Too much Virgo, 8th house?

[MTTY05]

*Bad link to chart now deleted*

as you can see from my chart (you'll have to manually change the Longitude from east to west, sorry) i have A LOT of Virgo 8th House in my chart. is this a good or bad thing?

That link isn't too good because it messed up my chart for whatever reason. So I'll post the important planets here:

Sun: Virgo, 8th house
Moon: Libra, 9th house
Mercury: Virgo, 8th house
Venus: Virgo, 8th house
Mars: Virgo, 8th house
Ascendant: Capricorn


Birthdate: August 27, 1987
Time: 5:05 PM
Place: Chicago, IL

[wilsontc]

MTTY,

With Virgo (daily work, also analysis) energy focused in the 8th house (transformation, also control), you might try to take control of things by analyzing (or over-analyzing! ) them. Whether this good or bad is up to you!

Analyzing,

Tim

[MTTY05]

thanks for that answer, wil.

I was also wondering...why is it that I've never had a girlfriend or been kissed (by a sober person) in my whole life. I'm 19 and I'm getting really impatient. And needless to say, I'm a virgin...it annoys me.

Does my chart have anything to do with this?

[Arian Maverick]

The chart you linked to shows your Virgo stellium at the end of your first house--conjunct the second house cusp--and the eighth house contains no planets. Is this correct?

I recommend that you post your natal data here so I can create your chart using Astrodienst and post it here.

Arian Maverick

P.S. By the way, I don't like questions that ask if an individual has "too much" of any sign influence of house emphasis in any chart because I believe each of us is born with precisely the type and quantity of energies we need in this incarnation. One could say that I have "too much" Aries with the Ascendant, Sun, Moon, Mercury, and Venus all in this sign in the first house, but is this really the case? Although I associate myself strongly with this sign, I have other planets--including my chart ruler Mars--in Gemini, Capricorn, and Scorpio. Thus, extremely few people, if any, express the pure archetype of any particular sign.

[MTTY05]

Originally Posted by Arian Maverick

The chart you linked to shows your Virgo stellium at the end of your first house--conjunct the second house cusp--and the eighth house contains no planets. Is this correct?

I recommend that you post your natal data here so I can create your chart using Astrodienst and post it here.

Arian Maverick

P.S. By the way, I don't like questions that ask if an individual has "too much" of any sign influence of house emphasis in any chart because I believe each of us is born with precisely the type and quantity of energies we need in this incarnation. One could say that I have "too much" Aries with the Ascendant, Sun, Moon, Mercury, and Venus all in this sign in the first house, but is this really the case? Although I associate myself strongly with this sign, I have other planets--including my chart ruler Mars--in Gemini, Capricorn, and Scorpio. Thus, extremely few people, if any, express the pure archetype of any particular sign.

Thanks, I appreciate it a lot. Here's my natal data:
Birthdate: August 27, 1987
Time: 5:05 PM
Place: Chicago, IL

[Sagmoon]

Recently i've met a guy who's birthday is in a day before yours.. he was just like you, never kissed never had a girlfriend. I get along with him perfectly, well, we find lots in common. He was so eager to be kissed that i eventually broke our friendship and asked him to kiss me. (I think i might have felt sorry for him, i feel so ashamed since i'm older than him) Still now, alhtough i really like him, i think we better to be freinds and he's a really good one!... You reminded me of him, your planets are similar for the exception that he as you said 'have too much' 7th house... I would imagine you to be more withdrawn and quieter, although maybe not... otherwise i'll have to agree with Arian Maverick..more than that from my observation he has so many virgo planets (incl the moon) that he is unique in his own right and somehow acts nothing like one..

[Arian Maverick]

I was having some trouble accessing ImageShack, but I think I have finally managed to upload your natal chart:



Arian Maverick

[MTTY05]

Thanks for posting the chart. I was pretty sure about my sign being in the 8th house, but I'm glad we're positive now.

Anyway, do you think my chart might have anything to do with me being single all this time? I really have gotten no where with women with the exception of my first (and only) date in September 2006.

[Sagmoon]

Originally Posted by MTTY05

Thanks for posting the chart. I was pretty sure about my sign being in the 8th house, but I'm glad we're positive now.

