Moon Conjunctions

[VenusInTaurus]

Hey, I was wondering how strong Moon conjunctions are in synestry. I am currently dating someone who has an Aquarius Sun and a Capricorn Moon. I myself have a Taurus Sun and a Capricorn Moon (My Ascendant is in Aquarius). Since our Suns are square and at odds, Would the Moon conjunction be just as strong and bonding as compatible Suns?

By the way our Moons are only one degree away from each other, very intensely close conjunction.

[dreamtimez]

Moon-moon conjunction means you understand each others emotions.

[Munch]

It doesn't speak to the blending of the male/female energies and complete understanding of one another, BUT it IS very strong. Meeting someone who understands our emotional selves is invaluable.

That said, I'd be very aware of your sun's squares (are they actually square or just in signs that square one another?). Your suns are both fixed meaning there's not a lot of room to compromise what you want. What's more is that of all of the square signs, earth/air can be one of the hardest combos to overcome as they have no basis for meeting. Air wears earth down and earth at it's absolute best, is only capable of blending with air in a manner that is destructive, like a sand storm.

In other words, you want to make sure that there are other harmonizing factors in the chart as well. At least if it comes down to presenting your case to each other there is little chance of it getting blown out of proportion. Your moons are logical and orderly. You'll be able to work through sun square issues if you fall back on this and are willing to recognize that though you both will make very strong arguments to support your cause (whatever it may be) it will have to be give and take. Chances are that compromise will be had by doing it all partner A's way one time and then all partner B's the next. I don't see either of you going havsies with this sun sign combo.

[VenusInTaurus]

Originally Posted by dreamtimez

Moon-moon conjunction means you understand each others emotions.

But is this enough to sustain a long term relationship We also have Mercury trines (Mercury in Capricorn and Mercury in Taurus)

I basically want to know if Moon Conjunctions are as strong in a relationship as lets say Sun conjunctions

[VenusInTaurus]

Originally Posted by Munch

It doesn't speak to the blending of the male/female energies and complete understanding of one another, BUT it IS very strong. Meeting someone who understands our emotional selves is invaluable.

That said, I'd be very aware of your sun's squares (are they actually square or just in signs that square one another?). Your suns are both fixed meaning there's not a lot of room to compromise what you want. What's more is that of all of the square signs, earth/air can be one of the hardest combos to overcome as they have no basis for meeting. Air wears earth down and earth at it's absolute best, is only capable of blending with air in a manner that is destructive, like a sand storm.

In other words, you want to make sure that there are other harmonizing factors in the chart as well. At least if it comes down to presenting your case to each other there is little chance of it getting blown out of proportion. Your moons are logical and orderly. You'll be able to work through sun square issues if you fall back on this and are willing to recognize that though you both will make very strong arguments to support your cause (whatever it may be) it will have to be give and take. Chances are that compromise will be had by doing it all partner A's way one time and then all partner B's the next. I don't see either of you going havsies with this sun sign combo.

Our Suns are in Squaring signs I'm not sure if they are in actual square since my Sun is in 29 degrees Taurus so I assume it's in square with Sun in 02 degrees Aquarius.

Also like I said My Ascendant is in 4 degrees Aquarius conjunct the Aqua Sun.

[Munch]

Unfortunately, that is not an anwer that I can give. It can not be stressed enough that one aspect can not make or break or sustain a relationship. It is the full interplay of energy that is important.

For instance, a moon to moon conjunction in Cancer will be extremely powerful. Why? Because the moons are both in strong dignity.

However, say two moons in Capricorn (like the two of you) and it's another story. You two relate beautifully, but your moons are weak, they are not going to be able to support the entire relationship do to their debility. Thus you'll need other harmonizing factors. It also depends on how the moons are aspected. Negative aspects to two strong moons could kill the bond, positive aspects to two weak moons could elevate them to new heights.

[Munch]

Originally Posted by VenusInTaurus

Our Suns are in Squaring signs I'm not sure if they are in actual square since my Sun is in 29 degrees Taurus so I assume it's in square with Sun in 02 degrees Aquarius.

Also like I said My Ascendant is in 4 degrees Aquarius conjunct the Aqua Sun.

Sorry, I just saw this.

