A wild Chart appears!

[Silversong]

Hello everybody! ("Hi Dr. Nick!" Jeez, I don't even remember what that is *from*! )

I have collected what feels like a ton of articles about the planets-in-sign and different aspects in my chart (but not much else since I don't know my houses yet), and I haven't really made much of them so far. Little by little the descriptions of things have begun to stick (which makes me feel like I can talk about them a bit! Yay! ), but I could really use some help creating a better picture of what my chart says about me.

EDIT: I now have my rectified chart! It's here and down-thread a bit.

[gen6k]

hi. do you know your exact birthday, houses, asc, midheaven are going to be off if you dont'

[Silversong]

Hello! Do you mean my birth time? I know my b-day, I just got used to hiding it in the chart pic. I can get a new one that shows it- I'm just kind of awkward about showing my birth place. I'll put it up in a few!

(Full Disclosure: I have a birth certificate, but the time on it is really off (Especially compared to my parents' approximations), which is why I am getting a rectification.)

[Sentient0ne]

you don't ever have to disclose your birthplace if you're uncomfy with it

[Silversong]

Thanks!

I edited my original chart pic, but I don't think it's obvious that I changed anything- so I just wanted to say that it shows my birthday now.

[Sentient0ne]

That's bizarre about the birth time being off on your birth certificate. What does it show for an Ascendant?

[Silversong]

The time on it would have given me a late Sagittarius Ascendant. When I first started trying to learn about the planets and signs through looking at my chart, I picked up lots of online articles about it. What I read didn't really fit (especially about being really outgoing and adventurous) me much. I also couldn't relate to having Uranus and Neptune in my 1st house, but since I believed that it was right, I tried to find more evidence that Sagittarius was in fact my rising sign.

Over time I asked my parents about my birthday and the time my Mom said I was born would give me Libra Rising!
While that fit better than Sagittarius, Libra doesn't fit me well enough overall to just accept it. (while I do enjoy hanging out with friends, I'm hardly the social butterfly sophisticate, as far as I can tell) That's why I decided to get help with a rectification.

[gen6k]

well the kite shape with the Uranus/Neptune apex and mars and chiron at the other side means that you can create a matrix of intense/emotional creative energy if you had just a bit more confidence in the reaching of conclusion with your assertive self.

the sun opposition pluto opposition is tigther than the kite opposition and it runs through it diagonally. sun opposition pluto is like a paradoxical crevice of fortitude and ego-insanity.

the other hard area through the kite energy is mercury at a square instead of easy aspect shape with the same kite uranus/neptune mars/chiron opposition.

so overall its probably better to lead with your sun than your mercury, but that can also be a source of inspiration.

your mars to sun to moon to neptune trine shape is really nice these important planets are in alignment.

the neurosis comes from logical breaks and spurts of energy in self-effacing directions.

[Sentient0ne]

I have a Sag rising. It manifests itself in ways that may not be so obvious at this point in your life. Other factors in the chart may make it less apparent as well.

[Silversong]

Thanks gen6k! I've been thinking about your interpretations and I have a few responses:

Originally Posted by gen6k

well the kite shape with the Uranus/Neptune apex and mars and chiron at the other side means that you can create a matrix of intense/emotional creative energy if you had just a bit more confidence in the reaching of conclusion with your assertive self.

Wow, that sounds awesome. Lacking confidence and self-esteem have been pretty big thorns in my side for most of my life. (Does my Chiron show that?) When I was younger, I wanted so bad to be the 'well-rounded, good-at-everything kid' (especially because I'd always been fascinated with music and art), but I made myself give up on all of it and focus in on my studies. As such, I basically had no sustained creative outlets at all for a good portion of my life. Even now, I don't really create much. The idea that I could channel lots of creative energy sounds awesome and a bit intimidating.

Originally Posted by gen6k

the sun opposition pluto opposition is tigther than the kite opposition and it runs through it diagonally. sun opposition pluto is like a paradoxical crevice of fortitude and ego-insanity.

I've especially tried to make sense of this opposition, but I've had trouble since I don't feel like I'm that in touch with my Sun's energy and Pluto is so distant. I'm trying to get there, though. Does "ego-insanity" mean something like becoming self-obsessed in a self-destructive way? Scary...

Originally Posted by gen6k

the other hard area through the kite energy is mercury at a square instead of easy aspect shape with the same kite uranus/neptune mars/chiron opposition.

Yes, I have a whole 'nother issue with figuring out the ways to work with my Mercury, stressed as it is.

Originally Posted by gen6k

so overall its probably better to lead with your sun than your mercury, but that can also be a source of inspiration.

Do you mean that, if I could find a resolution of all of those squares, my Mercury's energy could increase my creativity? That would be wonderful! It's hard to imagine knowing what to do with it, though (I pretty much have no direction). I would also like to lead with my sun (though I thought that was essentially how the sun functions in one's chart?). Do I need to work that out in my own way? I mean, I know that my chart is not predictive, but if I wanted to make the most of the energies as they are, is that an answer I need to figure out myself? Even as I ask, I suspect it might be.

Originally Posted by gen6k

your mars to sun to moon to neptune trine shape is really nice these important planets are in alignment.