Anyway, do you think my chart might have anything to do with me being single all this time? I really have gotten no where with women with the exception of my first (and only) date in September 2006.

Really, if you anything like him.. you need to relax, make less jokes, and stop being too kind to all women. if you have one, make her believe she's the only one without going and wasting your energy to communicate with all the other ones.. hope that helps..

sofy

[virgo96019]

I think I have talked about my sister on the forum before,she has a lot of virgo, her asc is 28 deg leo...almost a double! Her first house is virgo with uranus, pluto, and moon. Her second house is virgo with sun, venus, and mercury. She is the smartest, most organized person I know. She is there for everyone that needs her, yet she can be unbearable to be around at times and doesn't have anything nice to say about anyone. Purely negative. I think I will stop myself here before I go to far....IMO there can be a such thing as too much virgo.

[wilsontc]

MTTY,

You have Uranus (friends) focused in the 11th house (friends). You also have Saturn (ancient ruler of the 11th house) in the 11th house. This indicates that you have "friendly" energy: you like to get close but not TOO close. In addition you have Virgo modifying Venus (relationships, Venus in the sign of its fall (very challenging energy) ). So there are two challenges: you tend to come off as "friendly" and the way you approach relationships doesn't quite work.

Your approach doesn't quite work because Virgo energy is ROUTINE energy: daily work, habits, etc. and relationships are about being different, special, etc. In addition (as was mentioned), Virgo's insistence on having a routine results in things being looked at over and over and OVER again. So Virgo energy is VERY good at analysis...which also causes challenges with relationships. Some relationships are best left UN-analyzed...but this is not normal for Virgo energy, so they analyze and criticize and...drive the other person crazy!

This doesn't HAVE to happen...it simply is very likely when Virgo energy is involved. If you are genuinely serious about getting a relationship the first step is...falling in love. And you can't control that...it just happens. After THAT you go into the other issues (holding hands, cuddling, kissing, etc.)

This is ANOTHER challenge for you, because this requires letting go of control, and with the strong focus on 8th house (transformation, also control), and a Kite (strong energy) focused on Scorpio (transformation, also control) modifying Pluto (transformation, also control) conjunct Midheaven (outer world), controlling the outer world seems natural to you. Only you can't control love. It just happens...or it doesn't. The key word here is "patience" and the next key word is "awareness". Be patient and wait for "love opportunities" and be aware when those opportunities happen.

In the meantime, if you have a goal of meeting women...you have to go to where women are! Join social organizations, hobby clubs, astrology clubs , or any other place where women meet and start listening and talking. And see how it goes!

Womanizing,

Tim

[Belgianmoonguy]

You don't have to loose your virginity at a certain age to be socially accepted...
There's no age onto it...
Some are emotionally virgin, some sexual...
I know some ppl who lost it at 18, 19, 21, and turned out just fine...
Someone even said she was glad she lost it at 19, cause if she would have done it in high school, she would be even more f*cked up... Funny is she has Venus in Virgo, just as you (on the Mc)...

So relax, enjoy life... and see what happens

[MTTY05]

Originally Posted by Sagmoon

Really, if you anything like him.. you need to relax, make less jokes, and stop being too kind to all women. if you have one, make her believe she's the only one without going and wasting your energy to communicate with all the other ones.. hope that helps..

sofy

i think i'll try this.

[MTTY05]

Originally Posted by wilsontc

MTTY,

You have Uranus (friends) focused in the 11th house (friends). You also have Saturn (ancient ruler of the 11th house) in the 11th house. This indicates that you have "friendly" energy: you like to get close but not TOO close. In addition you have Virgo modifying Venus (relationships, Venus in the sign of its fall (very challenging energy) ). So there are two challenges: you tend to come off as "friendly" and the way you approach relationships doesn't quite work.

Your approach doesn't quite work because Virgo energy is ROUTINE energy: daily work, habits, etc. and relationships are about being different, special, etc. In addition (as was mentioned), Virgo's insistence on having a routine results in things being looked at over and over and OVER again. So Virgo energy is VERY good at analysis...which also causes challenges with relationships. Some relationships are best left UN-analyzed...but this is not normal for Virgo energy, so they analyze and criticize and...drive the other person crazy!

