planetary placements that point to astrology profession

[hvnlystarz]

good morning! i have been trying quite unsuccessfully to find out what planetary aspects would lend themselves to a person being a professional astrologer. i am aware that uranus/aquarius and neptune/pisces rule astrolgy and astrologers. but in 'the rulership book' by rex e. bills it also points to the 7th house. i thought the 8th or 12th would be more like it- but i guess not...?

i am trying to figure out my lifepath and am bouncing back and forth between astrologer and clinical psychologist. i actually know i want to do both- but i have to pursue one first. i am unsure of which to do right now. i am in school for psych (finishing undergrad) and have been accepted to a doctorate program this fall. i love psychology- but during my free time i am constantly studying astrology- and it seems to feed me in a deeper way that psychology doesn't get to (although that may just be because i am in generalized psych undergrad right now and not focused in graduate work).

i will include my chart in case anyone wants to give their two cents.

do you know of common placements and aspects that professional, well known astrologers have? that might be helpful information

thanks!

~hvnlystarz

[Shining Ray]

According to Carter for Interest in Astrology - " Uranus is traditionally the astrological planet, and this is probably correct, at least as regards the deeper aspects of the science. At the same time prominent astrologers have not always had this planet pronouncedly strong in their nativities, and the excessive conservatism and love of traditional authority that has characterised almost all astrological students up to the very recent times-and many even now-hardly point to Uranian ruler ship. Saturn has much to do with astrology students. Further as in all branches of knowledge, the mental planets Mercury and Jupiter are important, and several notable astrologers are born under Gemini and Sagittarius. Leo, Virgo, Libra, and Scorpio are also common ascendants.

The special zodiac areas associated with astrology are beyond question around 27 Leo-Aquarius and 11 Virgo-Pisces.

Referring to the nativities of notable students we find, Alan Leo has Saturn in 27 Leo, and Kymry in 24 Leo. Lilly had Neptune in 29 Leo H.S Green his Asc and Ralph Shirley his in 27 Leo. The Sun is often in aspect to Neptune. It has been observed that Mercury in Aries and Moon in Pisces have more than double the expectancy for astrology students.

This is what Carter has to say on the subject, I have my Saturn at 10 degrees Virgo, which is nearer 11 degrees, I have a Virgo Asc, my Mars is at 29 Aquarius and I have Moon in Pisces, my Saturn is prominent in my chart. Carter's theory must be right . Since I am a professional Astrologer ha ha just kidding I can't read a chart to save my life . Although I am seriously addicted to the subject.

From a quick look at your chart you have Saturn prominant at the Astrology Degree. Moon in Pisces. For your Psychology interest Pluto in the 7th conjunct the 8th house cusp and square to mercury is a great aspect to have for a Psychologist. It's up to you what you want to do but there are courses now for students to learn Psychological Astrology. Maybe you could learn Psychology and study Astrology on the side and then if you want combine the both later.

[Arian Maverick]

It has been observed that Mercury in Aries and Moon in Pisces have more than double the expectancy for astrology students.

Gah, I've always known I should have been born a day before when the Sun-Mercury-Venus conjunction was exact--I would have had a Pisces Moon as well!

At least I have a culminating Uranus...

Arian Maverick

P.S. I know we've had thread like this one before, so it may be helpful to search the forums.

[IntoAstro]

Carl Jung said “A therapist without astrology is like a sailor without a compass.”

It seems that you can still be studying astrology on the side and incorporating it while you finish up your psychology studies. Unless you are planning to attend Kepler University for astrology?

If you want to enter a grad program for astrology and consciousness after you finish with psychology, I recommend CIIS in San Francisco. Rick Tarnas has an amazing program, I know some really good psychologists who incorporate astrology into their practice who came out of that program.

Kepler, from what I've seen, just drains the magic out of life, creating fairly good astrologers who are completely caught in their intellect and I find that in order to help people one must be balanced between the heart and mind which your chart has many significations for.

