The Dark love of Scorpio

[scorpio176]

I have alot of scorpio in my chart and I admit I can be controlling at times but not as much in my relationships as with everything else. I'm actually quite open-minded in alot of relationships and not really jealous or possesive atleast no more than any other man. Actually my chart says that im into open relationships and stuff like that which I have been in. So saying that all scorpio people are one way wether they want to admit it is wrong but your entitled to your own opinion it doesn't bother me any if you want to stereotype people. I've met people that are manipulative and controlling/abusive from all different signs and most of them aren't scorpios. Just because a person has the potential to be one thing doesn't mean they are.

[Caro]

It is nice to explore all sides of a sign but one sign is not just one thing.
all signs have dark sides to ignore that is then to be in darkness yourself. They also have some good points too.

all language has a tone. language is about 30% what you say and 70% of how you say it. trouble on internet is we can not always pick up the tone.

I also have a mars in libra. interesting isnt it.

[wintersprite1]

A reminder to all, keep discussion flowing, and disagreeing is expected, but do not personally attack the messenger!

My son has a Scorpio Moon, and I can say what a grouch, but he is only one person in 7 billion or .000000000014285% of the population. That might be a blood sugar issue and not his Moon, cause he is fine after Ramen. So, thinking we really need more than a few interactions with family or friends to make a statement with any amount of certainty. The one other constant is our selves and may be it is something in our own chart that makes us view others in a particular way.

TK

[Judy_AzVirgo]

I suspect the title of the thread is a potential problem here.... "dark love"? What IS that, exactly? And why apply it only to Scorpio? This kind of thing just plays right into a stereotype.

Horrible people are born under ALL Sun signs, and it's necessary to recognize that they are expressing personal, individual problems, not characterizing roughly 1/12th of the world's population born under any one Sun.

Scorpio176 has said pretty much what I had on my mind while reading through some of these posts.

[Caro]

again it is back to the chart i have pluto in virgo so would imagine this calms the nature of my scorpio asc somewhat.

there is a an interesting discussion on another forum about the pluto generations. one likened it to Absolutely Fabulous sit com. Eddie and Patsy are pluto in leo, saffi the daughter is pluto in virgo - she doesnt drink, go out and looks after her mother. I can relate to that!

[Blackempress]

Originally Posted by Judy_AzVirgo

I suspect the title of the thread is a potential problem here.... "dark love"? What IS that, exactly? And why apply it only to Scorpio? This kind of thing just plays right into a stereotype.

It has nothing to do with a Sign or Sun Scorpio. The meaning of 'dark' here has been well interpreted by most- hidden, not just evil. But underneath some intense love-games lies alot of manipulation & 'darker' emotions of jealousy, power-play etc. Just wanted to test the depth of insight available on the basal level.

[Blackempress]

Originally Posted by Caro

again it is back to the chart i have pluto in virgo so would imagine this calms the nature of my scorpio asc somewhat.

there is a an interesting discussion on another forum about the pluto generations. one likened it to Absolutely Fabulous sit com. Eddie and Patsy are pluto in leo, saffi the daughter is pluto in virgo - she doesnt drink, go out and looks after her mother. I can relate to that!

Seems like gentleness took over!

[aquarius7000]

Hello,

I would also like to have my say in the matter (Leo Asc after all) .

Whilst I understand what Judy Az Virgo is trying to point out, perhaps the title in itself is not really misleading, as, just like with every sign, Scorpio too has its 'dark' sides. The down side of Sco energy is: being manipulative and calculating. But then don't we all have our down sides. The down side of the Aquarian energy is rebelliousness, even if sometimes it is just for the heck of it (hence senseless). I especially say 'energy' (and not sign), as no Sco Sun is just a Sco, but a lot more. That is the difference between 'Astrology' and Zodiac sign pastime.

One think I will tell you, what a person with alot of Sco energy in their chart wants to achieve, s/he will achieve that at (more or less) any cost.


AQ7

[Caro]

Originally Posted by scorpio176

I've met people that are manipulative and controlling/abusive from all different signs and most of them aren't scorpios. Just because a person has the potential to be one thing doesn't mean they are.

yes librans can be quite controlling a passive kinda of way.
pluto square sun - can want to control
also know of some with earth signs in 8th house who like the idea of mind games. got to see chart as a whole.

