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07-18-2012, 09:58 PM
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The state of mind +horary?
Does your state of mind effect results? For example, if you're feeling particularly negative about a question your asking (let's say you ask the question "will me and my ex get back together"), if you're really uncertain and feeling negative and believe that the future is gloomy for the particular area you're asking about, will it then effect results/interpretations of results? I asked a question a few days ago, and the answer seemed to be a no, but at the time I was feeling quite down and depressed over the matter. I decided I'd try again when my mind was a little more clear, and the answer I got that time was unknown/maybe/ask later/etc. when I think of the topic, it feels uncertain but I feel like it is definitely possibly, which would make it a yes, but using horary I got a no/maybe.
I know that fear and anxiety comes from the ego, not the subconscious mind. Surely an accurate answer would be stimulated by the subconscious mind? What I mean is, wouldn't you get the urge to do a horary chart and ask a question at exactly the right time, when the planets are in exactly the right place to give you the answer you need. If the question is permanently on your mind, then surely no horary chart can be accurate?
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07-19-2012, 02:04 AM
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Re: The state of mind +horary?
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Does your state of mind effect results? ......What I mean is, wouldn't you get the urge to do a horary chart and ask a question at exactly the right time, when the planets are in exactly the right place to give you the answer you need. If the question is permanently on your mind, then surely no horary chart can be accurate?
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That is why horary has specific rules; so that there is an objective path to the answer rather than a subjective identification with whatever one wants to grab onto in the wheel that looks interesting.
Also, I tend to think that it is difficult for most people to read for themselves. I think having an outside objective insight is valuable because often we are too close to a personal matter to see it clearly or accurately or objectively.
Horary works best when you have a sincere desire to understand something of personal import, rather than a passing or idle curiosity. When a person has that sincerity, it often produces very clear charts as opposed to muddy or ambiguous charts that reflect the querent's less thoughtful intentions.
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07-19-2012, 02:13 AM
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Re: The state of mind +horary?
When a question is raised, mood and emotions be reflected in the chart. Now point is regarding reply...
Reply is always based on the intention of question. In depressed emotion, intention is different, rising sign will give us indication... if its a negative question or positive, similarly a question, "my father is sick...'
Intention is important..
a. how much time he will take for recovery
b. will he be ok
c. he will die or survive.
answer will depend on the intention of question.
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07-19-2012, 04:09 AM
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Re: The state of mind +horary?
In mantic forms of divination (Tarot, geomancy, I Ching, etc) the state of mind of the operator DOES usually make a difference in the outcome; however, when using the zodiac and planets and stars (horary), these are objective significators of Cosmic forces which are not being "touched" by the operator (like the tools of other forms of divination are actively touched by the operator during the divination), so the state of mind of the delineator (or querent) makes no difference regarding the component factors in the horary chart: HOWEVER, in DELINEATION of that chart, the person must be very clear-minded-and be free of prejudices regarding the indications: here of course, the state of mind OF THE DELINEATOR of that chart, makes a great deal of difference!
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07-19-2012, 08:29 AM
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Re: The state of mind +horary?
Thanks everyone for your replies.
dr. farr, the method I used to get an answer for this question was your "Magic 8 Ball" method. The question was concerning college. I looked for the 9th house, the 3rd house and ascendant. 9th house was in Capricorn, ruler in 6th, 3rd house Cancer, ruler in 1st, 1st house Gemini, ruler in 4th. Using only the magic 8 ball technique, do you think it could go either way or could it be seen as a definite no? The 2nd time I asked it involved two of the same signs, just switched places- Capricorn in 3rd (ruler 11th), Cancer in 9th (ruler 8th). And Scorpio was ASC (ruler 11th/2nd), not Gemini.
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07-19-2012, 08:38 AM
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Re: The state of mind +horary?
I assume you use whole sign for the 8 Ball (I cannot vouch for any other house system if using the 8 Ball) If the 9th whole sign house were Capricorn, then it would be a no answer to the question; however, if it were about success in college or in getting into college, then equally the Lot of Success could be considered as primary quesited: now if that Lot also gave the same answer as the sign on the 9th house, it would confirm the 9th house answer; however if the Lot were in a reverse answer sign (say a yes answer sign like Leo for example) then the Magic 8 Ball divination CANNOT BE APPLIED to this question (ie, two equal quesited's yielding opposite answers say that the 8 Ball cannot be valid/applied to the question at that time; this is the limitation of the 8 Ball divination method)
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07-19-2012, 08:46 AM
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Re: The state of mind +horary?
Using whole sign, it would make the 9th house be in Aquarius, so that's Saturn again using ancient rulers. Lot of Success is in Cancer, 2nd house (could this support a maybe?). 3rd house in whole sign is changed to Leo.
I asked one last time (I know it's most accurate when its the first time you've asked but since circumstances have improved since then I thought it could be worth asking just once more) and 9th house (whole sign) is in Taurus. Lot of Success Sagittarius. ASC Virgo.
Actually, the time I'm referring to as the first time I asked wasn't even the first time I asked that question. The first time I asked the question was before I knew how to create a horary chart. I posted the question with an incorrect chart. So, I've just taken the time and date when I posted the question, made a chart from it, and got Cancer on the 9th house cusp. Lot of success was in Sagittarius.
I also found a "Lot of Education" on this site: http://www.universalastrologer.com/lots.html the Lot was placed in Virgo. Along with the Lot of Higher Education being in Libra.
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07-20-2012, 02:31 AM
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Re: The state of mind +horary?
Specific Lots are often (but not always) preferable to generic house for determining significator. The Lot of Success in Cancer would = a maybe answer. The Lot of Success in Sagittarius = a yes answer; Lot of Education in Virgo = yes; Lot of Higher Education in Libra = a yes.
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