Anybody who can give me hope???

[wethr70]

Dear Members,

I have been researching only for about 6 months on astrology. I am very new to it. And as you may already recognised, I am one of those who has come to a point in life ("midlife crisis"??) where I started to ask questions like "why has that al happened to me". Until I read so much (almost every evening for hours the last six months), I always thought the others were guilty (my mom, my friends, my ex-husband, my still-husband, my superiors....). Now, having been reading about all the aspects, though not understanding everything, I am now thinking everything was/is my fault.

I guess, the reality must lie somewhere in between. But still, I would appreciate verymuch if you have any idea about how I could handle the two main issues (which I was able to point out from my chart) in order to achieve a better and happier self:

1. These Saturn oppositions (mars/venus/jupiter in the 5th Scorpio)
2. Pluto (4th) square Sun (6th)

I only read things, which made me a bit hopless

Thank you in advance...

[wilsontc]

wethr,

You said:

Originally Posted by wethr70

I have been researching only for about 6 months on astrology. I am very new to it. And as you may already recognised, I am one of those who has come to a point in life ("midlife crisis"??) where I started to ask questions like "why has that al happened to me".

This is the time when the planet of rebellion (Uranus, ) opposes birth in the sky. It's a time of rebellion, reinvention, destruction, innovation, etc. Read up on "Uranus opposition" to find out more. Here's some links to get you started:
http://www.llewellyn.com/journal/article/787
http://www.elizabethspring.com/When_...xty-Three.html

Opposing,

Tim

[wethr70]

Hi Tim,

thanks for your answer. Do you have any hints how to handle this saturn opposition???

Thank you,
Özlem

[virgo18]

I know how are you feeling, I am passing the same aspects as you.

You have life crisis when T pluto aspect you natal Chiron, and most when the aspect is bad.

Now T pluto is squaring your Chiron, and T Uranus conjunct it also so traumatic or negative things of your past that were not completely resolved are coming up to your unconscious developing, stress and anxiety, sometimes negative flashbacks and nightmares.

T Chiron is opposing you natal Moon so you may being too emotional, or sensitive at this time.

This is a time to heal you Chiron wounds (most large wound in your life) again.

The past 2 years have been somewhat difficult also because Saturn also opposed you natal Chiron.
This is a time to HEAL and improve your self, and change into positive any negative pattern you have been using or living.

[wethr70]

Hi Virgo18,

Hm, that were really the worst 2 (even 2,5) years of my life. Thanks for the explanation. I am very new to all this stuff, so I did not see these issues.

But I really feel helpless/hopless in where and how to start...

I just need a little push to the right direction...

Thank you for taking your time...

[virgo18]

Originally Posted by wethr70

Hi Virgo18,

Hm, that were really the worst 2 (even 2,5) years of my life. Thanks for the explanation. I am very new to all this stuff, so I did not see these issues.

But I really feel helpless/hopless in where and how to start...

I just need a little push to the right direction...

Thank you for taking your time...

I felt the same this two and a half years, and so in the present but that feeling will be disappearing when the aspects start going separative. Then new opportunities will rise up, and your emotions will start to calm down. You will feel like a refreshing start.

But dont forget to heal your self. This is a time of change in your old life patterns and ways of thinking and behaving.

[waybread]

Natally you have sun square Pluto. This can affect your relations with other people. Oftentimes people with this aspect were bullied as children, so they learn to mistrust other people. They tend to view life as a contest of "dominate or be dominated."

A good way to cope with this aspect is to understand Pluto as an agent of profound change in your life; albeit one who is fairly ruthless and unconcerned about feelings. So if you can see yourself as an ongoing stand for personal transformation, such that you keep becoming more and more like your true inner self, you can navigate this aspect successfully.

Saturn is the disciplinarian. Sort of like the teacher you hated in junior high, but who, in retrospect, actually taught you some highly useful information. Saturn rewards patience, hard work, frugality, and resourcefulness. Saturn also deals with the material world. If you haven't paid attention to your finances this month, for example, Saturn is the credit card bill showing exactly what you owe.

I think the best way with Saturn is to view him as your wisest teacher. Or think of an athletic coach. The coach may seem very tough on the athlete, yet in the finals competition, all that hard work and self-discipline pay off. So let those fun-loving 5th house planets be who they want to be, just listen to Saturn's cautions for them.

With Saturn in the 11th house, you may feel lonely and friendless, as Saturn often shows where we feel frustrated or inadequate. But recognize that this is (as you note) your own doing. It doesn't make you "bad and wrong," just on the rocky road of life's journey that all of us undertake. This is a good placement for befriending older people (whom Saturn rules.)

So you may have some "homework" to do, but the universe notices when you take small steps to improve your situation.

Good luck on your journey!

[wethr70]

Dear Waybread,

Thank you very much (the "thank you" button disappeared??).
Your answer hass summarized for me, what I have been reading over the last months, but could not interpret for myself.

