Please help - surrogate mother is the only option

[spiritwoman]

I have been recently diagnosed with infertility. Doctors say that the only way to have a biological child is trough surrogacy or undergoing complicated and a very risky surgery procedure with an uncertain outcome for my age, i.e. I may have to have my uterus completely removed if complications occur during the operation.
While I have been seriously considering the surrogacy option recently, I am also not sure if I should give it a try as it seems way too complicated to for me to pursue. The procedure is very expensive and not allowed in my home country so I will have to do it abroad.

At this point I am not sure what to do and I would be very, very thankful if you could check my natal chart (attached) and see if there is a (any) promise in the chart for having a biological child.

[waybread]

If you want a real "yes or no" answer, you are probably better off posing your question on one of the horary boards. It goes by the moment of the question, rather than your birth chart.

Is 12:00 your real birth time or an estimate? If it is just a default time, it will be hard to give you a good prediction from your natal chart. The 5th house is the house of children. Saturn there might descript your current situation, but if you were born at some other time, the houses on this chart could be way off.

[spiritwoman]

The birth time is accurate, 12h noon so Saturn is in the 4th house.
I would like to know the natal promise for children as I know very little about this part of astrology

[waybread]

The fifth house is your house of children. In modern astrology basically we would look at any planets in your 5th house and how they are aspected; as well as the situation of the planet ruling the sign on the cusp of your fifth house. Basically the water signs are considered fertile (as well as Venus-ruled Taurus and Libra to some extent); and Jupiter, Venus and the moon are considered beneficial if well situated. Vedic and traditional astrologers use additional methods.

However, this is not to say that you will or will not have children; merely whether your horoscope looks favourable or unfavourable.

Saturn in the 5th (the principle of restriction and limitation) doesn't look helpful. Your 5th house is ruled by Mars in Saturn-ruled Capricorn. It makes a nice trine to Saturn from your first house; but then the moon (the "Mom" planet) opposes Saturn.

We could continue on in this fashion looking at the placements of your other planets;and it would seem that although the indicators do not look very positive, they nevertheless are not entirely negative.

I would read your situation, notably with Saturn in the 5th and its house-ruler as Saturn, as well, that there is a sense of frustration and limitation surrounding children in your life. However, Saturn sometimes rewards his "students" later in life. If surrogate motherhood doesn't appeal to you, there is no reason why you shouldn't continue to try to conceive in the fertile years remaining to you, if there is any biological chance of this being possible for you.

But I am struck by your stellium in the 9th house, which rules (among other things) overseas travel. An option that seems more consistent with your horoscope would be adopting a child from another country through an international adoption agency; possibly an older child.

[spiritwoman]

Thanks. The thing is that laws in my country are not in favor of adoption by single mothers, i.e I am not allowed to adopt a child at all, so I am basically stuck with the surrogate mother option (which I will have to do in another country) for the time being.

[waybread]

spiritwoman, there are so many children in your own country already born who are in need of love and affection. Possibly you have nephews or neices who would love to spend time with a special aunt. Focus your energies just now on giving of yourself to the children to whom you can contribute, and see what happens. If surrogate motherhood is illegal in your country for single women, what would prevent the social services people in your country for taking away a child born to another mother-- and via a sperm donor?

[RockFish]

Waybread, are you using equal house system with this chart?

[spiritwoman]

Surrogate motherhood is illegal as well as adoptions by single women. Surrogate motherhood is legally possible if I do it abroad. Adoptions are not possible at all (abroad or at home).
Doctors won't allow artificial insemination via a sperm donor unless I undergo surgery, which I won't.
Waybread, with all that Saturn messing up my life and blocking my 1st, 7th and 10th house, at least I deserve to have a child, otherwise I think I will end up alone and lonely for the rest of my life. I have been single almost all my life, professional life is very, very difficult despite efforts and ambition, so I my question is - is it possible to see if there are any promises in the natal chart for children. Surrogate motherhood (as the only option for me) is very expensive, so I don't want to spent all my savings on trying something that was not meant to be.....

