how to read this horary chart?

[Aquarius358]

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Originally Posted by burlinvermon

does bonnatti take my 9th and 12th, his 9th and 12th or both? Just the radical chart.

i will try bonatti's method for the january chart, querent is moon asc,
if you use regiomontanus, my 12th and his 12th are intercepted, does it mean lies? No.
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5th because it is sexual experiences?[/B] No. The 5th House is considered to be a fortunate House. Am not sure why he includes the 5th other than that reason.

If Saturn, Mars or the South Node were in the Asc, 3rd,5th or 9th this this would be negative. Here we have saturn in the 5th exalted. positive or negative? Positive.[/I

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in march chart, my 12th is sun in 8th exalted, is 8th bad? Yes.The 12th House is seen as a negative House. I strongly recommend you visit skyscript.co.uk and read the articles on the various Houses and how they are used in horary.


not all of it? how'd mars in 1st and saturn retro in 3rd change it all ? because saturn is his 12th lord and mars is my or his 3rd and 9th lord Yes, this is my view based on the couple of small negatives in the March chart.

venus rules my 3rd, not his. his 3rd is mars, taking mars as truth, mars is in fall in 1st but in mutual reception with mercury(querent)

So do you think the January chart is negative?

[burlinvermon]

Bonatti has a section on ‘Rumours, true or false’ in his Treatise 6, Prof Ben Dykes’ translation, p575

january chart, querent is moon asc,

positives
if you use regiomontanus, my 12th and his 12th are intercepted, does it mean lies? no

to signify quesited(the truth) we could take my 9th or his 9th ,my 9th is saturn exalted in 5th(fortunate).

my moon sextile his 9th lord in 6 degrees


If Moon were conjunct the South Node, or aspecting Saturn or Mars without reception, then the information is False. She is none of these things here = positive.

If Jupiter, Sun or Venus or North Node are in the Asc, 3rd, 5th or 9th = positive chart and the information is or will be true. Jupiter is in his 5th = positive. his 5th or just radical 5th?

sun of my 3rd is in a fixed sign

negatives
If Saturn, Mars or the South Node were in the Asc, 3rd,5th or 9th this this would be negative. Here we have saturn of his information in the 5th exalted.negative

saturn of his 3rd is not in a fixed sign

[burlinvermon]

to be true:

-the angles are not fixed
- 1 ruler, the Moon and Moon’s dispositor are angular but not in fixed signs , 3 ruler is succedant but in a fixed sign .
-no afflicted saturn/mars in 3rd
fr
there are a few positives which could mean truth.

check the 3rd House for any afflictions (such as a debilitated Saturn or Mars on the cusp) because this would show falsehood - but we must be cautious, he warns, because it could also mean that the Querent might be harmed by the information. nothing in 3rd is harmful but 3rd ruler is in the harmful 8th and the sun, 3rd ruler is in detriment.

he is saturn dignified by exaltation and triplicity and accidentially dignified by being in the 5th and cardinal.

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to be true(william lilly)

Moon in ASC, 10th, 11th or 3rd separated by a good aspect from any planet (ruler of any house) and then applying by sextile, trine or conjunction to 1 ruler, = TRUTH

1 ruler is moon but Moon is in 10th and is separating by good aspect (sextile) with Mercury and applying(sextile) to Sun - which is not 1 ruler but is a planet of masculine-nature. So, in my chart, this = Truth.
Before the Sun, Moon as 1 ruler is going to square the ASC. This is a positive aspect (to ASC) but with some difficulties/challenges (square) so would be a conditional positive

If Moon and Mercury were in square or in opposition OR not aspecting the ASC degree by sextile or trine = FALSE. Moon's square to the ASC is better than nothing.

if Jupiter or Venus are in the ASC, OR if Moon or Mercury are in their essential dignities in trine or sextile to 11 ruler = “no harm to you” from the news/info

No, Mercury is peregrine and combust . moon in the term of jupiter has seperated( opposition) to 11 ruler,mars by 7 degrees(within orb,9.5 degrees by lilly)and mercury in the face of venus seperated (trine) to 11th ruler(mars)
= it is seperated though

BUT ... if 6, 8 or 12 ruler is in the ASC OR in bad aspect to 1 ruler ...
moon(1 ruler) seperated(opposition) by 7 degrees(lilly orb is 9.5 degrees) with 6th ruler, mars
or ... if Mars or Saturn are in bad aspect to 1 ruler
same, moon(1 ruler) seperated(opposition) by 7 degrees(lilly orb is 9.5 degrees) with 6th ruler, mars

Then on CA 193 he mentions “According to the ancients” - and lists what they said to do and includes the succeedant houses as well.

or if 1 ruler or Moon are applying by sextile or trine to Jupiter, Venus or the Sun = TRUE
1st house ruler is moon applying( sextile) to the sun= truth
BUT
2. If 1 ruler is afflicted by Mars or Saturn or is cadent = FALSE (even if 1 ruler is strong - ie has essential dignity - in its Sign.)
moon is not cadent but moon(1 ruler) seperated(opposition) by 7 degrees(lilly orb is 9.5 degrees) with 6th ruler, mars
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conclusion(january chart)

first method:
there are a few positives which could mean truth. he is dignified. nothing in 3rd is harmful but 3rd ruler is in the harmful 8th and the sun, 3rd ruler is in detriment.

depends if he considered 3rd ruler or only the 3rd house, if he considered, it takes the ‘edge’ off the truth

second method(william lilly):
there are a few positives which could mean truth.Moon's square to the ASC is better than nothing but still negative.

depends if lilly considered the seperating aspects, if he did ,it takes the ‘edge’ off the truth

ancient method:
depends if the ancients considered the seperating aspect as false, if they didn't, it is truth.

bonatti method(earlier post):

depends if bonatti considered any saturn in 5th a negative, even dignified because he doesn't say afflicted saturn. if he did, it takes the ‘edge’ off the truth