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Gianni Agnelli - Head of Fiat

Work : Gain social status 1966 (Head of Fiat)

In the year of 1966 he become Head of Fiat. He was then 35 years old.
This is one year after his brother died.

1966 is Sun/Venus Firdaria. Venus rules 10th - the house of Social Status.
10th is 8th from 3rd (derived houses), can we say that the native gains from the brothers death?
Venus is in 3rd from 3rd. The brother of his brother - i.e. he himself.

In 1966 Profection Ascendant came to Virgo, natal 9th house where we have Jupiter - the ruler of 1st and 3rd.

Primary Directions:
In 1966 Venus made a Trine to the MC.
Venus rules the natal MC.
This is powerful.

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Gianni Agnelli - By pass Surgery

Health : Medical procedure 1980 (Triple by-pass surgery)

Solar Return Ascendant in 1980 came to natal 6th (in Gemini).
The Sun - Saturn opposition in natal came almost identically in this Solar Return as in natal position.
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Gianni Agnelli - Hyleg and Alcocoden?

Death by Disease 24 January 2003 (died at age 81, prostate cancer).

Well, I realized something important while I have calculating the H&A.
Hyleg is the Moon in 4th (Bonatti says Moon angular and in masculine sign in Male chart is appropriate for Hyleg), Alcocoden is Mars in 4th in Aries.
This Mars would give its highest years - 66.
Cauda Draconis in 12 degrees near Mars would take 1/3 of the years, that is 5 years.
We have 61 years.
But he lived 81 years?!
Remember in the last post we delineate his Triple By Pass surgery in 1980. This is near the years which Alcocoden gave.
The modern day medicine and his financial support for this had helped prolonging his life.
This is what the medieval people did not have, and this is why it is very hard in these days to calculate the Alcocoden and the years of death acording to the Alcododen.
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Re: Gianni Agnelli - Hyleg and Alcocoden?

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Death by Disease 24 January 2003 (died at age 81, prostate cancer).

Well, I realized something important while I have calculating the H&A.
Hyleg is the Moon in 4th (Bonatti says Moon angular and in masculine sign in Male chart is appropriate for Hyleg), Alcocoden is Mars in 4th in Aries.
This Mars would give its highest years - 66.
Cauda Draconis in 12 degrees near Mars would take 1/3 of the years, that is 5 years.
We have 61 years.
But he lived 81 years?!
Remember in the last post we delineate his Triple By Pass surgery in 1980. This is near the years which Alcocoden gave.
The modern day medicine and his financial support for this had helped prolonging his life.
This is what the medieval people did not have, and this is why it is very hard in these days to calculate the Alcocoden and the years of death according to the Alcocoden.
Perhaps so Omnisphericus... and many thanks for all your valuable contributions to our traditional thread on this forum

Nevertheless - the thought occurs to me that, for all the billions who have limited access to modern day medicine and who lack the financial support, presumably the Alcocoden remains an effective marker for what dr. farr refers to as "the critical years" of the life when IF THERE IS NO MEANS OF INTERVENTION then death is a distinct possibility
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Re: Gianni Agnelli - Hyleg and Alcocoden?

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Nevertheless - the thought occurs to me that, for all the billions who have limited access to modern day medicine and who lack the financial support, presumably the Alcocoden remains an effective marker for what dr. farr refers to as "the critical years" of the life when IF THERE IS NO MEANS OF INTERVENTION then death is a distinct possibility
Yes, I agree. Also, I think that in many cases there is predestined time of death and this is inescapable. This is often showed by some very awful direction to the life giving places in the chart.
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Re: Gianni Agnelli - Hyleg and Alcocoden?

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Yes, I agree. Also, I think that in many cases there is predestined time of death and this is inescapable. This is often showed by some very awful direction to the life giving places in the chart.
Death is indeed inescapable in any event HOWEVER to paraphrase the old saying: "everyone wants to go to Heaven BUT no-one wants to experience death in order to get there!"
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Elisabeth, Empress of Austria



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Relationship : Marriage 24 April 1854 (Cousin, Franz Josef)
Family : Change in family responsibilities 21 August 1858 (Crown prince born)
Death of Child 30 January 1889 (Son a suicide)
Death by Homicide 10 September 1898 (Stabbed, age 60)