[waybread]

Spiritwoman, Nobody "deserves" a child, certainly not to prevent ourselves from being lonely. Children are not on the planet to fill the gaps in our lives. They are their own little people, who come with their own set of needs and goals. Parents to some extent exist to provide for the children's own needs, over and above our own.

Imagine if you had a son who wanted to be independent and leave home as a teenager--and didn't respond well to your discipline and did not particularly want to provide you with companionship. Imagine if you had a child with autism. So the question isn't whether surrogate motherhood is possible--I've suggested already that it looks difficult but not impossible. The question is whether you want a child for the wrong reasons.

Believe me, I am not unsympathetic. I have two adult children with a 5-year gap between them. This time interval was not by choice-- the "stork" just didn't care to visit us. Then I nearly miscarried. I found it to be a very anxious, depressing time.

But certainly there are far easier and cheaper ways to cure lonliness than going through a risky medical procedure or expensive overseas surrogacy.

I can see that this dilemma is tearing you apart, however; and would strongly encourage you to post your question on one of the horary boards, if you have not done so already. It isn't a type of astrology I practice, but it can give you a "yes or no" type of answer. Once in a while the horary chart yields the answer that the chart cannot be read, but then you can ask again in a few months.

rockfish-- eek! No...and I misread Saturn as in the 5th. It's not, in Placidus. It is in the 5th with equal house and whole signs. However, I did a tour of the chart previously, and noted that if we look at the sign ruler of Saturn (which is also the sign ruler of the 5th house with Placidus) we see Pluto conjunct Venus (in Virgo, a "barren" sign) in the 8th house. This suggests a risk of miscarriage to me. The house ruler here is the sun, and it's not badly situated conjunct Jupiter in Libra, however. But either way we've got moon opposite Saturn, and sun square Mars in Capricorn. Again, having a child looks difficult but not impossible to me.

How would you read this chart?

[RockFish]

rockfish-- eek! No...and I misread Saturn as in the 5th. It's not, in Placidus. It is in the 5th with equal house and whole signs. However, I did a tour of the chart previously, and noted that if we look at the sign ruler of Saturn (which is also the sign ruler of the 5th house with Placidus) we see Pluto conjunct Venus (in Virgo, a "barren" sign) in the 8th house. This suggests a risk of miscarriage to me. The house ruler here is the sun, and it's not badly situated conjunct Jupiter in Libra, however. But either way we've got moon opposite Saturn, and sun square Mars in Capricorn. Again, having a child looks difficult but not impossible to me.

I agree with you. I asked about the house system because of the placement of Saturn in the 4th, but the end result is very much the same as if Saturn was in the 5th, since 4th house brings about a problem with family and since it is afflicting her Moon, doesn't look good for conception. And I also agree with you about Venus in Virgo in the 8th, it's not promising and can be dangerous in conjunction to Pluto, life-threatening maybe.

I would like to point that Saturn is not blocking the 1st and 7th as spiritwoman said, actually Saturn trines your AC and Sextiles your DC, Moon also helps with the 1st and 7th, so, I think you can find a stable relationship in the future, perhpas with an older person.

And with all these planets in the 9th, did you ever think of moving to another country permanently? Perhaps it would be freeing for you, your Sun would benefit from a different culture and you could also make many friends with uranus and mercury there.

[waybread]

Originally Posted by RockFish

And with all these planets in the 9th, did you ever think of moving to another country permanently? Perhaps it would be freeing for you, your Sun would benefit from a different culture and you could also make many friends with uranus and mercury there.

I agree with you, Rockfish! Spiritwoman has a strong stellium (including Jupiter) in the 9th house of overseas travel. If she feels lonely and over-worked at home, perhaps an overseas stay would be beneficial. Time and finances permitting, perhaps volunteering in an orphanage in a developing country.