This doesn't HAVE to happen...it simply is very likely when Virgo energy is involved. If you are genuinely serious about getting a relationship the first step is...falling in love. And you can't control that...it just happens. After THAT you go into the other issues (holding hands, cuddling, kissing, etc.)

This is ANOTHER challenge for you, because this requires letting go of control, and with the strong focus on 8th house (transformation, also control), and a Kite (strong energy) focused on Scorpio (transformation, also control) modifying Pluto (transformation, also control) conjunct Midheaven (outer world), controlling the outer world seems natural to you. Only you can't control love. It just happens...or it doesn't. The key word here is "patience" and the next key word is "awareness". Be patient and wait for "love opportunities" and be aware when those opportunities happen.

In the meantime, if you have a goal of meeting women...you have to go to where women are! Join social organizations, hobby clubs, astrology clubs , or any other place where women meet and start listening and talking. And see how it goes!

Womanizing,

Tim

Cool info man. But I was wondering...what is a kite?

[MTTY05]

Originally Posted by Belgianmoonguy

You don't have to loose your virginity at a certain age to be socially accepted...
There's no age onto it...
Some are emotionally virgin, some sexual...
I know some ppl who lost it at 18, 19, 21, and turned out just fine...
Someone even said she was glad she lost it at 19, cause if she would have done it in high school, she would be even more f*cked up... Funny is she has Venus in Virgo, just as you (on the Mc)...

So relax, enjoy life... and see what happens

I know, and I'm trying to be patient, but I'm so horny after all these years of not getting laid. I want sex and I want it NOW.

A relationship would be great too, but right now my main concern is at least to get laid as quickly as possible.

[wilsontc]

MTTY,

Kite:
http://www.drstandley.com/astrologycharts_kite.shtml

Linking,

Tim

[twiggy]

Hi Mtty

I have a similar chart to you in that I have a stellium of planets in Virgo, except they are in my 1st house. I'm a Virgo Sun, born 26 Aug 1968, also with Moon in Libra and Venus, Mercury in Virgo.

I just laugh when anything Virgo gets stereotyped as asexual, or having any problems in that department due to the charachteristics of Virgo, ie analysing too much, would rather be cleaning etc. What people forget is that Virgo belong to the Earth element along with Taurus and Capricorn, which gives us not only a healthy appetite and attitude to sex, but also a natural approach. Virgos are often mentioned as good partners for Taurus, Capricorn and alas- Scorpio. I argue it is because we can meet their appetite in said department, as well as having some depth to us that makes for lasting relationships.

Venus in Virgo may be in its fall, but personally I would't swap it with anything. It gives a steady (Earth sign) magnetism, that is flexible (in a mutable sign) easily adjusting to your partner to harmonise a relation. I also have mercury in Virgo, and yes I'm always analysing, I thrive on it. The great lesson here for a Virgo is to achive a balance of what to keep to yourself and what to express. People usually learn to rely on a Virgo's judgement so if it is used with discrimination it is a powerful tool. All this supposed over-analysing can, with an evolved Virgo, be used for constructive compliments to your partner and they will know you mean it.

What CAN cause a bit of frustration in us is that we can be very discerning and not get involved in love just for fun with just anyone! Even though our hormones are screaming one thing, something stops us to preserve an inner dignity. The crux of the matter is, We love sex as much as anyone else (I say if not more) but don't like shallow relationships. All those poking fun at Virgo's sexuality, are probably those that weren't invited to that inner sanctum.
A Virgo with the right partner makes the Earth move!

Your'e only 19. Don't let astrology hamper or make you feel that you will enjoy/have less of what is one of the most rewarding gifts God gave us, if used wisely. Instead embrace your Virgo planets as a good thing. What they mean being in the eighth house I can't speak of but I do know of having planets in Virgo, and they've been ALL FUN!

Patience, and good luck.

[Adelpha]

This is kind of trippy because I'm another person with a chart similar to yours. I was born on the 27 also, but in the early morning.