All of what you wrote, I will remind myself. Especially:

So let those fun-loving 5th house planets be who they want to be, just listen to Saturn's cautions for them.

Thank you again

[Chalk]

Venus oppostion Saturn.
Your Sensuality opposes your Conditioning strongly -'Love's Labours Lost'
With this aspect, you will always be challenged by competitors until you realize how important you really are. You must stop underestimating your self-worth. Remind yourself continually that you can match your competitors, and don't give others more credit than they deserve. If you will examine your good qualities carefully, you will see that they compare very favorably to those of others. Stop hiding the truth from yourself. Perhaps when you were very young, you were led to believe that you were less talented than others in every way, and you still act on that belief.
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Sun square Pluto.
Your Vitality clashes with your Intensity well -'Breakdown-Buildup'
This is Pluto attempting to force you towards an inner transformation...which you will recognize whenever the pressures of frustrated intentions increase, until you find it hard to live with and in some way 'blow up', releasing the pressure. Compromise and co-operation are two lessons which need to be learned as soon as possible, as well as more inner moderation. Once you achieve a balance between your being receptive to others and your dominating tendencies wanting them to submit to you, then you should find that the quality of your relationships begins to improve in a creative and constructive manner.
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[wethr70]

Dear Chalk,

Thank you very much for taking the time and answering.

I am learning much from each answer.

Best wishes

[Chalk]

Originally Posted by wethr70

Dear Chalk,

Thank you very much for taking the time and answering.

I am learning much from each answer.

Best wishes

You're welcome. If you have other questions, please don't hesitate to ask.

[wethr70]

If you have other questions, please don't hesitate to ask.

Oh, sure I have lots of questions but I try not be taking much of the members´ time.

One thing which bothers me so much is that, although 99% of what the answers include and what I have read in various articles about my personality is so true, I anyhow had a "good quality" life. Besides all my personal blockages etc. I had fun, I had the necessary money, I had more than a few friends (although saturn in the 11ts says less friends) etc. etc. etc.

Until September 2009. Then everything changed and became upside down. So, if this is due to any transit (i.e. Pluto conjunct DC), why didn´t I feel Pluto in the other houses earlier in my life? It has been transiting all of the time and I am almost 42, so it has already transited 3 houses/signs and now I feel it? AND I feel it so hard and this came all of a sudden.

So the question is, if all this happens so that one can let go of former structers and transform him/herself etc., what are these former structures? Do I have to change those of before September 2009 or those from September 2009 to now?

Because I had decided to transform myself in 2006 (without knowing anything about astrology) and made a move towards that point I had reached at that date. Does this mean, this was not good what I aimed at and achieved and now it has became ash?

I am not sure if I have to return to my structures, my beliefs, my behaviours of before I started to transform (to the time before 2006) or do I now have to search for a completely new way out?

You see, I am a bit confused about all this stuff

[Chalk]

Originally Posted by wethr70

Oh, sure I have lots of questions but I try not be taking much of the members´ time.

One thing which bothers me so much is that, although 99% of what the answers include and what I have read in various articles about my personality is so true, I anyhow had a "good quality" life. Besides all my personal blockages etc. I had fun, I had the necessary money, I had more than a few friends (although saturn in the 11ts says less friends) etc. etc. etc.

Until September 2009. Then everything changed and became upside down. So, if this is due to any transit (i.e. Pluto conjunct DC), why didn´t I feel Pluto in the other houses earlier in my life? It has been transiting all of the time and I am almost 42, so it has already transited 3 houses/signs and now I feel it? AND I feel it so hard and this came all of a sudden.

So the question is, if all this happens so that one can let go of former structers and transform him/herself etc., what are these former structures? Do I have to change those of before September 2009 or those from September 2009 to now?

Because I had decided to transform myself in 2006 (without knowing anything about astrology) and made a move towards that point I had reached at that date. Does this mean, this was not good what I aimed at and achieved and now it has became ash?

I am not sure if I have to return to my structures, my beliefs, my behaviours of before I started to transform (to the time before 2006) or do I now have to search for a completely new way out?

You see, I am a bit confused about all this stuff

The transit chart is nothing but the position of planets at the current place and time. We need to understand that planets move around the sun in a constant motion. Hence their relative position from us will always appear to change. The position of planets for any particular day can be found out from any reliable computer. The transit chart has to be superimposed on the individual’s birth chart to understand the effects at the current place or time. We cannot change the past, but we can change the present to move forward and search for a completely new way out.

[waybread]

Originally Posted by wethr70

Oh, sure I have lots of questions but I try not be taking much of the members´ time.

One thing which bothers me so much is that, although 99% of what the answers include and what I have read in various articles about my personality is so true, I anyhow had a "good quality" life. Besides all my personal blockages etc. I had fun, I had the necessary money, I had more than a few friends (although saturn in the 11ts says less friends) etc. etc. etc.