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German royalty, the second daughter of Duke Joseph of Bavaria. After a happy childhood, raised in a rural family castle, she became the Empress of Austria and Hungary with her marriage to her cousin Franz Josef on 4/24/1854 when she was 17. Coming from an unrestrained background into the ceremonies of the Vienna court, her marriage suffered not only from the necessary adjustments but from the stress of a nagging mother-in-law. The marriage began as a glowing love-match, but gradually turned cold when her husband began to pursue casual infidelities.
Elizabeth had three children who were raised by Franz Josef's mother; she was allowed very little contact with them, and the first daughter died in infancy. After their third child was born, Crown Prince Rudolph, she became estranged from her husband. Seeming to suffer from poor health, she sought relief and recuperation in a great deal of travel.
A striking beauty with a gay spirit, Elizabeth was an accomplished horsewoman. Her ability to speak Magyar fluently endeared her to the Hungarians. Though her judgment was sound, she took little part in public affairs and abhorred publicity, preferring a quiet interest in literature. In 1881 her son, Archduke Rudolph, married Princess Stephanie, but it was not a close union.
When the country began a disastrous war with Prussia and Italy in 1866, Elizabeth rejoined her husband, helping to bring better relations between Austria and Hungary, halves of the dual monarchy.
Europe was shocked with the scandal when Archduke Rudolph committed suicide with Baroness Maria Vetsera at Mayerling 1/30/1889, 7:00 to 8:00 AM. Family trauma was not unfamiliar to the Empress; her cousin had been a suicide and her sister died in a fire in 1897.
Elizabeth fell deeply into melancholia. Seeking escape again in travel, as the left the hotel to board a ship, she was stabbed to death by Italian anarchist Luigi Luccheni the afternoon of 9/10/1898, Bei Genf, Switzerland.

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Empress Elisabeth Abu Ali's Considerations

Jupiter in 1st
Cauda Draconis in 2nd
Saturn and Moon in 3rd
Sun in 4th
Mars and mercury in 5th
Venus in 6th

Juptier in 1st:
"Signifies honor. glory, humility, respect, wisdom and peaceful life".

Saturn in 3rd:
"Indicates hatered and conflicts between the siblings."

Moon in 3rd:
"Signifies professional duties and joy from reach people, kings, noblemans and foreigners. Journeys."

Sun in 4th:
"Indicates wealth under the earth, revealing of the secrets and hidden things.
Honor and fame. Arts."


Mars in 5th:
"Indicates many illegal children and no joy from them"

Mercury in 5th:
"Indicates a lot of work through latters. Many joy from one of the sons".
(This would be so if Mars was not here, maybe?!)

Venus in 6th:
"Signifies lustful women, illnesses transmitted through women, as thefts from servants"


Cauda Draconis in 2nd signifies decline of the status.
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Empress Elisabeth - Delineation of Natal Chart

Ascendant in earth sign, the person would seek Material Security, through Pleasures, Children and Art (Creativity) or Literature (Mercury in 5th).

The native benefits from the land and inheritance, from the family (Ruler of 4th in 1st).
There is contention between the native and family (ruler of 12th in 4th).

Ruler of 6th in 3rd shows bad stuffs to the kin (because the planet is Saturn).

Children have dificult life and early death (Ruler of 8th in 5th).

Native travels because of Service (ruler of 9th in 6th).

Native gains advantage through her kin (ruler of 11th in 3rd). Her husband is her kin.

Where do the native gains enemies? In her own land and into her parents. (Ruler of 12th in 4th).
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Empress Elisabeth - Marriage

Relationship : Marriage 24 April 1854 (Cousin, Franz Josef)

Venus is Almuten of 7th.
In April 1854 (16 years old) she was in Saturn/Venus Firdaria.
Saturn is in 3rd = Kher husband is her Kin.

In December 1853 Profected Ascendant came on natal 5th house (Capricorn).
Sun is in Capricorn. Saturn is Lord of the Year.
Profecting by month, in April we come to the 9th house (Taurus) and the Lord of the Month was Venus.

The Solar Return for 1853/1854 is having Leo for Ascendant and Venus exactly in DC.
Sun is in 5th house in that Solar Return conjuncting Jupiter.
In April, directed SR Ascendant came to 5th house.
Saturn, ruler of SR DC is in 10th showing public marriage and person with high social status.
Venus on DC in SR rules the 3rd in SR. (The husband is the kin).
Isn't it amazing to see how is this all conected?!
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Elizabeth Empress - Death of the Son

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kZwRmUJUBU
Watching this video and listening to this song one can actually feel the presence of the sad life the Empress had.

