Astrologers Predict Obama Win over Romney

[Kaiousei no Senshi]

Originally Posted by SniperBomber328

Well not really, I do undertsand the importance of the election, but as I have said and I will paraphrase my own words here; basically nothing is set in stone. Although I do hope that the Astrologers mentioned here are correct in their predictions.

Outcome of prediction = not important.
Respectable and serious media coverage of astrology = important.

Originally Posted by Anachiel

Um, 2 people for 1 win = a 50% chance for each person.

To be fair, there will be more than two people on the ballot for president, there will be several third party candidates. Going by the above logic, they must all have an equal chance of winning which brings the probability of any one of the four to six candidates winning to an equal 25-16%.

[dr. farr]

Well, there were 2 primary candidates in the recent French elections, and more than that in the primary 2 weeks earlier: a number of French astrologers predicted a Sarkozy re-election..

(Note: I did not, but using rather unconventional Mundane methods predicted instead that Sarkozy would a) not get a majority in the primary and b) would not be re-elected in the general election; I also predicted that the Hollandes victory would roil the French and European stock markets and cause them to decline in value, which has also occured since the May 6th Hollandes/Socialist victory; so I do believe that astrology can not only indicate likely winners in political elections, but also indicate the likely ramifications of those political results: I am a believer in Mundane astrology; see the Sarkozy thread for futher information)

[Anachiel]

Originally Posted by Kaiousei no Senshi

To be fair, there will be more than two people on the ballot for president, there will be several third party candidates. Going by the above logic, they must all have an equal chance of winning which brings the probability of any one of the four to six candidates winning to an equal 25-16%.

Who are you kidding? It is Romney vs Obama. Sorry, but Mickey Mouse or what-his-head from Altoona do not have a chance (and never have). Seriously.

I will just laugh if Romney wins. The reason I say this is because in the beginning of this whole brouhaha, I was certain that Gengrich had a lot going for him (astrologically). However, apparently, not enough, though since Romney pulled ahead....and still keeps going strong.....

Originally Posted by Kaiousei no Senshi

Outcome of prediction = not important.
Respectable and serious media coverage of astrology = important.

Um, no, the outcome of the prediction IS important since that is the basis of why they were interviewed to begin with. Won't look very respectable if Obama doesn't win on top of having a 50% advantage built in for them.

Now, let me tell you about a REAL prediction. Take Lynne Palmer or Robert Zoller who both predicted WAY ahead of time the date and area of the 9/11 attacks. Robert Zoller even went as far as to contact a goverment agency to advise them of the details. Lynne Palmer even had the DATE (as in the month, year and DAY of the attack). Now THAT is respectable (and useful) astrology.

[SniperBomber328]

Originally Posted by Kaiousei no Senshi

Outcome of prediction = not important.
Respectable and serious media coverage of astrology = important.



To be fair, there will be more than two people on the ballot for president, there will be several third party candidates. Going by the above logic, they must all have an equal chance of winning which brings the probability of any one of the four to six candidates winning to an equal 25-16%.

Really though, the outcome does matter since it proves the validity of Astrology to skeptics' and whatnot. If the outcome of the election does not coincide with what the Astrologers have predicted of Obama as the winner, and it turned out they were wrong and Romney won, wouldn't that leave a bad mark on Astrology? Not saying they are the ambassadors of Astrology, just a moment to think about.

[Kaiousei no Senshi]

Originally Posted by Anachiel

Who are you kidding? It is Romney vs Obama. Sorry, but Mickey Mouse or what-his-head from Altoona do not have a chance (and never have). Seriously.

Oh good, so you agree that not everyone goes into competitions with equal chances and that even heads-tails coin flips aren't 50/50 chances. Basically there is no such thing as an equal chance because someone will always have an advantage that will tip the scale in their favor. The latest polling shows Obama at 45% and Romney at 43% (at least according to CNN), just for an example.

There have been long thesis papers and statistical studies about the nature of statistics and probability in general, imagine their surprise when they discovered all they ever needed was a quarter!

The outcome of the prediction is only important because of the media attention surrounding it, without that it would just be more crazy rantings from equally crazy astrologers. You can argue a "which came first" scenario, but after the election, I doubt anyone will remember what five astrologers said which makes the recent media coverage all the more important.

