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Old 03-16-2007, 06:19 PM
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Identical Twins

Hi everyone,

I have an identical twin sister and it always surprises me how different we are even though we are twins... we fight CONSTANTLY, bickering, disagreeing, and I sense there is some jealousy, competition, and envy (not really on my part although she disagrees).

Our arguements get so heated even over the phone and through MSN chat.... currently, we are apart, I haven't seen her for 8 months due to travel border issues. Both my parents agree that she is the one that gets irritated very easily and picks fights. She thinks I'm the root of her problems so there is a constant blame on both parties.

Can anyone dissect our charts and give me some answers?

Thanks!

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August 13 1980 11:45am Vancouver BC Canada

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August 13 1980 12:19pm Vancouver BC Canada

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Old 03-16-2007, 09:53 PM
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Re: Identical Twins

this is a tough one for sure.
first,with the sun square to uranus ,you are both subject to astral dreams and out of the body experiences.i would think that you are in each others dreams.this aspect makes you psychic but also very directed and hyper at times,almost manic about some things.your mars is sextile to the sun and conjunct the ascendant,indicating that you more harmoniously inetgrate these enrgies in your life while your sister has mercury at midheaven square to sedna indicating that life's contradictions overwhelm her.also her maniac energies dont intergrate into her like as effortlessly as in yours.it seems she is jealous of your ability to work with your innate powers and she isn't
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Old 03-16-2007, 10:32 PM
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Re: Identical Twins

Being born 35 minutes apart can shift the Houses quite significantly. I would look to the 3rd Houses (their Lords) and their Venus' to determine what the problem is. The 3rd House will tell you issues between siblings and Venus will indicate jealousies & etc.
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Old 03-17-2007, 12:03 AM
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Re: Identical Twins

With both of your charts constructed using equal houses, I can click back and forth from one to the other on the screen. I think the situation involves astrological temperament. Your sister's MC is in Leo which is a fire and choleric sign. Your MC is in Cancer which is a water and phlegmatic sign.

Your sister's Part of Fortune is in Sagittarius which also is fire and choleric. Again your Part of Fortune is in Scorpio a water and phlegmatic sign. A choleric temperament is hot tempered and of a fiery nature which sounds like your sister as you discribe her. And for you, phlegmatic is calm and composed. You both really are opposites.
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Re: Identical Twins

Hmm
You have Neptune right on the 3rd house cusp
Relations with siblings could be very dubious...

Both 3rd house cusp is in Sag... ruled by Jupiter, who makes a square to Neptune (in both charts...)

With you, you have Leo/ Aquarius intercepted
She has Cancer/ Capricorn intercepted (mark that the ascendant ruler in both charts is Venus in Cancer in 9, so your sister has her Ascendant ruler intercepted)...

She has Mercury angular on the Mc in Leo... so she can indeed be very fiery, very argumentative and it's more seen in the outside world (cause it's on the Midheaven in her chart) than this side can be seen with you...
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Old 03-18-2007, 04:13 PM
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Re: Identical Twins

thanks everyone... someone also told me it is our mars conjunct pluto in libra... and mars and pluto conjunct our ascendant that makes us so forceful/competitive (mars) and passionate (pluto) about our ideals.
The more I read, the more I think Mars/pluto can make a deadly combination or contructive one depending on how its utilized.
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Twins & Harmonics

How wonderful to find this thread. I'm a twin (fraternal) born seven minutes after my sister. Astrology's inability to explain my sister and my differences has always bothered me. With just seven minutes separating us, that makes a two degree difference in our ascendant, but all planet positions and house rulers remain the same. Some astrologers have suggested I look at midpoints, etc. I have, but nothing has stood out. Nothing, until I started investigating harmonics.

I've been studying the 9th harmonic especially. For those of you unfamiliar with what harmonics is, it's merely the way you divide the 360 degrees of the chart. If you know what a square is, then you're using a harmonic of 4 (4x90 degrees=360 degrees). Harmonics of 3 (trine, 120 degrees) and 2 (opposition, 180 degrees) are common. When you use 9, you get aspects that are 40 degrees apart, and they're hard to just pick out of the chart. Computer programs make it easy and use a technique that brings all aspects you're looking for into conjunctions and oppositions.

Another thing to consider is that the 9th harmonic (9H) chart (looking for planets that are at intervals of 40 degrees from each other) is sometimes considered a secondary natal chart, or what brings you happiness, or even your potential spouse chart. I'm not versed in Hindu/Vedic astrology, which uses the 9H more than any other, I think. But when I compared the twin charts of my sister and I, I found our most significant differences.

Here's a short overview of us: I've been artistic all my life and now work as a writer. My sister is more social and owns a daycare. I've married twice and have had many nontraditional relationships. My sister has been married to one man for 20 years. My sister is currently estranged from the family and I'm very close to my mother. She is dealing with unresolved anger with our mother and believes she has been made the scapegoat of the family. We're both drawn to study religion and spirituality, read a lot, and tend toward liberal causes.

Now, here's the natal charts, followed bythe 9H charts:





In harmonics charts, you can't go by planetary sign or house placement, only by links to ASC, MC and planet-to-planet. The thing that stood out first is the t-square across twin1 ASC-DSC of sun opp mars both square uranus. twin2 doesn't have the t-square on the angles, hence her identity/ego is not as at stake in this aspect's anger/rebellion dynamic (twin1 also likes a good fight, while twin2 avoids them). Another difference, twin1 has juno conj MC but twin2 has NN conj MC opp mercury and neptune. twin1 is the long-term married daycare provider, and twin2 is the writer.

This is the first astrological technique that has shown a meaningful twin difference, though I have lots more to learn, and would appreciate any suggestions on further reading of harmonics.
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