Her Son committed suicide when 30 years old.
Ruler of 8th in 5th (Mars) is the significator of the young death of her child.
That Mars is having honors in 5th, also rules the third.

The profections in December of 1888 came to her 4th house Sag.
Mars falls in the sign of Aries (natal 8th house).Actually that Mars was profected to the 8th house of natal.
The suicide happened in the 2nd month from her birthday (i.e. January 1889).
Profected Ascendant came to the second house, i.e. Capricorn - ruler is Saturn.
Saturn is ruler of natal 5th where Mars is in Capricorn.
The Firdaria is Sun/Saturn.

Saturn and Capricorn, is also ruler of the SR Ascendant in that year.
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Some Basic Delineation Rules

I rely on the Ben Dykes explanation in his book "Using Medieval Astrology".

Planet in a certain house has many topics in hand.

1. First, that planet will act always according to its Essential Nature. Malefic will act by impeding, Benefic will act by increasing the good.

2. The Planet will bring with it self the Agenda of the houses she rules.
If a planet is in 11th, and ruling 4th, we can say that the Parents (or Father particularly) are native's Friends.

When you see a planet in certain house you should ask the following 4 questions (by the planet ruling some other house):

a) Who is experiencing the affairs of the house?
b) Why the houses affairs are manifesting or what has led to them?
c) What sorts of things the house's affairs are responsible for?
d) What the house's affairs are like?


1st House
Planets in 1st house are giving their own tone to the whole character and being to the native's character and body shape.
Mercury will show intelligent person. Venus love for fun. Sun Glory. Jupiter Wisdom and Philosophy. Moon changeability. Saturn melancholy. Mars passions and furiousity when in best, anger and destruction when in worst.

The planets by ruling some other house also shows What Comes to the Native's Experience. Ruler of 2nd in 1st shows that Money comes to the Native. Ruler of 3rd in 1st shows that the native has authority over the kin and siblings, over parents and family (4th), over the children (5th), over the servants (6th), over the partner (7th), over the partner's financies (8th), over the journeys (9th), in work (10th), over the friends (11th), over the enemies (12th).
10th in 1st also shows that honors are bestowed to the native. 11th in 1st shows that native gains Acquisitions.

The Ruler of 1st in house is showing in which field the native will seek to fulfill his Primary Motivation:
Ruler of 1st in 2nd - Through Acquiring Wealth.
1st in 3rd - Through Reading, Short Journeys and Communication skills.
1st in 4th - In the home, or through Family. Through the relationship with the Father.
1st in 5th - Through Children; joyful entertainment and gambling (in worse).
1st in 6th - through aquaring professional skills (6th is related with 10th by triplicity), through being of Service.
1st in 7th - Through Partnership.
1st in 8th - going through the hardships of life.
1st in 9th - through long journeys and philosophy.
1st in 10th - through the career and work.
1st in 11th - through friendships and hopes and wishes. Through Groups.
1st in 12th - Through Self-Undoing.

The ruler of 1st in houses is also showing the physical body's health.
Ruler of 1st in 6th/8th and 12th can show poor health.
The ruler of 1st in Houses can also shows the nature of the Life of the Native.
Ruler of 1st in 8th shows that the native has difficult life. In 11th - Fortunate. In 5th - Happy. In 6th - he is servant. In 12th - Troubled life.
Ruler of 1st in houses also shows what the native enjoys.
Ruler of 1st in 9th indicates that the native enjoys journeys and philosophy, or religion. Ruler of 1st in 5th - the native enjoys being with kids or being a performer, being creative and etc. Ruler of 1st in 6th shows that the native enjoys to be of service and to apply its professional skills.
Ruler of 1st in houses also shows what the native encounters in life.
Ruler of 1st in 12th shows that the native encounters secret enemies, in 7th - opposition and obstruction. In 8th - early death (if there are no benefics around and the sign is of malefic type, i.e. the malefic is ruling it).
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Re: Delineating Natal Chart 2nd House

2nd House is movable possessions of which the Money are the greatest representative.
the house position of the Lord of 2nd often shows the area of life which produces the money income for the native.

Lord of 3rd in 2nd shows that native's money are related to the kin and siblings.
Lord of 4th in 2nd: income from parents and inheritance.
Lord of 5th in 2nd: income from children, art, creativity, performance.
Lord of 6th in 2nd: through servants, servitude, professional skills.
Lord of 7th in 2nd: through the partner, the opponents are responsible for money income or decrease.
Lord of 8th in 2n: partner's money are native's money.
Lord of 9th in 2nd: through journeys and philosophy.
Lord of 10th in 2nd: through career and work, through honors.
Lord of 11th in 2nd: through Friends and Groups.
Lord of 12th in 2nd: through hospitalizations, prisons and secret things.