[stardust_seizures]

wow...i was born august 25th, sun/mercury/ceres in virgo, 8th house, and im sad to say ive had very little experience in that department either...
weird. but strangely comforting. my venus (square pluto) is actually in leo though, with jupiter...hmm

[Ekim86]

Ok ok lets get started here shall we. I wanted to comment your posts/chart. I have a friend that was born 5 hours and 3 minutes before you entered this world. So I think I might be able to give you some insight. Also about the virgin thing, I can relate to that and blame it on my virgo moon. My moon is in the same house as yours, the 9th. The house placement could add to the virginity thing maybeee. But prolly not entirely. My friend never had a problem with women and lost his V card at around 16 years young. He has a scorpio rising though, which prolly helped him out. A couple of factors come into mine when looking at your chart. First would be your Cappy rising sign. Women may find you to be conservative as well as men. People don't think "sex" if they get a conservative vibe from you. You may not project sex appeal to others. The next thing I would go into is the 8th house stellium in virgo. The 8th house governs sex, death, regeneration, other people resources which could equal to sex, and some other things. This virgo stellium may make you think wayyyyy to much about the people you would choose to have "relations" with. Too many reasons why you wouldn't have relations with a person. Nit picking and finding fault. You will find fault in anything if you analize it to much. I have a book on astrology that was written a good 70 years ago if not more but I find it very helpful some times. It says that others may consider you cold, heartless and repellent, unless of course venus is recieving some other warmer aspects to modify her. It says that the native is usaully fastidious about people, which translates to "hard to please or high standards." And that there may be little development of the emotional nature. You don't lack magnetism but its a different kind of magnetism from that which is usually understood by that word. Very attractive speakers have this placement and that they can express emotion without really feeling it. This positon is great for a nurse because pity and other emotions may diminish the efficency. For awhile I thought my "V-card" really caused me some problems. You feel alone, isolated from "guy" discussions, left out and questioning your worth. On the other hand I did feel very determined to accomplish alot of things when I had my V-card. I guess compensating really. Sex carrys alotttt of energy. Alot of fighters will reframe from sex a week or so before a big fight for an upper hand. I beleave you can intergrate this none tapped energy into other areas of life. I've been there dude and I have some other friends that are still there. I've had the opputunity a couple of times before I actually lost it, but made excuses. A big part of me was scared. Don't feel pressured, There are prolly alot of people out there in your situation, We are the pluto in scorpio generation. Taking things to the extremes in sex. weather it be abstine or premiscuiousness, or fecalphilia to necrophilia. Me and alot of other people thought that after they cashed there V-cards in they were like "wow, not what I expected." We glorify sex nowadays, but to tell you the truth, the real fullfillment is caring about the person and that person caring about you. The rest is "there resources" pretty much. You can't make a soul connection based stricley on sex. And relationships that build a foundation on sex don't do so well. Sorry about my rambling but there was alot to cover. If you want to know how to pick up chicks its pretty simple. Even the uglest guys can get women. First you need to adjust you appearence. Make yourself stick out from other guys. This is whats called a peacock effect. Then a simple gambit, which is an ice breaker-opening line, an example would be "yo did you see that 3 legged dog outside?" get her talking. Then continue the conversation. jump to a new topic, keep her interested. This is whats called a "set" then what you do next is drop a "neg" which is pretty much an insult, that devalues her, in a playful way of course, pretty much equal to flirting. Then finally you "kino esculate" which is physical contact. An arm touch perhaps. And there you go. Pretty simple. You want to appear none threatening to her also. Women do the same exact thing to men. There are tons of books out there on body language too. Such as women working an angle on guys, a hand threw the hair, "EYE CONTACT" and guys putting a hand in the pocket to show an interest to women. Tons of indications we sub-conciously put out and pick up on. Pick one up or google it. I'm sure as heck no player mack but I'm good at reading people. After you cash your V-card, you'll feel alot more comfortable with women. There is no contest to lose you virginity. It will happen. As my 6th grade teacher used to say "I can lead a horse to the water, but I can't make him drink." Doing nothing will get you nothing. There are some transits out there that could help bring a sexual relationship, I forget which ones, But I myself benifited from one of em Get your game on playa pimp.

[alliewar]

oh wow, a guy i really like has an identical chart. born on Sept 14 1987. Virgo sun, venus and mars all in the 8th house. I asked him out once and i told him to call me back on that day to hang out... but he never called back... which was weird, we both find each other realllly attractive, its just weird that he just cut off contact with me all of a sudden.. i don't know, maybe its some weird virgoness trait.