Now, let me tell you about a REAL prediction. Take Lynne Palmer or Robert Zoller who both predicted WAY ahead of time the date and area of the 9/11 attacks. Robert Zoller even went as far as to contact a goverment agency to advise them of the details. Lynne Palmer even had the DATE (as in the month, year and DAY of the attack). Now THAT is respectable (and useful) astrology.

Yes, I agree. Those were very useful predictions and it's too bad we can't get more like that. Maybe after awhile security forces would start taking it seriously!

Originally Posted by SniperBomber328

Really though, the outcome does matter since it proves the validity of Astrology to skeptics' and whatnot.

If only skeptics were that easy to convert!! :O

[SniperBomber328]

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Originally Posted by Kaiousei no Senshi

If only skeptics were that easy to convert!! :O

Well it has to start somewhere right?

[Zuri]

Originally Posted by StillOne

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/astrologers...215912482.html

According to the article, the astrologers used Election Day or Inauguration Day to come to their conclusion. Why didn't they compare President Obama's and Mitt Romney's natal charts with the United States' natal chart to see who had the better synastry with the U.S. chart?

[Jason_Harvestdancer]

Originally Posted by Anachiel

Um, 2 people for 1 win = a 50% chance for each person.

NOW< if you want to get into which states each person will get and the number of votes like a REAL astrological prediction we might have some pride for astrology.

Another thing, it would have been more impressive an astrological prediction if when ALL the contestants...er, I mean hopefuls were upthere to say, &quot;Oh, out of these 15 people I think Romney and Gengrich will pull ahead of the others&quot;.

Please, 2 people and 1 win...you can't even find better odds in Vegas. And, again, looking at the news, it's just logical at this point.

It is VERY frustrating to see astrology diluted (or deluded) by simple predictions that a coin toss could make. Think bigger!

Oh boy.

No, just because you have two people doesn't mean you have an equal chance for each.

Let us say that you manage to arrange a boxing match between Bill Gates and Mike Tyson. It is just two people. Does that mean Bill Gates has a 50% chance of winning?

The correlation between the number of options and the likelihood of the options isn't there. Yes, if you are flipping a coin, the you do have a case where the number of options equals the likelihood of the options, but that is not comparable. When people compare a presidential race to a coin flip, what they are saying is that the odds that someone other than those two will win are so low that it is essentially a two person race. There are three third parties with ballot access in a sufficiently large number of states to win, so technically there are five options. Realistically there are two options.

Those who track these trends, the professional pollsters and also the intrade gamblers, say that although realistically there are two options, one of them is more likely.

Let's put it another way. Take out a normal die. It has six sides. Option A is that you roll a 1. Option B is that you roll something other than a 1. Two options. The odds of Option A are 1 in 6. The odds of Option B are 5 in 6.

[Kannon]

I've been predicting Obama's re-election for months now, putting this in the various online forums. Haven't had the time yet to show the charts and describe my reasoning in detail, but I may do that on my blog before the election.

I learned the hard way 4 years ago to trust my own judgment and not be influenced at all by other astrologers, particularly those who have a sharp political bias. Having said that, I have my own challenge since I enthusiastically voted (and caucused) for Obama in 2008 and will gladly vote for him again.

And, no it isn't a coin toss 50-50 deal. The incumbent has an advantage - a psychological one you might say - of already being called "President." This means any challenger has their work cut out for them appearing more presidential than the one already inhabiting the office, and convincing voters that they are better off with a less-proven or unproven candidate.

To sum up the astrology, Pluto is the key factor in the natals, transits and progressions. Without enough Pluto factors compared to your opponent you just cannot win. That's Romney's problem. His natal Pluto is weaker than Obama's. His Pluto transits are weaker. And his progressions are devoid of any real Pluto help on election day. With those astrological conditions Romney cannot win.

There are many different of ways of effectively analyzing and predicting the outcome of a political election, but Pluto is the biggest difference.

Barack Obama is the reincarnation of Abraham Lincoln. Many people including astrologers like Robert Blaschke have understood this. Lincoln was underestimated over and over by many people and managed to outsmart them all, managing his own successful re-election campaign in 1864. President Obama has so much discontent and hate directed at him, similar to Lincoln who was "blasted from all sides," but still managed to get re-elected. The old envies and battles of the civil war era have still not been resolved politically, so Obama's karma has him active again on the U.S. political scene to play the role of progressive uniter, ironically this time as a Democrat instead of Republican.

