns the most and can achieve the most, the condition of Saturn being, have I done everything in my power to make it happen. Saturn loves consistency and hard work, and, if the native does not do so on his own (esp in the area it is in), Sat often forces it to happen. This then often becomes the cause of delay, or for the obstacles one has to face. Saturn does not deny you the fruit, if you are not worried about working for it. In fact, what Saturn gives (position, good money, etc) usually is there to stay.

So, yes, you should certainly go ahead for (higher) college studies. Only, good results won't really fall in your lap, but can be achieved through labour. This is the lesson you have to learn. Saturn always teaches us lessons through making us work for it, one of the reasons it is called a Karma (deeds, action) planet.

By the way, you should use the potential of giving and receiving help from and opportunities through your peers/friends.

AQ7

[waybread]

You don't have to make this decision right away. Universities are full of students who have no idea why they are there beyond parental and peer expectations. If you are in the US, with its lengthy "liberal education" distribution requirements, you probably wouldn't have to declare a major till later in your second year. This might work out well for you, but many unmotivated students simply drop out. Oh, except that many of them still have student loans to pay back. If your parents can afford to pay the bills, it could be a waste of their money, till you sort things out.

There is no harm in waiting a year or two and gaining some life experience in the working world. Or if you don't need to support yourself, volunteer at something meaningful to you. Or travel.

More to the point, what do you see yourself doing as a lifelong career? A university is a reasonable place to make that decision based on your survey courses, but it can be an expensive one. Not to mention a lot of homework.

You have a really strong chart, with several planets domiciled in their own signs. Once you turn your mind towards what you want, you can be a real player.

Saturn in the 9th house isn't a school-killer on its own. But with that square to your moon and Mercury, the more personal planets, you may associate academics with stressful thoughts and feelings. Your 9th house, with Pisces on the cusp, is ruled by Jupiter (traditional) and Neptune (modern ruler.) Jupiter is very strong in its own sign of Sagittarius; and Neptune and your 9th house Saturn are in mutual reception. So these look good for academic work.

There are tons of jobs in the skilled trades that pay well and that don't require a college education. These might not appeal to your more intellectual frame of mind, but have you ever looked at how much a good Toyota mechanic or plubmer makes?

[astro11]

Luck,

Every placement has its higher and lower manifestations and it is up to you to decide which side you want to focus on. With Saturn your rewards are equal to your efforts, no more and no less. If you persist and overcome obstacles, Saturn will bring your due rewards. Saturn in the ninth house has the potential to give you the willingness and ability to be very hardworking, persistent and dedicated in higher studies. In my research and in my experience with clients, I have seen numerous people with Saturn in the ninth with professional degrees and research oriented Masters and Doctorates. Saturn gave them the ambition, endurance and work ethic needed to excel in these demanding programs. I'm not saying it was an easy road to success for every person but the fact is they all managed to graduate with these advanced degrees.

Perhaps the best example of a ninth house Saturn is Pope Benedict XVI. He has Saturn in Sagittarius in a 1 degree conjunction with the ninth house cusp, planets on cusps have added influence over the matters of the house. He has a doctorate in theology, was a university professor, held several high ranking positions in religious positions and has been serving as the Pope since 2005. His chart is at http://www.astro.com/astro-databank/Pope_Benedict_XVI