But scorpio will forever have this image it seems. The moment I say Im scorpio asc - people back away. quite fun really.

anyways folks lots of scorpio energies coming up in transits over next few weeks to months .then saturn moving into scorpio. so this will influence us all in one way or another.

[I cee]

Wooo, this thread is hotting up........like Hades!

When I think of Pluto/ scorpio, I think of one word and thats INTENSITY!
Intense love, intense hate, intense sexuallity or intense abstention from sexuallity, intense pride,intense loyaly, intense devotion, intense work, intense play, these guys can't do SURFACE stuff, they go deep and in my opinion, they HAVE to, they have to see the good and the ugly in life thats the type of sunglasses they have been given to view the world!

The word 'dark' can invoke in western culture something that is BAD, but if you see that dark is the other side of light.....the two go hand in hand!

I feel scorpio/pluto types have to learn this in everything they do, for those that don't except this facet of themselves, they may project it or will it on to others, which is where the manipulation and mind games become so apparent with this sign and planet.

When something is suppressed because one thinks its 'dark' and ugly, its then an energy unchecked and it's then that this sign/planet gets its bad reputation and causes havoc.

I know, I have mother with an untamed, unchecked scorpio moon!

But for the ones who recognise the vitality and the power this energy can channel productively and creatively.......... it is strong and beautiful.

But like others have said there are the shadow/dark sides to all the signs, but of course show in a different way!
This is just my opinion, I'm a 'dark' saggie

[aquarius7000]

Hello,

Originally Posted by Caro

yes librans can be quite controlling a passive kinda of way....

Please don't mind my using this quote to make a point I want to make. When we say, we know an Aquarian that is not rebellious at all, then that is often because that Aquarian is most likely to have (personal) planets (which are often not too far from the Sun, like Mer/Ven) in the neighbouring signs of Pisces or Cap, which are quite the opposite of Aquarius. Hence, the so called Aquarius person might be a bit more subdued than we expect.

Librans (Lib Suns) will similarly also have planets in Sco, in most cases.

Often a person with a particular 'Sun' sign does not seem to 'live up' to the attributes of their zodiac, as personal planets, sometimes even the Moon, in neighbouring signs (which are opposite in nature), balance the effect out. Of course, then there is also things like aspects to the outer planets and Sat, etc, which colour the lights further.

AQ7

[Caro]

libran's - the ones I was referring too dont have any scorpio at all!
(virgo and leo planets ) .

so to reiterate the point made above different signs have different means of controlling. controlling through others.

ICEE - have you checked out your vedic chart? maybe you are sun scorpio?.

[I cee]

Originally Posted by Caro

libran's - the ones I was referring too dont have any scorpio at all!
(virgo and leo planets ) .

so to reiterate the point made above different signs have different means of controlling. controlling through others.

ICEE - have you checked out your vedic chart? maybe you are sun scorpio?.

Actually I am very interested in vedic astrology, but have not indulged in it yet!
But I would love my chart to be scrutinised by a vedic astrolger
Do you 'indulge' ??
I know I am very Pluto! The good, the bad, and the ugly!

[Caro]

I think there is a wave of Vedic interest growing on this site.
So maybe worth posting in that section.

the only way I understand to two charts is the vedic is the inner you. but the western chart the outer you.

in the vedic I have know scorpio at all . Which doesnt ring with how how people generally describe me.

Im really feeling the energies shift at the moment. mars moves to scorpio soon.

I did start a thread a while ago on the mars in virgo transit cos it was sooooo long. but in comparison the mars in scorpio will be short but lets see what happens!

[I cee]

Originally Posted by Caro

I think there is a wave of Vedic interest growing on this site.
So maybe worth posting in that section.

the only way I understand to two charts is the vedic is the inner you. but the western chart the outer you.

in the vedic I have know scorpio at all . Which doesnt ring with how how people generally describe me.

Im really feeling the energies shift at the moment. mars moves to scorpio soon.

I did start a thread a while ago on the mars in virgo transit cos it was sooooo long. but in comparison the mars in scorpio will be short but lets see what happens!