They are not square. In fact, this could work well for you! (See, it really does make all the difference to have all of the info) With your Taurus sun at 29 degrees, you are a good deal Geminian as well. This makes you a little more Airy and in fact puts your sun signs trine. How's that for awesome news! I think your suns and moons will support each other quite well. This could work marvelously!

Just be sure to read the whole chart!

[VenusInTaurus]

Originally Posted by Munch

Unfortunately, that is not an anwer that I can give. It can not be stressed enough that one aspect can not make or break or sustain a relationship. It is the full interplay of energy that is important.

For instance, a moon to moon conjunction in Cancer will be extremely powerful. Why? Because the moons are both in strong dignity.

However, say two moons in Capricorn (like the two of you) and it's another story. You two relate beautifully, but your moons are weak, they are not going to be able to support the entire relationship do to their debility. Thus you'll need other harmonizing factors. It also depends on how the moons are aspected. Negative aspects to two strong moons could kill the bond, positive aspects to two weak moons could elevate them to new heights.

I disagree with that statement only because I feel that a conjunction is a conjunction no matter what sign it's in. Meaning a conjunction is a powerful aspect regardless. Now of coarse it may be a little more potent in Cancer because of the emotional nature of the sign. There is a Mercury-Moon conjunction between us as well.

[Munch]

You are certainly free to disagree! We all practice differently.

I base my reasoning on (as stated) dignities. Remember that this is an actual interplay between your natal energies. These energies do not change just because it is being read in a synastry chart. Therefore weak dignity is still weak dignity.

The bond between two weak planets that are conjunct, will be strong. The manner in which they operate may not be.

[sandstone]

moon sign compatibility - in the same sign or the same element is very good in many ways, especially for people who want to live together... our day to day habits are symbolically represented by the moon.. i have found that moon sign compatibility is a good place to look to see if the folks are capable of actually living together.. on its own without looking at the rest of the chart, a moon conjunction is generally a positive connection implying one is in sync on an important level with another person..

i think one has to ask, is it the sign that takes dominance, or is it an aspect that takes dominance when you try to work out the astrology between two people.. planets can be square by sign, but be in a trine relationship by degree.. it can then become a question of is it a fixed, cardinal or mutable sign square that one is viewing this trine aspect from... cardinal and mutable it probably doesn't matter as much as fixed... if this is combined with a fixed moon conjunction, it could suggest a degree of inflexibility on certain issues that would make for more tension.. these are all just random considerations that i would be making when looking at two charts and the compatibility... the best way to know is to experience it first hand in the living of it.. having a pronounced degree of "emotional" insight would help too...

just reading your post now i see you have ascendant in the sun sign of this person... that is a positive connection that suggests compatibility on its own as well... it would help to know there ascendant.. you might at some point play off the square in your own chart - sun in taurus to ascendant in aq with this person depending on how conscious you are... they play the aq role and you play the taurus role... that is where it can get more interesting/challenging.. the moon signs are in your favour on that one!

[Munch]

I absolutely agree Sandstone. Well stated.

[waybread]

Originally Posted by VenusInTaurus

Our Suns are in Squaring signs I'm not sure if they are in actual square since my Sun is in 29 degrees Taurus so I assume it's in square with Sun in 02 degrees Aquarius.

Also like I said My Ascendant is in 4 degrees Aquarius conjunct the Aqua Sun.

I would count this aspect as a trine. Lucky you. Hellenistic astrology determined aspect by sign, but modern astrology goes by the degrees. Some astrologers discount an aspect if it is out-of-sign, but I wouldn't.

Think about it this way. At 2 degrees Aquarius, your sun is hardly out of Capricorn. A planet in late Capricorn would trine a planet in late Taurus. I say this is a trine with a 3-4 degree orb. However, it won't be as easy-flowing as if your suns were in the same element. Aquarius is more mental (air) whereas Taurus is more material/practical (earth.)

But here's the test: how well do you get along? Do your egos or core senses of identity clash? Or does this girl basically seem like a really good friend, beyond the romantic interest?

Moon-moon conjunctions are very positive and powerful. But again, look at the degrees. You can give yourself a 10-12 degree orb.

[sandstone]

munch - thanks!

i share waybreads sentiment in thinking close aspects trump sign position in square.. the devil is in the details... how wide do you allow an orb to be is one of the eternal questions that has plagued modern astrology.. a better question might be, "do you consider aspects as having equal footing with signs" as a means of reading a chart? and, we haven't even got round to talking about houses, lol...

