1st time doing Horary Chart and (more than) a little confused

[kirklandmm]

Hi everyone!

I have been studying astrology for about a year now and have recently been researching on Horary Relationship Charts. In my excitement I decided to do one but to regret...I have no idea how to read it. The more I look for information the more confused I become. Some say you can't read the chart with a ASC more than 27 degrees, some say you can if it coincides with a natal planet, etc. I'm getting overwhelmed and am really hopping someone would be kind enough to check out this chart and maybe give me some pointers on how to read it? Any advice would be greatly appreciated! Even if it's a simple "Yes, he is" or "No, he isn't"

The question (& a little bit of the back story)
My (ex)boyfriend and I broke up in late February but have been on again off again since. He recently caught a very bad (contagious) infection and has needed around the clock assistance. Insert me back in the picture (after a vaccination). I've been caring for him and staying with him for a little over two weeks. We have been intimate several times. He has fought off his infection and this past Saturday return to his hometown for the night. I had a terrible feeling about this...nagging feeling. There's a girl back home, very young and very aware of our relationship. He has promised in the past that nothing has happened and that he has no feelings for her. Your mind does funny things when you have gut feelings (I'll blame it on my recent progressed ASC in Cancer and my natal Cancer Moon). Anyway, I was hoping someone could shed some light on this?

I asked: "Is Bryan seeing someone else" and got the above chart.
I know the rising degree is late but it EXACTLY conjunct his natal Moon and conjunct our Composite DSC (by 2 degrees) and conjunct our Davison ASC (by one degree). Not sure if that matters?

Thank you for taking the time to read this! I look forward to any advice!

http://www.astro.com/cgi/showgif.cgi...83-u1232266286

[kirklandmm]

I also just noticed that (and I'm not sure if this matters)-
Jupiter (in this chart) is conjunct his natal DSC (almost to the second)
Sun (in this chart) is conjunct my natal Juno (almost to the second)
POF (in this chart) is conjunct his Sun (almost to the second)
3rd house cusp conjunct our Pluto/Mars conjunction (5th/11th axis)

[virgo18]

It seems you two had some disagreement or rush in the last days or weeks... this is because The Sun and Saturn made an opposition.
But Saturn and Moon will trine each other, telling you two will still seeing each other. The bad thing here is that Saturn is where the Moon is in Via combusta. So you have two answers... one positive and one negative.

The positive one is that Brian is not seeing someone else practically.
The negative one is that your relationship with him is not the best for you. Because the moon in the sign of Saturn(him), and Saturn being where the moon is in via combusta means: that he has power over you and you have to cede too much to please him.

[Anachiel]

The late ASC is definitely a foremost consideration. Unless you are the same age is the ASC, traditionally, then it is a consideration and must take presidence before diving in to the chart.

The late ASC means the matter is in a state of flux, there is not a lot you can do about the matter and perhaps, matters are changing so much that the question will, eventually, be rendered irrelevant.

Still, the horary can describe the nature of the issue, even though it may not be able to define, with the late ASC, the exact direction of the matter, at this time.

In this horary I see some very contrary indications to a successful tete-a-tete, so to speak. For example, you are signified by the Sun and they, by Saturn. These are in opposition and that is not a great indicator to bring you two together. The Moon also, trine Saturn but square the Sun could indicate something upsetting but not yet set in stone.

Mars in the ASC is also not a great indicator.

In short, the horary is indicating that you may not be able to directly influence the matter and that both your directions in life are going in separate directions. It is possible the situation with him is changing so much that you really either won't care what he does or you may not have the opportunity to resolve the matter or to influence in any way. So, whether he does or not is not the issue but rather you letting go of this person because things are about to go in completely new and unexpected directions.

Looking at their retrograde significator, and the Moon about to enter into their house and trine them and receive them, I would definitely have some trust issues with them as well.

[virgo18]

As it is your first horary, and you are really honest then the late asc means that you probably know the answer but you feel insecure.

[kirklandmm]

Wow!

You are spot on.

Huge fight last night. Our relationship has just about depleted me. It's been three years and I'm tired . I went over to his house at lunch today and pretty much told him exactly what you wrote. Almost word for word. It's scary how accurate your words are. I told him "I'm sorry for the way I was reacting but you are not good for me. I try and I try but I can never please you". Reading your post made my heart race for some reason.

I cannot say thank you enough. Before I pose another question I will be doing some further research. I appreciate your time and hope you have great day!

[virgo18]

I also agree with Anachiel that you must let go this guy to experience new things.

good luck

[kirklandmm]

Thank you for all your honest comments. As I said earlier to Anachiel this means a lot and is very much appreciated. I have been struggling for years. I feel like this is some really great therapy. I don't want to take advantage of your kindness but would you be willing to elaborate just a bit on the statement you said below. I'm new and would like mind my manners first and foremost and adhere to the community etiquette.

"So, whether he does or not is not the issue but rather you letting go of this person because things are about to go in completely new and unexpected directions."

Thank you

[Anachiel]

Originally Posted by kirklandmm

Thank you for all your honest comments. As I said earlier to Anachiel this means a lot and is very much appreciated. I have been struggling for years. I feel like this is some really great therapy. I don't want to take advantage of your kindness but would you be willing to elaborate just a bit on the statement you said below. I'm new and would like mind my manners first and foremost and adhere to the community etiquette.

"So, whether he does or not is not the issue but rather you letting go of this person because things are about to go in completely new and unexpected directions."

Thank you

Yeah, no problem.

It means that there really are other, bigger issues that are the core of the problem. Whether he does something with someone else or not is really not the issue. So, for example, say he does nothing with someone else...you still may want to look elsewhere yourself rather than spend any more time in this relationship, to be blunt.

[kirklandmm]

Perfect! I love blunt. I'm a Sagittarius. I wouldn't have it any other way!

Yes, you are correct. There are other problems that exist and go beyond the question at hand. Will you tell me what aspect you looked at to "see" the other problems? I'd like to do some research on it. Thanks again

[Anachiel]

Mainly, the late ASC. That right there, like any consideration, tells there is something else going on besides simply answering a simple question.

Also, (and this is personally), I have been seeing A LOT of charts with that dang Sun oppose Saturn aspect going on and, it's been interesting. Both planets are exalted, natural enemies (in horary parlance) and opposed. It's an incredibly tense aspect and, because of the planets involved, brings out some junk that is generally lingering, old, outdated, worn-out and/or denied for too long. Now, understand, this only applies when one or both are significators.

That's the long and short of it.

[kirklandmm]

I think that (transit) aspect in general makes people stand up and think about things. It's funny I've been playing around on the internet checking out other people's questions and answers with regards to Horary charts and for some reason as that aspect was perfecting I felt an usual "urge" to ask that question, right then at that moment. Funny how that works! Saturn is Rxing through my fifth house right now applying to my natal Mars. Astrology is uncanny in it's timing. I'm still learning and become a little more fascinated by it each day

[Anachiel]

Originally Posted by kirklandmm

...I felt an usual "urge" to ask that question, right then at that moment. Funny how that works! ...

Yes, that "urge" is the perfect time to ask a horary...perfect.