Blast from the Past

freedomlover · #1 02-18-2007, 02:49 AM

As some of you know, or may not know - I have no love life. And I haven't had one for many, many years. Since about last October, I've been looking to change that. I have had a long distance phone friendship with an old acquaintance- which is good, but I've been keeping my options open.

The other day I was cleaning out my wallet when I found the business card of another old acquaintance whom I had felt some chemistry with. We have kept crossing paths, off and on, for the last 5 years. In the past he always seemed very interested in me, but I wasn't really interested in a relationship at the time. The last time I ran into him (about 2 1/2 years ago), he was in a relationship with another woman, but he didn't seem real happy. He asked to spend time with me while he was with her - and we had a nice long talk one afternoon.
I have had no contact with him since then, as I have been in another state. I have been thinking about him quite a bit since the wallet-cleaning, and remembering how kind he always was to me. He was really a nice guy - I was a fool to pass him up.

My question is: Is there a good possibility of he and I being able to start a relationship any time soon? (I also am wondering in the back of my mind if he is still with this woman, and if so - what is the status. Don't know if you can tell that from the chart or not.)

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I guess I would be signified by Mercury - which is retrograde at 8* Pisces in the 6th. He would be counted as a friend - so he would be signified by the Sun at 29* Aquarius in the 5th. If he has a partner, then she would be signifed by the ruler of the 5th - either Uranus or Saturn. If you are traditional, I guess you would use Saturn, which is retrograde at 21* Leo in the 11th. (Unless he's not in a relationship anymore, but maybe casual dating - then that would be the ruler of the 3rd - Mars or Pluto?) That's about as far as I get with it. I do notice that the Moon is at the same degree as my natal Part of Fortune, if that counts for anything -and the Moon is getting ready to connect with Mercury. Could that show timing? I'm really trying to learn here.

And this is Mercury retrograde - isn't this a great time to reconnect?

I appreciate any and all insight and help with this horary. I would appreciate being shown the next steps to take after determining the significators.

lilllybelle · #2 02-18-2007, 05:52 AM

I didn't look at the horary chart, but I looked at your natal chart to see what mercury is doing in your chart.
I think it is fitting that you are thinking of this guy as mercury is retrogradeing. I think mercury retrogrades slows our thoughts down so that thoughts that we normally push to the back of our minds can surface. People that you've been meaning to contact pop to mind because you have slowed down enough to cover the ground that was skipped before. Sometimes I don't think we are meant to actually contact that person during the retrograde. It's just a time to sort through our feelings for a person and reflect on what happened and get things straigthened out in out heads. Once mercury goes direct we put our newly organized feelings for the person back into the closet and the person slips from the mind again. Then 6 months layter you run into them somewhere. Sometimes mercury slows down so we can do things that we've been putting off, like falling in love. Funny idea, huh? Of course, I'm mostly just talking about how I respond to mercury retrogrades. If you want to call him go, go for it. Mercury is on your saturn right now, which doesn't sound bad or good to me. Well maybe good, because it rules your first house. I'm also thinking about how you have cappy in the 12th too and how the 12th ties into the past.

freedomlover · #3 02-18-2007, 03:56 PM

Thanks for your thoughts, Lillybelle. You made some very good points.

I felt that this particular Mercury retrograde was going to be significant because of it stationing on my Saturn. It should be interesting to see how it plays out.

The other guy I've been talking with came back out of the past the last Mercury retrograde in Scorpio in Oct/Nov. I'm not ditching the friendship with him - like I said, just keeping my options open.

The Mercury retrogrades of late sure seem like they are conspiring to make me take the time to fall in love - you are sooo right!

freedomlover · #4 02-18-2007, 10:34 PM

I was told another viewpoint on significators - that if there is any relationship at all, be it friends or otherwise - that the 7th house should be the significator.

This makes sense to me in the light of any person you have contact with being a "mirror" of yourself in some way - so the 7th, being the opposite house, would reflect this back to you. I don't know if this applies well to horary or not.

Any thoughts on this?

Moondance · #5 02-19-2007, 03:44 AM

On this site, people are inclined to use the 5th house if there has been no heavyduty relationship,such as living together. However, I disagree with this and always use the 7th unless the desired result is only recreation. If a relationship is desired or contemplated, 7 is the house.

freedomlover · #6 02-19-2007, 03:50 AM

Moondance,

Thanks so much for your input. What you said made a whole lot of sense to me. My desired result is not recreation- a relationship is desired/contemplated- so 7th house makes sense.

Themis · #7 02-19-2007, 04:06 PM

freedom lover, i would just like to comment on the ASC ruler Mercury which is in fall and retrograde, under the Sun's beams etc. according to what i've learned, ASC describes the querent, his psysical traits or psychological state. in this case, this might indicate that in relation to your question, you might feel kind of insecure, or even fearful or as you said that it's blank for your for the time being in this area. i may make mistakes. I am split in using 5th or 7th for such relationship to i can't yet comment on your chart yet. i will see how others apply this rulership. in fact, it might be difficult to have astrologers judge a chart with such late ASC since it falls under the "considerations". (HOWEVER,somehow i remember so well that the other day when i read your progressed chart, i remember your progressed Venus conjunct Sun in about 2 years's time, i was always thinking of relationship, but is it this one ?....

) sorry to mix up a bit things. back to this horary i notice the Pluto conjonct IC, since i don't know how to use the modern planets, i find this point rather interesting. the presence of Saturn retro. in the 11st does not seem to give confidence since i remember Lilly said that 11st is the house of "secret wishes", it seems that even though demanded things realized, it's not exactly hoped by the querent, Blablabla...Hope it helpful to your understanding of this chart a bit. best.