[Raindrops]

I have sun and venus in Virgo, but 7 planets in the 6th house...
I love to study health topics and to set goals and acheive them (I also nag ppl to death until they accomplish some goal that I've set for them, LOL).

[MTTY05]

I was doing some late-night surfing and stumbled upon this website again. I was shocked that I even remembered my username and password. It's been nearly 2 years since I first posted this thread. I was 19 when I first posted here, I'm 21 now and still a virgin. I think I'll just have to come to grips with the fact that it's very unlikely that I'll ever get any, at least not for a long time due in part to the very unfavorable cirumstances I am in right now.

Although my lack of a romantic/sex life is unfortunate and pathetic, that isn't really a main concern of mine anymore. I want to go back to school this January but the problem is that I have no idea what I want to do with my life. I don't even have any hobbies or talents! Who the hell other than me doesn't have any talents??? I'd like to go back but I don't know if it's really worth it. I might just ***** it up like I did the first time. It's not like I'm a moron or anything (or maybe I am), I just have a knack for pissing away good opportunities, and would hate to do that all over again. But I don't want to continue living life as a failure and a disgrace. Help, please.

And do I really have a kite in my chart? I have tons of planets in Virgo, Neptune and Ascendant in Capricorn, and Jupiter in Aries. It looks a lot like a grand trine triangle, but I thought all three sides would have to be in the same element. I read something where it said my Jupiter Aries opposed my Pluto in Scorpio, but I don't really think Aries and Scorpio are exact oppositions.

And Ekim86, what you said hit so close to home that I had my hands over my mouth as I read it..."others may consider you cold, heartless and repellent, unless of course venus is recieving some other warmer aspects to modify her. It says that the native is usaully fastidious about people, which translates to "hard to please or high standards." And that there may be little development of the emotional nature. You don't lack magnetism but its a different kind of magnetism from that which is usually understood by that word. Very attractive speakers have this placement and that they can express emotion without really feeling it."

Any guidance anyone can offer would be appreciated.

[nejispirit]

Originally Posted by Arian Maverick

Arian Maverick

One could say that I have "too much" Aries with the Ascendant, Sun, Moon, Mercury, and Venus all in this sign in the first house, but is this really the case? Although I associate myself strongly with this sign, I have other planets--including my chart ruler Mars--in Gemini, Capricorn, and Scorpio. Thus, extremely few people, if any, express the pure archetype of any particular sign.

Is it really possible that someone has more Aries in them than I, when it comes to personal planets/ASC !

I have an Aries sun, mercury, venus, moon...but a Virgo ascendant .

My chart ruler is of course Mercury, but of course we all have other planets in other signs, but as of how many- that's up to each individual and their "astrological makeup".

But, to whom this thread pertains to, perhaps one might have too many planets in one house- I have come across a Libran with "too many" 8th house planets, for he does not know how to "work" those energies properly yet, but for someone with a Virgo ascendant, I do not see any need to fret about having too many Virgo planets at least;

Sun, Mercury, Venus, Mars- you and I both have 4 personal planets of differing signs, mm I see they are in a stellium, very nice- my 8th house stellium is only 3 planets, not 4.

Just remember that the 8th house is not all "bad" as some people like to complain about it, for it brings both the good and bad, as any house can.

In combination with your 12th house Neptune (being Pisces's natural house and that being Pisces's planet) and your 8th house planets, I would say you would make an excellent counselor if you so choose (or anything in the Psychology field, research comes to mind when I think of Virgo so...); you and I of course are different in that you have Virgo planets and I have Aries, so I believe you would be able to detach more easily than I and give more "firm" advice when needed- fire can bring too many emotions when it comes to trying to detach, and with the 8th it only "tightens" the emotional grip at time, digging deeper and such... but with Virgo, you can step back and be "grounded".

[nejispirit]

Originally Posted by MTTY05

I know, and I'm trying to be patient, but I'm so horny after all these years of not getting laid. I want sex and I want it NOW.

A relationship would be great too, but right now my main concern is at least to get laid as quickly as possible.

Oh fellow 8th houser, I know how that goes~

I've been in positions where I am not dating someone/whatever and I have needed sex, so I find a friend and we do things, and that's that.

Maybe having my stellium conj Lilith in the 8th only heightens that, or perhaps my stellium trine Uranus but either way, my idea of sex is quite different than some others .