Obama understands that people see in him what they want to see. They also project onto him what is really inside themselves. Finding and keeping self awareness and a sense of perspective and balance are more important in this election than perhaps even the outcome - IF you have a sense of the current dynamics of the paradigm shift we are in and of the importance of social cohesiveness and healing.

[Anachiel]

Originally Posted by Jason_Harvestdancer

Oh boy.

No, just because you have two people doesn't mean you have an equal chance for each.

Let us say that you manage to arrange a boxing match between Bill Gates and Mike Tyson. It is just two people. Does that mean Bill Gates has a 50% chance of winning?.

OK, I just want to comment on how the above comment has no revelvance to the point I was making. Bill Gates and Mike Tyson in a boxing match is like comparing Mickey Mouse to Romney in an election.

Both Romney and Obama have the same political arena and "experience" so, it is not apples to oranges.

As for statistic, we are not talking dice either. There really are two people in a competition when you come right down to it. Two choices. Not a real hard thing to predict or get wrong/right...as there are only two people that will take the majority of votes. And, since Obama is already president and, as a poster above said, the public is already biased to elect him again, it seems a rather weak "prediction" (astrological or otherwise) to get all excited about and think that astrology itself as won some sort of coup.

Also, as another poster above astutely pointed out, it won't matter or be remembered anyway what 5 astrologers said. Mainly because it it a rather wimpy "prediction" unlike what Zoller and Palmer were/are capable of which IS memorable and meaningful. Course, how many astrologers even knew about that one till I mentioned it, right?

So, forgive me if I "sound" edgy, it's not my intent. I can understand people into astrology getting excited that the news has symbolically handed them an olive branch by proxy of public opinion.

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[Yuusha]

According to the astrologer Michael Lutin, the start of Mercury retrograde may throw a wrench into the electoral process.

So maybe the winner could be more surprising than expected, but of course the dictatorship of economic interests may not like what that "surprise" is.

Or perhaps people will vote for someone the establishment does not like, and the establishment will "select" someone the people do not want.

Honestly, given the sociopathy of Obama and Romney, I only feel comfortable voting for the Green candidate Jill Stein, who has a heart and a brain.

Unfortunately, I've only found her year of birth (1950), so I wouldn't know how to do a chart here. But she is a great candidate, and her professional background impresses me (a physician concerned about the overall well-being of people, including in terms of environmental health).

I've happily divorced the Democratic party because of the way they abused the few public interest advocates they had in their party, like Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel. I wonder how many people have made that decision during the Obama years.

I watched the 2002 gubernatorial debate on CSPAN (one of the fairest debates I've seen thus far because at least equal time was given to all candidates), and Jill Stein really displayed her precision on issues like taxes (ok she didn't have the whole picture, but she had a more accurate image of the situation than other candidates. She even brought a few graphs to the debate).

Mitt Romney came across as a pseudo-compassionate person/con man, in the same way as Obama.

With the unusual and transformative events of 2012 like the lunar eclipse immediately followed by the Venus transit and eventually an exact Uranus-Pluto square, I believe that anything can happen at this point.

[JerryRR]

If Romney wins he will be only the 3rd president to have natal Mercury retrograde,JFK and Truman the other two.JFK assassinated-Truman attempted assassination.
Truman elected 2 November 1948,considered by many as the greatest election upset in American history.

J.R

[dhundhun]

As mentioned in thread earlier, we see Saturn in action:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18404127

Well, Saturn is going stationary around 24th instant and can have its measurable effect.

[Thomas James Haller]

It will be interesting to see.

My psychic intuition has always told me Obama is a glorified receptionist at corporate headquarters, but I believe Romney could be a continuation of WWII into WWIII.

I use forward/reverse numerology sometimes to look at how people resonate with current leaders, past leaders, and popular words, and I couldn't come up with anything for Obama, including his other names. Romney (90/72) on the other hand has been the only match I have found yet for Hitler (although the numbers are reversed 72/90). For what it's worth, 666 also comes up for both men in different calculator modes.

