The Enochian Evocation of Dr. John Dee

[piercethevale]

Greetings. Is there any member of the forum that is familiar with the writing of Dr. John Dee?
I found a web-site that is offering a great many of his works for free as they are apparently mostly in the 'Public Domain'...as I can't get anything specific from this site as to what excerpts are being offered from his book titled 'The Enochian Evocation' and am presently only interested in obtaining the text for pages 40 through 43 [on Septile matrix or as might be identified as a 'Seven Pointed Star']...I am hesitant to attempt, either the free download offering or, the purchase option...one for fear of viruses and the other for being 'burned' as to not getting the specific content I am in search of.
If anyone has this book would they be so kind as to share the info I seek with me?
To all other members...from what I can tell there are a number of texts being offered on subjects that I know for certain a few if not a sizable number of members will find intriguing and might be tempted to ascertain.
If you do so and 'pestilent free' would you report back to me and let me know of your experience with this site?
http://darkbooks.org/pp.php?v=1873963732
or more generally...
http://darkbooks.org/
Thanks, ptv.

[dr. farr]

All books regarding Dee and Enochiana, are available from mainstream sources like Amazon books; you would be best off dealing with these sources for the principle texts; I have not used the free texts from certain occult-oriented sites because of the possibility of virus problems.
Like desiring to become proficient in Hellenistic astrology or Vedic astrology, requires significant special study, so too does a correct and workable understanding of Enochiana requires equal special study and much effort in that direction.
There are a lot of misleading and/or incorrectly "delineated" books regarding Enochiana: the following are, in my opinion, the most trustworthy and accurate books (available in English) regarding foundational matters of this subject:

-"Enochian Evocations of John Dee": G. James
-"Enochian Magick of Dr. John Dee": G. James
-"John Dee's Five Books of Mystery": Peterson
-"Practical Angel Magic of Dr. John Dee's Enochian Tablets": Skinner & Rankine
-"Enochian Dictionary": that is, the Dictionary by Leo Vinci! (NOT by Laycock)
...all these books are currently available from Amazon books...

[piercethevale]

Thanks for replying Dr. Farr.
I was going through some of the oddities in my library and came across a book Doroty Leon gave me 5 years ago when she was assisting me in composing and editing the book I wrote. She gave me a number of books actually. Her 1996 publication, 'The Mystical Quest For Democracy", which is an compendium of occult esoterica written is a style that I would have to say is close as to that of some of Anton Wilson 's works.
In her book She quotes and cites a number of authors both quite contemporary and antiquated. [Dorothy does cite and reference many times, through out the book, one particular author of whom I know for sure to be of some dis-reputation I therefore find I then must suspect all her source material in reference.]*
Your nod of approval as to Geoffrey James' works on Dr. John Dee is most valued.
She redefines and explains the Ein Soph and the Tree of Life in one chapter and identifies the Keter as the Pleroma [a Gnostic term] and states that it is represented by a 30 point star...she also states that above it is the Ein Soph represented by a 'Blazing Star'.
She identifies the 'Hochimah' as the Soter and attributes the principle of Father/Wisdom to it, Binah as Sophia II and Mother/Knowledge and that the two are represented by 8 point star, Tif' eret as the Christ and that a seven pointed star is represented at that point..with mankind as Malcuth the Lower Universe and the 5 pointed star.
It 's that the chart I produced that I've been promoting is that of Yeshua/Jesus has a Septile Matrix on it...4 of the 7 points filled and in the pattern of every other one startling with the Asc./Moon/Pluto conglomeration at Libra 1* to Mars in the 18th of Gemini, Venus in Pisces 7*and Neptune at the 25th of Scorpio. The missing points in leo, Aries and Capricorn were all fill ed by the Sun, Moon and Saturn the Monday morn after the crucifixion Sunday. Thus, the Ascendant, both Luminaries and every planet except Mercury, Jupiter and Uranus were involved ...which must be both something of definite symbolic significance and the answer to some questions of 'fate'.


*[I do not mean to slight the woman. She is most sincere and a plethora of knowledge pertaining to the spiritual, the mystical, the occult and the esoteric and she is a wonderful writer. I just think she should be a bit more discerning as to her estimations of some people...she is such an optimist and wants to believe in everyones sincerity...IMHO ...of course...but my friend Suryakant has known her many years and has the same opinion of her..he pre-informed me of Her 'Rose Coloured glasses' kind of view of things of which I quickly identified by his forewarning.]

[Mark]

As much as I regret (or hesitantly enjoy) being "that guy" yet again, I have to question the origin of Enochian. As the story goes, it was supposedly given by angels to a couple of self-indulgent occultists. What is the use of a made-up language? And, if it wasn't "made-up," per se, then are we ready to accept that this is actually Divine communication? Enochian is purported to be useful in commanding angels. While it is the destiny of mankind to judge angels, this cannot be as we are now. There is no mechanism that would elevate broken people above angels and, even if there were, it wouldn't be some funky sigils, rituals, and some words from an obscure and questionable language.

So, to put it short and sweet, is there any respectable lineage or origin for what is called "Enochian" in the first place?

[piercethevale]

Originally Posted by Mark

As much as I regret (or hesitantly enjoy) being "that guy" yet again, I have to question the origin of Enochian. As the story goes, it was supposedly given by angels to a couple of self-indulgent occultists. What is the use of a made-up language? And, if it wasn't "made-up," per se, then are we ready to accept that this is actually Divine communication? Enochian is purported to be useful in commanding angels. While it is the destiny of mankind to judge angels, this cannot be as we are now. There is no mechanism that would elevate broken people above angels and, even if there were, it wouldn't be some funky sigils, rituals, and some words from an obscure and questionable language.

So, to put it short and sweet, is there any respectable lineage or origin for what is called "Enochian" in the first place?

Always good to hear from you Mark...regardless of the position that you have to take on a subject.
I'm just curious about the coincidence of this 7 pointed star that is referred to and the Septile matrix that I mentioned. My experiences to date have always found something to substantiate something other than mere coincidence for something as oddly conspicuous as this.
As to Angelic alphabets and the likes of...I have very little interest in such things. I've never had any trouble communicating with the 'Angelic'...nor have they had an reason to inform me as to there being a problem. [No...I don't hear 'Voices'...just to keep the record straight.]