Anyway, I normally look to planets in or ruling the 9th, Mercury's aspects to Jupiter/Neptune and ruler of 9th, Asc, and MC. Mercury rules the ruler of your 9th (Mars) and for you Jupiter rules both the Asc and MC (classically), and is conjunct Mercury. I also look to planets in the 10th, where you have Neptune. Although Neptune doesn't aspect Mercury, they are in signs that share the same ascensional times which is considered a sort of reluctant conjunction causing the two planets to be forced to speak to each other.

Mars on the descendant could play nicely into it if it manifests in the higher aspects, in that it can give you the ability to call people out on the things they deny, but opposite Moon on your ascendant, as a psychologist or astrologer, you will have to be careful of taking things personally and creating unneccessary conflicts. Since your Moon is in Pisces, you probably have less to worry about with this, especially because Mars and Mercury both lead back to the Moon-Jupiter reception.

[Sag Moon]

The 4th-8th-12th are considered the psychic houses and the water signs contribute to that ability.

The 9th and 11th Houses I would think needed to be highlighted in some form for an astrologer.The 7th goes without saying.

For astrology having Uranus strong with the Sun\Moon and\or Mecury aspecting would need to contribute as you would be interacting with the public.

The sign Axis of Leo\Aquarius would need to be considered. While the Degrees are good to have as another pointed out they are not a yes or no issue. Another axis would be the Virgo\Pisces that help with serving and intuitive ability when dealing with those you give service to.Not every astrologer has them. I just I'd mention that as it might discourage anyone from practicing the art if they have the ability to do so.

The Ascendant and MC are always going to be focal points as to vocation.

There are those that astrology comes natural and others that make it the life long aid in order to keepp tabs on the universe and how one progresses through lifes events. I am of that group. It also pays to study a long time in order to become good at what it is saying to the client. My first astrologer was a Psycology Major ,but he did not have the experience to really be an astrologer at that time IMO. He also dabbld into Tarot and I-Ching which I have also,but always come back to astrology.

I have a few more years of study before feeling secure in my chart reading ability. I want to be a different kind of astrologer then most.

Read what I had said and then ask yourself do you apply?

[wilsontc]

hvnlystarz,

You said:

...am bouncing back and forth between astrologer and clinical psychologist...i have to pursue one first. i am unsure of which to do right now. i am in school for psych (finishing undergrad) and have been accepted to a doctorate program this fall. i love psychology- but during my free time i am constantly studying astrology

Why do you have to "pursue one"? Why not continue what you are doing? Let your psychology improve through astrology and your astrology improve through psychology. Keep pursuing your psychology with astrology on the side and, if you get serious about combining them, take a look at the Centre for Psychological Astrology as a possible starting point:
http://www.cpalondon.com/centre/criteria.html

Taught by Liz Greene, this was one of the first formal institutions to combine psychology and astrology and probably one of the best known. And if you want to get a head start on your studies, pick up the 4 volumes of her Seminars in Psychological Astrology:
http://www.geocities.com/wilsontctc/Author_list.htm

Opening up to possibilities,

Tim

[hvnlystarz]

hello everyone! wow- thanks for all the feedback! that was quick! i will respond to everyone:

shiningray- thanks for that input about the critical degrees for astrology. i never knew there were such things. is this 'carter for interest in astrology' a book? i have not heard of it. if it is a site could you point me towards it? i am indeed interested in psychological astrology. i do want to integrate both. i am just trying to decide which to pursue first. one of the reasons i am saying either/or for right now is the fact that i am also thinking i might want to have kids before i go to grad school. i have another post on this that you can find under my name if you want to know the details. for me i can only study one seriously now. but i definitely want to integrate both.