Ooh! That's interesting. Do you mean the trines that cross and all the sextiles that make a trapezoid? I didn't know that the shape was important, especially since I haven't really been using the potential energy there. Since I'd read that sextiles need work to be beneficial (instead of just untapped), I'd kind of given up on them... I guess that might also be why I don't identify with a lot of aspects I have, they require more energy than I've given them.

Originally Posted by gen6k

the neurosis comes from logical breaks and spurts of energy in self-effacing directions.

What aspects of mine show neurosis? That self-effacing part sounds about right.

[Silversong]

Wow, Sentient0ne!
About it manifesting in less-than-obvious ways, what do you mean? It's been a while since I had read up on Sagittarius rising- are you referring to progressions or more like how a person grows into themselves as they get older?
And yea, even with Jupiter in Leo, I guess there could be other aspects in my chart that, combined, could over-shadow a Sagittarius rising. The thing is, I wouldn't be able to rest until I had an unequivocal answer. As soon as the seed of doubt was planted, I knew that I would have to ask for help to know for sure. It would be very interesting if I was Sagittarius rising after all, though.

[Sentient0ne]

You have a lot going on in your chart that would overshadow a single factor like a Sag rising. You have a Kite configuration, which by itself, can become self contained and not allow the rest of the chart to manifest itself. But you also have a T Square that interacts with the kite to give it an outlet for that energy. You also have a powerful Sun opp Pluto aspects, a very close Saturn opp Jupiter, which lies outside both the Kite and T squares.

As a Sag rising, I come across to others as someone who likes to have fun, the clown/joker at times, the grass is always greener on the other side. That is my mask that I wear when I'm uncomfortable.....always joking my way out of a situation intead of dealing with it.

A Sag rising may give you a 5th house sun, like myself. That gives our sun energy a creative outlet, the Leonine center stage thrill. I am not normally all that outgoing, but I do like to be the limelight :P

Good luck with discovering yourself.

[Silversong]

Ooh, you're right. I keep trying to focus in on individual aspects (because it's so much to take in if I don't), but I really do have a lot going on in my chart.

I'm awkward and shy and I prefer to keep to myself when I am out and about. When I at first interact with someone, I am really polite and try to be really gentle, but at the same time I'm totally shy...

I kind of like to have attention too, though, when I feel confident about something. So yea, when I am feeling kind of fly, I'd like to get some shine.

Thanks so much! I feel like I haven't even like, gotten the right tools to begin scratching the surface of my chart (I'm totally going to dance when I find out my rising sign! ), and I am so sure that this will be a very long journey!

[StillOne]

You should definitely get your birthtime as accurate as possible since I'm seeing two kites and one mystic rectangle in your chart at the moment... However, if that moon moves too much it will cancel out everything... So having an accurate birthtime is essential!

[Silversong]

You're totally right, StillOne!

I'd sought help from Kannon and he rectified my chart!! It's so awesome to finally have this answer! (Thanks Kannon!)

And the difference certainly changed a few things in my chart. I'll put it here and edit my first post.

It's so cool to know for sure now!!!

[StillOne]

Well that changed some things! Glad you got it rectified. You have a water grand trine, a mystic rectangle, and a t-square in your chart as far as aspect patterns are concerned. You may want to search this forum and the internet for more information about these structures since they tend to be important. However, if you're newer to astrology, don't neglect learning about the planets in houses and signs as well as the aspects between them.
Good luck in your search!

[Silversong]

Thank you again, StillOne! I'd been looking for info on those chart shapes... I haven't found that much yet (but maybe I need more specific info about how each of the planets involved are affected? ), but I'll keep looking. Not to mention all the studying to do now knowing my correct chart!


I also have a few questions:

Can I count the Trines between my Sun, Uranus and Neptune, and MC as an Earth Grand Trine? I'm unsure about how much the angle points count when looking at aspect shapes.

Should I pay special attention to Mercury Retrogrades since my MC is in Virgo? Ever since I'd first read up on it, I kind of found myself freaked out about it and it recently occurred to me that my MC could have something to do with that...

How can I use my Mercury energy in a creative, self-expressive (5th house) way, when I am actually really awkward about communicating and generally shy? I mean, is there a clue in my chart about how I can reconcile my Mercury square Chiron (or whichever aspects that might affect this part of me)? Or... can anyone give me more general advice about this aspect?

[Silversong]

Hello out there! Can anyone please help me out?

[Silversong]

....Uh, maybe I need to ask more specific questions?

I wanted to talk about these issues from a previous post:

"Should I pay special attention to Mercury Retrogrades since my MC is in Virgo? Ever since I'd first read up on it, I kind of found myself freaked out about it and it recently occurred to me that my MC could have something to do with that...

"How can I use my Mercury energy in a creative, self-expressive (5th house) way, when I am actually really awkward about communicating and generally shy? I mean, is there a clue in my chart about how I can reconcile my Mercury square Chiron (or whichever aspects that might affect this part of me)? Or... can anyone give me more general advice about this aspect?"

But now I wonder if there is something else I should ask about. I've collected info about my planets in their signs and houses, but I am often so overwhelmed by all the information that I don't even know what I should ask about most of the time.

I don't know... could someone please talk to me about my chart? I am pretty scattered about it. Maybe there's something that I should focus in on first?