Many years ago I had a premonition that during the main nuclear battle of WWIII we would have a very handsome President in office, a man manufactured for the job. I also saw in the premonition nobody would have any confidence in him, but he would surprise everyone by how well he handles the situation.

I've got this feeling that we're getting much closer to WWIII now.

[gen6k]

I've been thinking about Regulus in Libra. its going to be reciprocal, aesthetic and flowing.

this election is definetly going to leave at least a deep subconscious imprint on everyone.

uranus pluto squares

regulus into virgo

neptune in pisces


i dont think its about the candidates, but a total hermetic transformation.

personally, everyone is going to watch it go to waste.

[CapAquaPis]

Obama reelected! I won't bet on it, because the gay marriage debate issue may derail his campaign, a highly divisive issue for us has personally affected Mitt Romney and his tendency to 'flip-flop' may cost him dearly.

Obama's reelection is comparable to the 49-state victory to reelect Ronald Reagan to his second term in 1984 and the 47-state wins held by FDR in his four terms and 48 states aided Richard Nixon's reelection back in 1972 when the Watergate scandal broke out to force his resignation.

Sadly, the two men won't prevent WW3 from breaking out, the world goes through a dangerous phase caused by the Sun's 80-year cycle (the last time a similar scenario was the 1930s) when depression, droughts (food crop failures) & civil unrest tends to peak.

[Astro-Intuitive]

I am not so sure that Obama will win. Both Obama and Romney will have some exceptionally powerful aspects on the day of election. So, it looks like it will be quite a close call (although Obama's looks a bit stronger). I have the verified INCARN charts (which are based on precisely calculated spiritual birth times) of each candidate below:


OBAMA:






ROMNEY:





On November 6, 2012 the progressed aspect for each of the men above wree as follows:


OBAMA:
Progressed Sun (in his 9th house) sextile natal Mercury - 4 min (s)
Progressed Venus (traveling through 8th house, ruler of MC) square natal Moon - 4 min (a)
Progressed Venus sextile natal Mercury - 2 min
Progressed Mars parallel natal MC - 0 min
Progressed Saturn contraparallel natal Venus (was in place for a long time, even back in 2008)
Progressed Uranus contraparallel natal Neptune (in 10th) - 2 min
Progressed Venus semisextile progressed Sun - 2 min
Progressed Mercury parallel progressed Neptune - 4 min (a)









ROMNEY:
Progressed Moon (traveling in 1st) parallel natal ASC (northern declination) - 3 min (s)
Progressed Pluto parallel natal Pluto - 1 min
Progressed ASC contraparallel natal MC - 0 min
Progressed MC parallel natal Mars (in 12th, ruler of ASC) - 3 min (a)
Progressed Mercury semisextile progressed Mars - 3 min (a)

***BELOW IS THE UNITED STATES' HOROSCOPE IN COMPARISON TO OBAMA'S & ROMNEY'S:***

1. PROGRESSED U.S. HOROSCOPE to NATAL OBAMA:
Progressed Venus quincunx natal Mars - 1 min
Progressed Venus contraparallel natal MC - 0 min
Progressed Uranus square natal Pluto - 3 min
Progressed MC contraparallel natal Saturn - 4 min (s)








2. PROGRESSED U.S. HOROSCOPE to NATAL ROMNEY:
Progressed Mars quintile natal MC - 2 min
Progressed Jupiter parallel natal Uranus - 0 min
Progressed Jupiter 165* natal MC - 2 min







3. PROGRESSED U.S. HOROSCOPE to PROGRESSED OBAMA:
Progressed Venus contraparallel progressed Mars - 0 min
Progressed ASC contraparallel progressed ASC - 2 min
Progressed MC contraparallel progressed Jupiter - 2 min







4. PROGRESSED U.S. HOROSCOPE to PROGRESSED ROMNEY:
Progressed Sun contraparallel progressed Venus - 3 min
Progressed Saturn trine progressed MC - 0 min







5. PROGRESSED OBAMA to NATAL U.S. HOROSCOPE:

Progressed Saturn contraparallel natal Uranus - 3 min
Progressed Uranus semisquare natal Sun - 0 min
Progressed ASC sesquiquadrate natal Mercury - 3 min








6. PROGRESSED ROMNEY to NATAL U.S. HOROSCOPE:
Progressed Jupiter sextile natal Neptune - 4 min (s)
Progressed Uranus parallel natal Jupiter - 4 min (a)
Progressed Uranus contraparallel natal ASC - 1 min
Progressed ASC 15* natal Sun - 3 min
Progressed MC trine natal Venus - 4 min (s)

[Anachiel]

I'm having a hard time seeing Mitt's chart as being valid. It is hardly potent enough to get him as far as it has....we need a verified time to take his chart seriously, not speculation.