Yes,.....you can definitely feel the new energies coming in!
I might dare put my chart up for scrutiny, but the trouble is, I'm not sure I would understand the interpretation given!

[Blackempress]

Found a link on Scorpion emotions:

http://lifewisdomcorner.com/wordpres...ems-otherwise/

[Dunbar]

Originally Posted by may28gemini

I'm sure Scorpio added in the phrase "until death do us part" in wedding vows.

LOL! My sister is a Scorpio, this is so true.

[Fifth House Sun]

because some scorpio's desires are insatiable.

they do not care who the hurt they get self gratification quickly and without end. the one the sticks in my mind was honest though. so can't really complain about that.

[rahul_rastogy]

Jealousy and possessiveness become unacceptable when it gets out of hand and begins to consume the relationship. It's natural to be envious of another woman’s attractiveness or fit body or your neighbor’s state-of-the-art car or high flying career. Your partner gets unreasonably angry if you even so much as glance at another member of the opposite sex, forget actually admire them. And even if, through no fault of your own except your God-given looks, you attract an admiring gaze, all hell breaks loose.


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[I cee]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQKau...e_gdata_player

[zona967]

I have a triple Scorpio conjunction in the 7th house.

Of course, the houses matter a lot. A 10th house placement would be all career-oriented where they would probably seek a managerial position and/or deal with finances. They wouldn't be very likely to 'take the Scorpio out' on their long-term partners (7th house), short-term romantic partners (5th house) or their family members (4th house). So when arguing over how people manage their stelliums it obviously is of importance where they take that energy out (the house). "My Scorpio stellium father is a controlling prick" (where does that stellium fall?) and "my 10th house Scorpio stellium hubby is a sweetheart" obviously are two separate things astrology-wise, still not moving on to mention the level to which they've mastered their Scorpio energy at all. 12 house cusps and 12 spheres of our pesonality, a 4th house Taurus can be quite peaceful and sensual at home and assuming his 7th house is in Leo he can be quite generous to his partners.

The chart is about us not about the people we get involved with, we can choose to put any planet in interaction, we can project it or we can own it completely (Moon can cook and deal with antiques, Venus can be into art, neither of them needs to be expressed in interaction with other people necessarily). Even a strong 7th house can be played out in a number of ways insofar as there's a certain "mirror" present (dealing with the public, keeping a diary, etc).

Accusing someone of behaving in a certain way in relationships (one of the many facets of Venus and partly the Moon, partly the 7th house although all these can be played out in different ways) because of a certain sign alone makes no sense whatsoever. But seeing a person is lost and confused about the ways to utilise their energy by taking a look at their charts we can always offer suggestions. A person who is too enmeshed in relationships might do well to step aside and look for alternative ways to express that energy (and usually there are plenty). In this way they will grow themselves, feel better about themselves and thus attract healthier partners as well.

Obviously each type of energy (signified by the 12 zodiac signs) can be misused (what becomes known as the 'dark' side of the sign, there is no 'darkness', there is misuse). That's why you have religion, for example, to give people ways in which to monitor their own conduct so that misuse does not occur. In general anything done for personal gain represents misuse (this is a superior power, it cannot be used for personal benefit, it's like using lightning bolts to illuminate your own house), that's not "for" you, it flows "through" you.

Misuse of Aries energy would be to dominate and agress into other people's territory too much, misuse of Taurus energy would be to cling to what is own and refuse to share, misuse of Gemini energy would be to use mental constructs to create a reality that suits them personally at the expense of other people, misuse of Cancer energy would be forcing emotion (cardinal water) onto other people, misuse of Leo enegy would be self-centeredness, misuse of Virgo energy would be nitpickiness, misuse of Libra energy would be co-dependency, misuse of Scorpio energy would be to transform with the intention to enslave, misuse of Sag energy would be to preach, misuse of Capricorn energy would be to create too rigid a structure, misuse of Aquarius energy would be to disobey for the sake of disobeying, misuse of Pisces energy would be to empathise with others with the intent to gain something in return, just to name a few.