Until September 2009. Then everything changed and became upside down. So, if this is due to any transit (i.e. Pluto conjunct DC), why didn´t I feel Pluto in the other houses earlier in my life? It has been transiting all of the time and I am almost 42, so it has already transited 3 houses/signs and now I feel it? AND I feel it so hard and this came all of a sudden.

So the question is, if all this happens so that one can let go of former structers and transform him/herself etc., what are these former structures? Do I have to change those of before September 2009 or those from September 2009 to now?

Because I had decided to transform myself in 2006 (without knowing anything about astrology) and made a move towards that point I had reached at that date. Does this mean, this was not good what I aimed at and achieved and now it has became ash?

I am not sure if I have to return to my structures, my beliefs, my behaviours of before I started to transform (to the time before 2006) or do I now have to search for a completely new way out?

You see, I am a bit confused about all this stuff

Transiting Pluto won't affect you too much, until it hits a personal planet or sensitive point like one of the angles. Note that Pluto conjuncting your DC opposes your AC; and with many people, it will square their MC/IC axis as well. So that pulls in your primary relationship, how you project yourself out into the world, your carrer/public image, and home life.

Also, if you look at your transits over your life, sometimes a hard transit by Pluto is somewhat mitigated by some "happy" transits from other planets. Then check out your progressions, as well.

While a "heavy" transit is in progress, it breaks down your previous structures and ways of looking at the world. Now is not the time to jump into another belief system or set of structures. It is a good time just to stay open. It's OK not to know who you are for a while! As the transit passes, it creates space for something new to come into your life, replacing the old, worn-out structures.

When you look back on this experience in a few years time, you will probably have found it to be a difficult, unhappy time, but would not wish to return to the innocence you had before it started.

[wethr70]

Originally Posted by Chalk

We cannot change the past, but we can change the present to move forward and search for a completely new way out.

Yes, I agree. I do not want to change the past but I am asking myself if I should return to that "me" of the past... But I guess that is not possible either, since I have made this experience So I´ll keep looking where I can find the "right" new way. Any indications to that in the natal charts???

[wethr70]

Originally Posted by waybread

Transiting Pluto won't affect you too much.....

When you look back on this experience in a few years time, you will probably have found it to be a difficult, unhappy time, but would not wish to return to the innocence you had before it started.

Pluto was just an example, I do not understand so much about all these transits (I just read so many articles about it I remembered some sentences that´s why I wrote it).

I am very sure that you are so right, in a few years time I will not want to return to that "innocent/ignorant me"!

So, what was your opinion when you first saw my chart? Only a few keywords would be enough.

Thank you so much.

[Chalk]

Originally Posted by wethr70

Yes, I agree. I do not want to change the past but I am asking myself if I should return to that "me" of the past... But I guess that is not possible either, since I have made this experience So I´ll keep looking where I can find the "right" new way. Any indications to that in the natal charts???

Life Purpose
The nodes of the moon suggest that we all come into the world with some underdeveloped or overdeveloped aspects of character. Our True Node ( North Node ) suggests qualities that we need to develop in order to find greater inner balance. By working consciously on these lessons we can gain greater fulfillment.

True Node in Aquarius in 9th house.
Your Life Purpose is founded on Ideals and is directed towards Exploration.
A tendency to become overly attached to the drama of romance and personal relationships, to be willful and overly focused on getting what we want, and to resist being "one of the crowd" in an effort to stand out as unique and special, are some of the issues this position suggests.
A tendency to be overwhelmed by information overload, to be mentally over-stimulated to the point of not being able to make effective decisions, to be bound by logic and swamped in details at the expense of our intuition, and to miss the "big picture" are some of the issues…
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I recommend also to search up your Chiron. Your Chiron is in Aries in 10th house.
http://www.libralion.com/chiron.htm
http://www.libralion.com/chiron2.htm

[wethr70]

Originally Posted by Chalk

Life Purpose...True Node in Aquarius in 9th house...

That description really fits almost perfect.

Seems veeery difficult for me to apply though, to have to:

- try to be "one of the crowd" on the one hand
- and at the same time to stop "underestimating my self-worth" (venus opposition saturn)
- and at the same time to learn to "compromise" AND "co-operate" (sun square pluto)
- with not so many friends (saturn 11th)!!!!

Worst of all trying to quit this inborn character of being really "overly attached to the drama of romance and personal relationships"....

Hm, this should be my homework for the next few decades

Thanks again Chalk...

[Chalk]

Originally Posted by wethr70

That description really fits almost perfect.

Seems veeery difficult for me to apply though, to have to:

- try to be "one of the crowd" on the one hand
- and at the same time to stop "underestimating my self-worth" (venus opposition saturn)
- and at the same time to learn to "compromise" AND "co-operate" (sun square pluto)
- with not so many friends (saturn 11th)!!!!

Worst of all trying to quit this inborn character of being really "overly attached to the drama of romance and personal relationships"....

Hm, this should be my homework for the next few decades

Thanks again Chalk...

Anytime.