Lord of 2nd in 1st shows that money comes to the native easily.
Lord of 2nd in 2nd: - II -(same. Or, from the death of the partner (2nd is 8th from 7th in derived houses).
Lord of 2nd in 3rd: native gains profit through the kin and siblings. Through writing, traveling on short journeys, and through communication.
Lord of 2nd in 4th: Native gain's or loses (money) profit through family, inheritance, immovable properties, lands and etc.. or, money goes to the parents.
Lord of 2nd in 5th: through children, gambling, creativity, art, performing.
Lord of 2nd in 6th: money through applying the professional skills, through servitude, or money goes to the servants.
Lord of 2nd in 7th: money goes to the native's partner or opponents. Native gains through partnership or through the spouse.
Lord of 2nd in 8th: the native's partner gains from his death. The native uses the partner's money.
Lord of 2nd in 9th: native is spending money on long journeys and philosophy. Money through journeys and philosophy.
Lord od 2nd in 10th: native spents money on career. His work and career brings him money.
Lord of 2nd in 11th: native gives money to the friends, friends are using the native's money. Native gains through friendships and organizations.
Lord of 2nd in 12th: Native gives money to hospitals, prisons, secret societies and etc..
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Ruler of 1st in 4th. The native's primary motivation is to seek emotional security in Father, or in Home (through parents).
Exaltation ruler of 1st in 6th = through philosophy (Jupiter), acquiring knowledge and skills (Mercury and Jupiter in 6th). Through being of service and applying his professional skills.

Ruler of 2nd in 7th, money come through business partnerships, but because Sun is in square with Mars, this is often very troubled for the native.
Exalted ruler of 2nd is in 5th = Money comes through Creativity, Art and performance.
Ruler of 3rd in 6th = Native's brother is of Mercurial type and is applying the professional skills - he is a coach - he is of service.
Ruler of 4th in 6th = parents are servants (they are low class workers).
Ruler of 10th in 4th = honors comes to the native (because it is an angle), but because this is mars, it is not so easily acquaried. The work is in the Home.
Ruler of 5th in 4th = native is having fun at home, he enjoys being home, with the family.
Ruler of 6th in 6th = native's illnesses are weak and his health is of good state. Good developed skills and servitude.
Ruler of 7th in 5th = Partner is young and fun. Partner is performer.
Ruler of 8th in 5th = Native's children are having dificult life? They die young?
Ruler of 9th in 6th = Illness when on Journeys? Native's Skills and servitude benefits from Journeys and Philosophy. Philosophy and Religion helps the native's skills.
Native's journeys because of service and applying the professional skills.
Servants are people of esteem. The skills and servitude are of esteem.
Ruler of 10th in 4th: honor is gained because of the father. Honors are bestowed to the native.
Ruler of 11th in 6th = Friends are servants. Servants are having friends, hopes and wishes. Friends benefit from his service and skills.
Native gains advantage through his skills and service.

Ruler of 12th in 6th:
Native's service (and skills) suffers loss and troubles.
Native finds enemies, loss and contention in the service, in applying the skills,
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Marvin Gay

Events

Work : Contracts, agreements 1961 (Signed with Motown)
Relationship : Marriage 1961 (Anna)
Work : Published/ Exhibited/ Released 1962 ("Stubborn Kind of Fellow")
Work : Published/ Exhibited/ Released 1965 ("How Sweet It Is (To Be Loved By You)")
Death of Significant person 16 March 1970 (Tammi Terrell)
Work : Published/ Exhibited/ Released 1973 ("Let's Get It On")
Relationship : Divorce dates 1975 (From Anna)
Family : Change residence 1981 (Fled to Europe)
Death by Homicide 1 April 1984 at 12:00 noon in Los Angeles, CA (Shot by father, age 44)

Additional information to the Events:

In 1975, Gaye’s divorce from Anna was nasty, keeping him in divorce courts much of the time. He was hit heavily by missed alimony payments in 1976. He remarried in the late ‘70s but his escalating drug problems doomed the union. He relocated to Hawaii for a while to sort out his personal affairs.

Returning to the U.S., Gaye moved in with his parents as he tried to come to terms with drug addiction. The return home only sent him into a spiral of depression, quarrels with his dad and threats of suicide. Finally, on 4/01/1984,
he was shot and killed by his father the day before his 45th birthday, Los Angeles, CA.

