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Old 03-11-2012, 12:35 PM
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Re: Which is more significant, planets or signs?

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There are hundreds of examples of correct predictive astrology here on AW, hundreds more examples on skyscript; that figure I referenced in my post (ie, "75-85% correct results over a large number...of samples"), that refers to my own results (not to some speculation or to what some "expert" claimed)...check out particularly the horary forums here and on skyscript
Horary question outcomes are checkable if there is an update from the questioner, so - either way the evidence is there... interestingly, Horary as practised on this forum is from the Tropical perspective
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...also, Vedic astrology sites are almost entirely concerned with predictive astrology (rather than character/personality analysis astrology)...
Equally interestingly dr. farr, Vedic astrology is traditionally sidereal and has a reputation for consistently accurate prediction

Following many forum discussions on this subject - such as for example "What sign was "actually" breaking the horizon at the time of my birth?" at this link http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=41281 it is common knowledge that:

(a) Sidereal Zodiac signs are aligned to corresponding constellations/groups of stars and adjust - using an “ayanamsa” - to account for a gradually precessing vernal equinox (shift in orientation of Earth's axis of rotation).

(b) Tropical Zodiac signs do not make this adjustment but are solely aligned to points where Sun's position on the ecliptic creates seasonal changes.

(c ) Sidereal and Tropical differ on the Zodiacal Degree where their astrological year begins.

(d) Although both systems begin the astrological year with the Spring/Vernal Equinox, the Sidereal Equinox occurs when Sun is at 6º Pisces.

(e) Tropical Equinox occurs when Sun is at 0º Aries– i.e. approximately 23 degrees after the Sidereal equinox.

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Re: Which is more significant, planets or signs?

Well, to me the whole sidereal/tropical debate is simply more evidence that signs are less important than planetary aspects. If both Vedic and western astrologers produce good results, that isn't really an argument for one system over another.
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Re: Which is more significant, planets or signs?

waybread,

the same can be said for house systems while we are discussing it from this angle..

i was disappointed in 'the heavenly sphere' book where they have essentially rendered houses as ''boxes'' to put things in with the 5 degree rule latched on for good measure... to me the chapter was a disappointment in a book designed for beginners..

really one is faced with what do you put on a higher footing - signs or houses, which could be a separate chapter to this thread title.. - in other words - 'which is more significant - signs or houses?'

one only has to contemplate for a moment the profusion of house systems to know the quagmire one is headed into..
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Re: Which is more significant, planets or signs?

Vedic sidereal astrology, famed for its predictive accuracy is based on only one house system - whole sign houses - i.e. one whole sign = one whole house
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Re: Which is more significant, planets or signs?

We know that, JA. So how do you account for accuracy achieved by western astrologers using the tropical zodiac and other house systems?
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We know that, JUPITERASC. So how do you account for accuracy achieved by western astrologers using the tropical zodiac and other house systems?
I'm no expert on these matters
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We know that, JA. So how do you account for accuracy achieved by western astrologers using the tropical zodiac and other house systems?
I know I'm RU and not JA, but I currently account for it with what is statistically accurate.
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shhh. We are what we eat (or read) no? lol. It made sense to me, at any rate...
This made me think of Mercury, Virgo represents what we absorb food-wise and Gemini is what we absorb word-wise.
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This made me think of Mercury, Virgo represents what we absorb food-wise and Gemini is what we absorb word-wise.
Interesting. So are you saying that Mercury = Virgo and Gemini? I am just trying to understand if this is an example of the idea that planet = sign.
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