intoastro- how synchronistic that you mention CIIS- as that is the school i have been accepted to for my doctorate program! i am not aware of a grad degree in astrology that is offered there though. i know they have classes- but not a comprehensive degree. i have been looking at the school of astropsychology for that. are you familiar with it? thank you for your take on my placements and their relation to astrology and psychology. you pointed out some things i have not noticed- so i will look into them more

sagmoon- thanks for you pointers as well. i have a strong emphasis on water signs/houses. in placidus i have sun in 4th and uranus in 8th- and in equal i have uranus in 9th. i also have uranus trine mercury which is conjunct jupiter. and i have the pisces/virgo axis (asc/desc). and neptune is conjunct my MC while moon is conjuct my ascendant- and they both are in mutual reception (based on traditional ruler- or in triple reception (is that an astrology term?) with moon/jupiter/neptune). i think i am like you- studying my brain out with astrology- but not feeling solid enough to read charts. it is definitely my passion though- i have about 60 astrology books, professional software, and i have been to the ISAR conference (one of the BEST times of my life!!!). are you studying with anyone or on your own? i would like to find someone to apprentice to here in s.f. that would be nice

wilsontc- thank you for your input as well! as you may have read above- i do want to pursue both. i just can intensively pursue both at the same time. i LOVE liz greene and i have all her books i have read the seminars in psychological astrology. i would so love to go attend the centre- but i don't feel the pull to move to london. i am looking into the school of astropsychology here in s.f. do you know anything about it?

well thanks you guys! you all provided me with a lot of information i can look over. i appreciate you all taking the time

i hope you have a great weekend!

~hvnlystarz

[wilsontc]

hvnlystarz,

You said:

...studying my brain out with astrology- but not feeling solid enough to read charts...

If you have not yet tried interpreting other people's charts on line, now is the time to do it. You KNOW enough astrology, now you have to put that theory into use and help other people with your understanding. And, believe me, it's a GREAT way to learn! You know how teachers take FOREVER to give you your results back? Not online! If your interpretations are off or don't make sense to the person you get INSTANT feedback! So, if you haven't begun offering your two cents on line, dive in, the water's fine!

And if you HAVE been doing chart interpretation online...you are ALREADY a chart reader! Now it's time to get some money for it...if that's what you want!

Encouraging astrological development,

Tim

[Sag Moon]

Hvn
I have studied since I was 16 off & on and have read most everything I could lay my hands on over the years.

The thing that is most challenging is that you must intergrate everything you see into a reading which is almost totally impossible ,but we try. I always look at a chart and see I forgot something to tell the person. I can now look at a chart from birth and see it unfold knowing through progresssions and solar arcs how the individual might be effected.

The start though is the birthchart which is the roadmap.

You need to look at the chart as a whole rather than specific aspects that you see. It is called wholistic astrology. Few really master the art.

It takes time and maturity I think to master astrology .Then again there are those that just can do it without the time involved in massive study.

[IntoAstro]

Originally Posted by hvnlystarz

intoastro- how synchronistic that you mention CIIS- as that is the school i have been accepted to for my doctorate program! i am not aware of a grad degree in astrology that is offered there though. i know they have classes- but not a comprehensive degree. i have been looking at the school of astropsychology for that. are you familiar with it? thank you for your take on my placements and their relation to astrology and psychology. you pointed out some things i have not noticed- so i will look into them more

Hi hvnlystarz,

I'm fairly certain that Rick Tarnas's astrology courses are integral to the Philosophy, Cosmology, and Consciousness program at CIIS.

[Shining Ray]

Hi Hvnlystrz

The book is by C.E.O Carter "The Encyclopedia of Psychological Astrology" it has all different Astrology health and personality indicators in there, from alcoholism, suicide, depression, heart problems, kidney problems, hearing problems, writing ability, acting ability, insanity, indications for people prone to cheating. It is an interesting little book to read, you will find yourself comparing your chart to all the character traits. You have a lot of books, I can see how seriously you take this subject. In time you will gain the confidence to read charts and you have the advantage of psychology to combine with your astrology. I have one child and I have to fit my Astrology in between looking after him. Most evenings I am constantly reading Astrology books. It is hard sometimes and frustrating trying to fit in my Astrology around my child and partner. I try to grab at least two -three hours study a day. Sometimes I can be too tired to read and once the baby has gone to bed I try to read and have fallen asleep after only reading a couple of pages. It takes a lot of dedication, but I am fascinated with the subject and this drives me on to keep learning. I find the most frustrating thing in life is trying to fit everything in being there for your family and having your own interests and goals you want to pursue. Do what feels right for you, what you would be most happy doing.

Good luck for the future