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Marvin Gay - Abu Ali's Considerations



Moon in 3rd:
"Indicates professional duties, joys through wealthy people (being 5th from 11th?!), kings, noblemen and foreigners, as through travels."

Mars in 6th:
"Is indicator of many hot and dry illnesses and bad family" (remember he was shot by his father).

Venus in 8th:
"Represents opposition from the mother".


Jupiter in 9th:
"Joy and happiness on the long journeys. Strong Faith".


Sun in 10th:
"Is Indicator of great fame, honors, authority at the kings".


Mercury in 10th:
"Indicates great art in letters, numbers and other arts and skills"

Saturn in 10th in Day Geniture:
"Signifies wealth and success in great dealings. Happier status in the older age than in younger".
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Marvin Gay - Delineation of Natal Chart



Ruler of 1st in 3rd:
"The Primary Motivation of this person is to seek Emotional Security through journeys, travels, communication. The exaltation ruler is in 9th reinforcing travels but also religion and philosophy. Moon's dispositor is in 10th - through career."

Ruler of 2nd in 10th: money comes through career.

Ruler of 3rd in 10th: person travels a lot because of the career.

Ruler of 4th in 8th: "Father (and family, land) are related to the native's death".

Ruler of 5th in 6th: Native's children are sick, or slaves.

Ruler of 6th in 9th: native applies skills during travel and journeys. Native's travel because of his Service.

Ruler of 7th in 10th: native's partner is related to his career.

Ruler of 8th in 10th: death of the native will be public.
Native's status and fame will be of short life.

Ruler of 9th in 9th: Native enjoys travels and philosophy.

Ruler of 10th in 6th: The career is his service. He applies his skills in the career. His career is 'sick'?!

Ruler of 11 in 8: Friends (and friendships?!) have short life.

Ruler of 12th in 10th: he has many secret enemies in his career. Kings and noblemen are his enemies.

This is a very brief delineation.
We still didn't said much about the chart.
One of the first things we first see is strong angular Sun.
Well, Sun by nature is determined to Glory, Fame, Success and etc. By being in its exaltation all the things signified are amplified. But this Sun has problems too.
It receives Square by a very nasty Mars. This Mars is in good zodiacal state, out of sect malefic and in bad house (6th).
Mercury, ruler of 12th in conjunction to the Sun is also impeding the Sun (even though the Sun combust him).
The thing that Mars receives the Sun is not helping a lot, it helps but not to nulified the badness of the square.
It is said that Sun-Mars square is one of the ugliest, the native is either prone to commit violence or to receive it.

Another thing with that Sun is that it is representative of the Father (in a day chart). It is strong and angular - strong father.

I will continue in the following post.
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Marvin Gaye - First Professional Contract

Work : Contracts, agreements 1961 (Signed with Motown)

Firdaria:
Mercury/Saturn period.

Saturn rules the 7th - business partnerships. Saturn is in 10th: business partnerships related to his career and status.
Mercury rules 12th and 3rd and is in 10th.
Mercury being combust and retrograde, and because rules nasty house, I dount that in the 13 years period of rulership will bring something without trouble.
There are testimonies that in this year Marvin had conflicts with the owners of the Motown due to the singing or non-singing of ballads.

This contract happened in March 1961. This is one month before his birthday.



Lets look again at the chart and now I will represent you a shortcut for finding the profections for the years without the need for casting a new chart, i.e. profected chart.
In 1961 March, Marvin Gaye is still 21 years old, in April he will be 22. The 1960 year from profections is still on.
We know that on 24 the Profections are on the same natal positions.
We will now count 3 houses back of the natal positions in order to find where the profections are.
First, lets find the profected Ascendant. 24 is Cancer (1st house), 23 is Gemini (12th house), 22 is Taurus (11th house), 21 is Aries (10th house).
So, 10th house (Magisterum/Profession) is on the Ascendant, this year.
That would bring the natal MC to the profected DC - partnership is again accentuated.

Lord of the Year is Mars being in 6th (skills, service), ruler of 10th and 5th (entertainment) and having honor in 7th (business partnership).

Lets not forget that Saturn is sub-ruler of the Firdaria (Saturn rules natal DC).
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Re: Delineating Natal Chart

Dear Omnisphericus,

I have tried to apply your delineation techniques to my 10th house and 5th house, as I am a professional visual artist. I also have a diverse range of creative interests. However, I became completely lost after determining the planets and the rulerships.