In no way is Scopio or will Scorpio ever be worse and more harmful than the rest. If someone thinks that getting slapped is worse treatment than being subtly manipulated, that's their own problem and almost total lack of self-awareness. Actually, physical violence is used by people who are very weak and powerless, otherwise they wouldn't use it in the first place. Weak and powerless people cannot do much harm to your psyche. Subtle manipulation would be a lot harder to detect and the effect on your psyche a lot more harmful and long-lasting. God have pity on the souls of people who claim they've had "wonderful childhood", if they really think that, that just shows the level to which they have been controlled at that time and their complete oblivion to what was going on around them.

Scorpio's sexiness usually stems from bottled up emotions, anything bottled up is steamy and hot. Steamy and hot means it can erupt at any point. It is playing with fire and people usually have enough common sense to realise that when you play with fire you might get burned. "But they only want to have sex with me," some Scorpio people cry. Yes, exactly, because high intensity is interesting for short periods of time. People know that and that's why most wouldn't pick a person with strong Scorpio for a long-term partner unless the latter channels the energy elsewhere or is working on transforming themselves. I agree the main principle might be "intensity", the sign is fixed water (concentrated emotion).

The way people experience Scorpio energy in the beginning does point to jealousy, insecurity and vengefulness. There's no point going "I'm so cool because I am so dark and I find funerals sexy" unless the person admits they are also jealous, insecure, vengeful and possessive and that's not "cool". Negative identity is better than no identity so people will stick with it and go "heeey, I'm so dark, extreme and intense 'cause I have all that". No, you're not "cool", you're hurting yourself and others. So I think the fine line here is between gaining identity from this dark "cool" stuff versus the actual effort to transform it. Healing self also gives the power to heal others. Is healing others "cool"? The person has to decide for themselves.

Still sex at a graveyard doesn't sound like a bad idea. I know you Scorpio people agree, come on, don't lie.

[Shadowflash]

Beautiful post, thank you! (Scorpy stellium in 4th...

[Caro]

Originally Posted by zona967

Still sex at a graveyard doesn't sound like a bad idea. I know you Scorpio people agree, come on, don't lie.

what is this about and I know of two people who lost their virginity in a graveyard!!! ha ha.

why did they think I wanted to know.

Im scorpio rising and seem to attract people who pour out their souls to me. I get a huge variety of things said about me. Neptune in scorpio too. the thing is not to believe any of it.

I liked your post it was hmm err very balanced! ha ha could that be all those planets in a libra house?!

[Edwotica]

There is a definite darkness to Scorpio though, as darkness isn't bad or good, but rather a passion, an aura. I think we say darkness as in a sort of taboo, like posted previously, an emotion or intention that remains bottled underneath the surface. I have Scorpio Moon conjunct Venus, conjunct my Libra AC, so I seem to attract/seek out other independents who manifest this Scorpionic passion. It's incredible, and it witness in action is like being part of a sinister play, where good and bad cease to exist, replaced by pure wit, sarcasm, and creativity. Obviously, the unhealthy or unconscious aspect to Scorpio is prevalent in many with this sign, but like you guys are saying, that sort of darkness can be found anywhere. I see it within myself when I respond instinctively to people with pure, uncanny sarcasm, which stirs sick laughter in those Scorpios that seem to know me best muwahaha! But seriously, I can be kind of mean. As Scorpio rules the 8th house, it's passion stems from co-creation, whether in the bedroom, at a funeral, or during a jam session. I think those signs Libra onward all seem to hold onto a bit of that You & I dynamic, but Scorpio seems to twist it in such a weird and sexy way.

[zona967]

Originally Posted by Caro

Im scorpio rising and seem to attract people who pour out their souls to me.

Yeah, they say your rising sign provokes the people you get in contact with to express those charteristics themselves. I am extremely honest around Sag rising and feel like having fun around Leo rising people.

Originally Posted by Caro

I liked your post it was hmm err very balanced! ha ha could that be all those planets in a libra house?!

Yes, balanced to the point of inner contradictions I suppose but oh well, always trying to see both sides.

Originally Posted by Edwotica

replaced by pure wit, sarcasm, and creativity.

A.k.a. take that concentrated emotion and let's see what you do with it, ha ha.