new chart for saturn in 1st house ?

Jai Kishen · #1 02-07-2012, 08:26 AM

Hey guys,
Recently I have drawn 2 horary and both of them seem to have saturn in libra in the 1st house ..
does this mean the chart is wrong ? or does saturn in 1st house mean I am skeptical about it ?

and if it means that the chart is wrong , do i pull out another horary ? if so , what time should i consider to pull it out ?

Asking and Thanking ,
Jai~

dr. farr · #2 02-07-2012, 09:08 AM

Saturn in the first house WAS (in earlier horary before Bonatti) a special consideration:
-quite negative if Saturn is not in rulership or exaltation
-equally negative if retrograde
-both the above indicate delay, frustration, blockage, etc
-quite BENEFIC if Saturn is direct and in its rulership or sign of exaltation (Libra)
-it would, in either case, not invalidate the chart, just would indicate troubles and blocks OR (in rulership or exaltation) benefic influences upon the querent.

Jai Kishen · #3 02-07-2012, 09:25 AM

thank you dr.farr for sharing your knowledge on this matter

Thanking ,
Jai~

Jai Kishen · #4 02-08-2012, 03:49 PM

Oh , I just realized Saturn has gone retro ...
so would be results become completely opposite to when Saturn is direct ?

Guessing,
Jai~

Vista · #5 02-08-2012, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Jai Kishen

Oh , I just realized Saturn has gone retro ...
so would be results become completely opposite to when Saturn is direct ?

Guessing,
Jai~

I believe retrograde can mean a return to a previous situation. You did not mention what the horary was about so we do not know what this would be a return to. Retrograde means dibility, but Moon's final aspect is a trine to Saturn and they are mutually applying towards each other. Moon is the action of the chart. Now, Saturn is in a pitted degree and restrograde as stated, so this could also mean the situation might not end up being all that you had hoped for.

Kaiousei no Senshi · #6 02-08-2012, 08:05 PM

Typically, malefics in the first house when they aren't serving as significators to the question are seen to deny perfection of the matter.

So, it could mean something quite different if say this was a 4th or 5th house type question. Isn't Saturn stationing in this chart? If so that could be quite unfortunate for the question.

dr. farr · #7 02-09-2012, 02:37 AM

Saturn retrograde pretty much indicates only the disruptive Saturn influences, although retro in sign rulership of exaltation would be a mitigating factor; for Ibn Ezra and the Islamic-transitional era adepts, retro Saturn (or Mars) in an angle, was considered quite unfortunate.

Jai Kishen · #8 02-09-2012, 01:01 PM

well the retro saturn I was asking was for this chart ( attached below) .

This chart relates to my ehhh... dating life ..

and looks like the 5th house (house of dating) is jam packed , 11th house (social life) got moon in it , jupiter in taurus in 7th house (house of relationships) ,
and venus in 6th (house of work) ...
This could amount to I would date alot with the people in my work place or may be I would start my dating again after I get work .

But the retro Saturn in libra is kinda confusing , cause I dont even know what that amounts too .. so yea , the chart is abt my dating life ..

View on this chart would be appreciable.

Asking and Thanking,
Jai~

Kaiousei no Senshi · #9 02-09-2012, 08:15 PM

If the file name of the chart is really the question that you asked at that moment in time, it seems more like a First/Seventh house type question. Saturn there would definitely be destroying the matter in this context, as he's certainly the least romantic planet.

Asteriae · #10 02-09-2012, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Kaiousei no Senshi

If the file name of the chart is really the question that you asked at that moment in time, it seems more like a First/Seventh house type question. Saturn there would definitely be destroying the matter in this context, as he's certainly the least romantic planet.

I agree. I also am not sure how appropriate this question is for Horary. Mars, another malefic, ruling the 7th, in the 12th, retrograde, not good if you're looking to become a "lady killer." It kind of seems to suggest women don't like you, especially with Mars in Virgo, associated with virginity... don't like your approach. Or, we could say something is hidden, and that you're actually going to need to go out there and act before you're going to figure out if you're a "lady killer" or not. I just have to know, why are you concerned with this?

dr. farr · #11 02-10-2012, 04:20 AM

(Following is not in accodance with standard horary delineation)

If the question is about dating over the near future (next month or so), then it looks like there will be some blockage:
-5th house ruler (ie quesited significator) is Saturn, which is retro (-), exalted (+) angular (+) but in a pitted degree (-): which makes Saturn (and dating) neutral, but the really important issue is the Saturn pit: pits mean blocks, no action, and that is where the quesited significator Saturn sits: blocked
-your significator, Venus, has just entered its detriment sign (Aries), also not too auspicious for the subject matter of the question

...so, although potentials for dating are there (planets in 5th house), it does not look that promising for dating over the next month or so.

(Maybe I'm wrong-hope so

)

Kaiousei no Senshi · #12 02-10-2012, 04:27 AM

Yes, aside from Saturn we have Venus as the significator of the querent who is in her detriment in Aries. Very disorganized and offputting, perhaps someone not acting like they normally would to their own detriment, a sort of a "shoot yourself in the foot" idea.

Note that Mars and Venus are in aversion to one another. Mars receives Venus by domicile which appears to be good, showing that women would perhaps be more open to this new facade. However, if Venus is receiving Mars through her Fall, it could show problems with being taken advantage of. Though, like I said, the two are in aversion, so there wouldn't be any action going on or anything, and the Moon's next aspect is to that blocking Saturn.

Jai Kishen · #13 02-10-2012, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Asteriae

I just have to know, why are you concerned with this?

Dam it ! i should have changed the file name , before attaching it !!

its just that ehh... I have this dream to be a pick up artist and ehhhh ... I would like to strip for free ? (been a dream from quite sometime )

dr. farr · #14 02-10-2012, 07:47 AM

From the horary, it seems as if those particular dreams will be on hold, at least for a while!!

Jai Kishen · #15 02-10-2012, 07:52 AM

well I actually specified an age on the question and glad ! it doesnt show

so , those dreams will not hold when i reach that age ?
and may be it might come true after sometime ?

dr. farr · #16 02-10-2012, 08:00 AM

I believe this chart only covers a few months of time at most: why? querent significator posited in a mutable sign (Pisces), with cardinals on the angles; short length of time, possibly medium length of time (cardinals on pivots), but then querent significator Venus is one of the faster moving (ie inner) planets, so I think only a month or two is covered here-after that, who knows??

Jai Kishen · #17 02-10-2012, 08:04 AM

thank god !!! so my dream still lives !!
\m/ !

Jai Kishen · #18 02-10-2012, 08:04 AM

Thank you all for you time and knowledge which you shared .

Thanking,
Jai~

Asteriae · #19 02-10-2012, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Jai Kishen

Dam it ! i should have changed the file name , before attaching it !!

its just that ehh... I have this dream to be a pick up artist and ehhhh ... I would like to strip for free ? (been a dream from quite sometime )

A dream to be a pick-up artist? Well in my humble opinion, I'd need to look at your natal chart to decide if that's a viable option. A horary in my humble opinion might tell you when this would be possible, or if it is possible, but you know, you kind of need that "skeleton" to understand how and in what ways this is possible. Also, you want to strip for free? This sounds like a question you are asking about your sexuality/sexual expression, and I would look to your natal chart for answers to this question.