What time should I marry on July 7, 2012?

[Creol Mae]

The Moon squares Venus at 530p on July 7, 2012 in Springfield, Ohio, but that puts Uranus in the 4th house and Mars in the 10th house. If I marry around 5p, that puts Uranus out of the 4th house, Mars at the end of the 10th, yet still technically considered in it, correct? And the Moon square Venus AND Jupiter is in the 'spotlight' by being in the 4th and 7th houses depending on which time I would pick that is.
Also, I am not familiar enough to consider whether it's okay or better to put Scorpio on the Ascendant, making Mars and Pluto the ruler's of the chart or to put Sagittarius on the Ascendant? I've read that a fixed sign on the ascendant is the best and symbolizes longevity.

[Creol Mae]

The first one is my chart, the second is my partner's natal chart.

[Creol Mae]

One is for 5p, the other is for 6p, for the wedding day chart.

[erinj]

Hi Creole

Ok I am assuming that July 7th is the only day you available since you specified that date with time frame of 5 or 6pm.. here is my take: at 6pm you have a sagitarrius (mutable asc).. fixed is better if you can and Libra asc is great for marriage you want a great venus. Also Uranus is in 4th and we try our best to keep malefics out of angles for marriage chart (although there is never a perfect chart) Uranus is squaring Pluto in 2nd house which could mean a lot of moving, unexpected moving with financial woes. Mars ruling the IC (wide but slowly approaching square to Pluto as well) The fourth house is very important in marriage charts its the home base.
Are you able to say your I do's at 2:30pm because it has 23 Libra asc (conjuncts spica) no malefics in angles and Sun, Venus and Jupiter are all above the horizon. Electionals are tricky yet personal especially for astrologers we want the best time.. The positives are: Moon is exalted in Pisces and will progress to trine sun, Saturn exalted in Libra

[erinj]

Sorry Moon likes pisces but it is exalted in Taurus,, Venus is exalted in Pisces but Moon squares Venus

[Creol Mae]

Well, I am due with our son August 19th and would like to be married before we have him and the sooner the better, but we can't do it 'til after July 3rd . . . because that's when my divorce will be finalized (been separated a year, legally, that is, but longer in my mind). I was trying to pick a Saturday since of course that's typically the best day family can come and we are wanting our pastor to marry us and I'm not sure if he would do or be available for another day, but I could see if that would come down to being necessary. But there were only a handful of dates where the last aspect the Moon was making before going VOC before July 15th, which is when Mercury retrogrades 'til August 3rd and we of course would prefer to be married before that, but if you have any better suggestions I would be happy to try to be as flexible as my boyfriend would allow and the circumstances and timing.
But what about Saturn almost being in the 1st house? Would it matter since it is still technically in the 12th?
If you have any even better time frame suggestions for the 7th or opinions on other dates after July 3rd and sometime preferably decently before August 19th, please feel free to let me know!
How much should I consider his and my own personal charts as well? I just found out the other day he was born at 645p as well, not 10ish at night!

Thanks much!
Crystal

[SagiCap]

I've always thought it would be easier to do the official signing of the marriage certificate at an optimal time - and then have a ceremony at a different date. Or does it have to be the same?

[dr. farr]

Whatever makes the marriage "official" (in the minds of the couple) is the relevant time of the event: so, if the signing of the marriage certificate is what is meaningful ("we are now legally married") to the couple, then that would be the time of the event; for others, who believe that joining of the two people by a religious act is what is required to "make it a marriage", then the timing of the marriage ceremony would be the time of the event.

[Creol Mae]

Okay, so just to try and clarify, if we were to go to the courthouse and get married, for sake of time and planning and then do an actual big wedding later on . . . . . it will depend on which one we decide is the official date as to which chart to go off of out of saying 'I do' at the courthouse and 'I do' at the bigger ceremony later on? Because as of yesterday we were talking about just going to the courthouse for now and doing a big wedding later.
Also! Very important for me to know. As July 15 - August 3 Mercury is retrograde, so if we do end up going to the courthouse and for some reason say my divorce is delayed or he can't get a day off work 'til the retrograde, it would then be fine to go to the courthouse during the retrograde since we will have a bigger wedding later? I told him I will not agree to just going to the courthouse unless we will be having a bigger wedding later, not sure how much later, but would have one no matter what.

[Creol Mae]

Mmmm k Dr. Farr, you have me wondering what would make it considered official and I think the courthouse would make me feel it is official the day we go to the courthouse, but not complete or whole until we would do the wedding ceremony shared with family and a reception though? So I don't know how I should look at that and what if he would look at it differently than me? So complex in my mind. Lol.

[dr. farr]

It SEEMS (from your statements) that the courthouse marriage certificate is what you give most "officializing" credence to, so, if that is the case and your fiance is not a strongly religious person who believes that only a marriage ceremony (religious) creates a marriage, then I think the courthouse marriage certificate time would be the effective timing of the event for astrological purposes.

[Creol Mae]

Would it be considered okay in astrological terms if we went to the courthouse and married during the Mercury retrograde then had a bigger wedding say maybe within a year or two later at the most?

[dr. farr]

It comes down to what the people involved consider in their hearts, to define what constitutes the actual marriage: one or the other (courthouse or religio-marriage ceremony)