Moondance · #8 02-19-2007, 04:33 PM

Themis, your point about the ascendant is "spot on".

freedomlover · #9 02-20-2007, 07:04 PM

I had a two-fold purpose in asking this question - one, out of wanting to know, and two, to do a little "hands-on" horary experience, as I'm trying to wrap my mind around how this works.

In case, anyone would like to use this for practice, and would like ready feed-back..... I called the guy yesterday and pretty much have the answer for you, and can provide more in near future.

So.... this is a perfect chance for a great horary learning opportunity. I'll give it a little while to see who all wants to take a shot at it before I post what happened.

lilllybelle · #10 02-20-2007, 07:58 PM

Ohh, I like the suspense!

virgo96019 · #11 02-21-2007, 12:22 AM

Did anyone mention a very late ascendant? It could mean it's too late to take action. I am having a hard time figuring this one out, but I think they are still together or he is with someone else, I would use the seventh as a potential relationship with him, and his turned seventh is venus which bumps to the 7th, did he get married? As usual I'm reaching here, but thats my "guess".

freedomlover · #12 02-21-2007, 12:44 AM

Thank you for taking a stab at it, Virgo96019!

I'm going to hold off providing any details for a little longer in case anyone else would like to try their hand at it. But keep a watch on this thread if you want the outcome, because I will post the answer soon.

freedomlover · #13 02-21-2007, 06:41 PM

Giving this a little "bump" in case anyone else would like to take a stab at it.

freedomlover · #14 02-21-2007, 10:39 PM

Would no other horarists or would-be horarists like to give this one a try?

I thought y'all loved ready feedback......

This would help me understand horary a little better, too, as I can see how your assessments play out in real life.

virgo96019 · #15 02-22-2007, 02:05 PM

I think we're low on horarists!

Wave · #16 02-22-2007, 03:45 PM

Hi,

the chart has a late ascendant so it would be better to ask this horary question again sometime in the future. Did you have some brief/long relationship with this man in the past (Sun and Moon in a separating conjunction)? I think he is also not anymore with the woman you have mentioned (Venus and Mars in a separating aspect). I think that at the present moment there is not much of a chance to have some relationship with this man, your significators are not applying to each other. Maybe someone can see some other important factors so be patient!

Wave

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Belgianmoonguy · #17 02-22-2007, 04:01 PM

Hmm
The rising is too late (27° - 29°59' of any sign, in this case Virgo)
Its' ruler, Mercury, in retrograd in Pisces...
Mercury is conjunct the Moon...
The Mercury Retrograd and conjunct the Moon could point out that these are things of the past...

He can be Jupiter (if we play him by the 7th house)...
Mercury could run toward Jupiter into an applying square...
But Mercury is Retrograd...

I think this will not wind up the way you want it... and if he wants to have contact again, there can be a lot of obstacles, delays (the other woman or another other woman still in the picture?)

Anyway, i wish you luck, if not with this person, then with someone else

freedomlover · #18 02-24-2007, 06:02 PM

Okay, I think it's time I go ahead and provide some feedback. There doesn't seem to be anyone else that wants to try their hand, so....... Here goes:

I did make the call to him earlier in the week. You'd have thought I'd told him he'd won the lottery by the way he reacted.

He made it plain in the first 5 minutes that he was no longer with the woman he was with the last time we had contact. In fact, they broke up not long after he and I last saw each other. He then proceeded to say that he had been in one, more healthy, relationship since then, but that they were no longer dating. He stated that he had always been very taken with me and that he was delighted that I called. (He gets to the point - Mercury in Aries in 1st).

We talked again the next day. He said that he had a potential date that night, that it was up in the air, depending on if and when she got free that night - but if she called, he would have to keep his commitment. She did call, but he didn't act too happy about going. I'm not sure if this was someone new or a casual thing that was off and on.

He said he would call me later in the week. It has currently been 3 days since he said that - and no phone call yet. Of course, this being Mercury retrograde, there could be a variety of reasons for communication obstacles - me not having my own phone, and only partial phone access, lost phone numbers, etc.

On my end, since I spoke with him, I found out there is much more potential than I had originally thought for a relationship with the guy with whom I'd been having a phone friendship. As it stands now, of the two guys, he is really my preference. But everything is still quite nebulous in that arena, as well - a lot of obstacles to overcome - mainly the physical distance between us. Of course, that is an obstacle with either of them until I get moved.

Do any of you see what has transpired so far in the chart I posted? Of course, the chart may be showing a longer term thing, and things can change from the course that it seems to be taking so far. I will keep you all posted in the interest of some genuine feedback for the sake of fine-tuning horary skills.

I appreciate all of your insight and good wishes! Thanks so much!

wintersprite1 · #19 02-24-2007, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by freedomlover

On my end, since I spoke with him, I found out there is much more potential than I had originally thought for a relationship with the guy with whom I'd been having a phone friendship. As it stands now, of the two guys, he is really my preference. But everything is still quite nebulous in that arena, as well - a lot of obstacles to overcome - mainly the physical distance between us. Of course, that is an obstacle with either of them until I get moved.

Water, water everywhere and nary a drop to drink.

TK

freedomlover · #20 02-24-2007, 06:34 PM

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Water, water everywhere and nary a drop to drink.

Har-dee-har-har.

Hmmmm...........