[husack]

Hi,
I like Obama over Romney due to the fact that Obama cares more about the middle class. He connects. Anyway, the fly in the soup seems to me to be the voter supression that is going on in several states. I live in Pennsylvania, one of those states. There are about a million people who don't have the required ID. The big problem is that the voter registration card doesn't match the driver's liscense as many people have their nicknames on their driver's liscenses. The other problem is that the voter regeistration lists are somewhat out dated. It hasn't kept up with those who have died. I think that it is this lack of being updated gets reinterpted as some sort of fraud. Meanwhile both Romney and Ryan are having transiting Neptune squaring their Ascendents. Romney has 1 Gemini rising.Neptune is going through his 10th while Ryan has 0 Sagittarius rising with Neptune going in his 4th. Then Obama has his Moon at 3 Gemini. I think that Neptune involved with the Moon is better than the others as both are water sign planets.Thus there are similarites. Obama will have Saturn stationing near his Neptune in February. Ryan will have Saturn going over his Jupiter in November and opposite itself. So it will be interesting to see how this plays out. Romney is a Pisces ruled by Neptune. So if you want to learn about Neptune, just watch Mitt Romney in action.

[Zuri]

Doesn't transiting Saturn in Scorpio on Election Day give a significant advantage to Romney? With their strong tendency to be liberal/Left (and thus strongly biased toward an Obama win), I wonder if many astrologers overlook other signs which may lend itself to a more even or even more accurate reading.

[dhundhun]

Originally Posted by Anachiel

I'm having a hard time seeing Mitt's chart as being valid. It is hardly potent enough to get him as far as it has....we need a verified time to take his chart seriously, not speculation.

I have his chart with 9:51 AM.

That makes (MC conjunct Par Fortuna conjunct Venus) trine Neptune trine North Node.

Uranus in 1st, which can explain his shaking up of election (different statements like 47%, and so on).

Moon conjunct Jupiter is on the cusp of 7th.

I don't remember, from where I picked this chart, but this chart seems to be OK.

[Shanti]

from Anthony Louis
http://tonylouis.wordpress.com/2011/...s-birth-chart/




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In Mitt Romney’s case there is a note from his father mentioning a 10 AM time. According to Neil Swidey and Michael Paulson of The Boston Glode: ”On March 13, 1947, George Romney, a rising star in the auto industry who was often described as a man in a hurry, took time out to write to the relatives and colleagues he’d missed during the previous day’s blizzard of telegrams and phone calls.”
“Dear Folks,” Romney wrote on the letterhead of the Automobile Manufacturers Association, where he served as general manager, “Well, by now most of you have heard the really big news, but for those who haven’t, Willard Mitt Romney arrived at Ten AM March 12.”"

[Zuri]

Originally Posted by Anachiel

I'm having a hard time seeing Mitt's chart as being valid. It is hardly potent enough to get him as far as it has....we need a verified time to take his chart seriously, not speculation.

His natal chart is pretty potent, with several aspects showing that he was meant to be prominent. Romney's Venus and Part of Fortune both conjunct his Midheaven, the career cusp. His Neptune and his destiny-oriented True Node both trine his Midheaven. His Mercury is conjunct the fixed star Achernar ("success in public office"). Not to mention at least one Grand Trine in his chart. I'm not sure what else would be needed in a chart to give him the success (in business and politics) that he has had so far.

http://darkstarastrology.com/mitt-romney-2012/

[Anachiel]

Originally Posted by dhundhun

I have his chart with 9:51 AM.

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Originally Posted by Shanti

...In Mitt Romney’s case there is a note from his father mentioning a 10 AM time. According to Neil Swidey and Michael Paulson of The Boston Glode: ”... “Well, by now most of you have heard the really big news, but for those who haven’t, Willard Mitt Romney arrived at Ten AM March 12.”"

Thank you both for those times.