What I would be interested in knowing are my primary motivations in terms of my life path and how they play out in my life. Also why I chose this path, or why it chose me? Thanks for any any clarifications!

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Re: Delineating Natal Chart

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Dear Omnisphericus,

I have tried to apply your delineation techniques to my 10th house and 5th house, as I am a professional visual artist. I also have a diverse range of creative interests. However, I became completely lost after determining the planets and the rulerships.

What I would be interested in knowing are my primary motivations in terms of my life path and how they play out in my life. Also why I chose this path, or why it chose me? Thanks for any any clarifications!

Sincerely, FarEastUranus
FarEastUranus, it's been some time since Omnisphericus posted all this excellent and valuable instructional material for us as a guide and I notice he has not posted on this thread for some time -

HOWEVER, I found that Omnisphericus left the following information specifically as guidance to help those who wish to gain insight as to their Primary Motivation

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4. The Elemental Quality of the Sign of the Ascendant is showing the type of Primary Motivation of the native.
Fire goes for freedom of action and power.
Air goes for freedom of expression and movement.
The Water signs need emotional security
Earth signs need physical security.

The person with masculine Ascendant (or majority of planets in masculine signs) speaks in active terms: "I did this to that person".
The person with feminine sign on Ascendant or majority planets in feminine signs, speaks in passive terms: "This happened to me".

The Feminine signs seek advice because they need second hand in their decisions, in fact they want someone else to make the decision for them.
Masculine signs seek advice because they have many options so they are not sure which option is better.

Cardinal signs are most active. Cardinal water and earth (Cancer and Capricorn) are working great amount of actions but in circumstances and environment structured already by someone else.
Libra and Aries (Cardinal masculine) are working great in any kind of circumstances.

Fixed signs are centripetal, they need center. They are very successful in Acquisations.
Taurus hoards money.
Leo hoards glory and honor.
Scorpio hoards the hidden things, hidden motivations of other people, seek energy and vitality.
Aquarius hoards Knowledge.

Mutable signs vacillate between the two: cardinal and fixed.

5. Examine the planets which most closely aspects the Ascendant. These planets add to the whole Primary Motivation thing.

Planets aspecting the Ascendant represent powers the native can use in the world.

The aspecting planet's local determination will be added to the Primary
Motivation.
(Venus in 5th will add love for pleasure and entertainment to the native's Primary Motivation).

The aspect between the aspecting planet and the Ascendant tells you how the being of the planet and its local determination are linked.

6. The Ruler of the Ascendant by its house position tells you where (what area of life) the native will seek to realize his/her Primary Motivation.

Look also at all 5 dignity rulers in the place of the ASC. The Almuten and Exalted ruler are lamost as significant as the domicile ruler (sometimes even more).

The Ruler of the Ascendant (as well as the other rulers) by its nature and zodiacal state shows the methods the native will use and the success or failure of the drive.

This is great quote by Zoller:

Lets assume that a person has Cancer on the Ascendant,
The primary motivation of this person is the Need for Emotional Security.
The ruler/s of the Ascendant and their zodiacal and local state will determine How would this be achieved.

Lets assume Moon on IC in Libra Peregrine.
Jupiter in 6th (but 7th sign!) in Capricorn.
Venus in Sag in 6th - Peregrine.
Mars in Scorpio in 4th (but 5th sign!)
Saturn (term ruler) is in 5th Scorpio Peregrine.

We can see that Moon is strong by accident (being on angle), so we can judge first from there.
The need for Emotional Security this person would seek in the home, in the place of the father. The father would be the means through which this person would try to achieve the Emotional Security.
Jupiter - the exalted ruler is weak by being cadent, Venus too. They can't produce much in giving the emotional security this person seeks.
Jupiter by universal means suggest that the native would seek wisdom, religion (and the person actually did!) but by being cadent and in fall, it can't productively give what it promise.
Mars is in 4/5th and is strong by zodiacal state, but is out of sect malefic.
It would try to win competitions, but also with Saturn in 5th will give great deal of creativity. Mars rules the 10th - creativity and looking for career, would also give some amount of emotional security for this person. But by being square with Sun in 7th it means that it will have opposition from authorities and other people in general.

The primary motivation is great deal of what we unconsciously and often consciously seek for. Once that motivation is broken or someone interrupt it, we seek to fix that in the every possible way we can do that.

I will continue with the tips in my next post.
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