[Munch]

Indeed. I pointed out that he had a trine to his partner as well. I guess that got missed somehow.

[Claire19]

Originally Posted by VenusInTaurus

Hey, I was wondering how strong Moon conjunctions are in synestry. I am currently dating someone who has an Aquarius Sun and a Capricorn Moon. I myself have a Taurus Sun and a Capricorn Moon (My Ascendant is in Aquarius). Since our Suns are square and at odds, Would the Moon conjunction be just as strong and bonding as compatible Suns?

By the way our Moons are only one degree away from each other, very intensely close conjunction.

Although conjunct Moons is a good aspect your Taurus Sun does well with his Capricorn Moon if in aspect. Being Earth element it lends practicality and realism. Capricorn Moons tend not to be demonstrative and can be status conscious, rather proper and disciplined to the detrimental of other things. Sun 29 Taurus is trine to Sun 2 degrees Aquarius but being out of sign it is weaker. So another good point.

THere are many other factors to take into consideration, Venus Mars Mercury contacts. Saturn for endurance or significance. Nodal contacts etc. If he has nothing in your 7th house then there is not likely to be a partnership. Same with the 5th for love and romance. If you post your charts we can comment further. Anonymous of course. It is a complex issue and the composite chart is much better for delineating THE relationship dynamics.

[Claire19]

Originally Posted by sandstone

munch - thanks!

i share waybreads sentiment in thinking close aspects trump sign position in square.. the devil is in the details... how wide do you allow an orb to be is one of the eternal questions that has plagued modern astrology.. a better question might be, "do you consider aspects as having equal footing with signs" as a means of reading a chart? and, we haven't even got round to talking about houses, lol...

IN synastry and composites I use a smaller orb of no more than 3 degrees and maybe 4 with the Sun and Moon but certainly no more.
I think that squares are more likely to be noticed as they need to be worked on and can promote growth and strength. Yes houses are important for sure as the emphasis will be on that particular area of life if there are planets there especially in composite.

i.e. 3rd house emphasis can mean just friends, neighbours or study mates.

i.e. 6th house emphasis means working together, perhaps flatmates or even servants.

[Claire19]

Originally Posted by waybread

I would count this aspect as a trine. Lucky you. Hellenistic astrology determined aspect by sign, but modern astrology goes by the degrees. Some astrologers discount an aspect if it is out-of-sign, but I wouldn't.

Think about it this way. At 2 degrees Aquarius, your sun is hardly out of Capricorn. A planet in late Capricorn would trine a planet in late Taurus. I say this is a trine with a 3-4 degree orb. However, it won't be as easy-flowing as if your suns were in the same element. Aquarius is more mental (air) whereas Taurus is more material/practical (earth.)

But here's the test: how well do you get along? Do your egos or core senses of identity clash? Or does this girl basically seem like a really good friend, beyond the romantic interest?

Moon-moon conjunctions are very positive and powerful. But again, look at the degrees. You can give yourself a 10-12 degree orb.

I dont give 10-12 degrees, no way, with compatibilities. I dont even use that wide an orb natally.

We can over-analyse it all to death and really the couple just has to work it all out in their own way. Sometimes the more challenging aspects keep us together as it is something to be worked on. We need some ease and compatibilities to get us together but it is never perfect or all beer and skittles.

I have had enormous compatibilties with some people, looking at our charts, but it takes just some kind of problem and we dont get together for the long term.

[sandstone]

for long term relationships - saturn is going to be the glue to make it stick... no saturn connections - no glue.. pain in the ***, but that is just the way i see it, lol...

[VenusInTaurus]

Originally Posted by waybread

I would count this aspect as a trine. Lucky you. Hellenistic astrology determined aspect by sign, but modern astrology goes by the degrees. Some astrologers discount an aspect if it is out-of-sign, but I wouldn't.

Think about it this way. At 2 degrees Aquarius, your sun is hardly out of Capricorn. A planet in late Capricorn would trine a planet in late Taurus. I say this is a trine with a 3-4 degree orb. However, it won't be as easy-flowing as if your suns were in the same element. Aquarius is more mental (air) whereas Taurus is more material/practical (earth.)

But here's the test: how well do you get along? Do your egos or core senses of identity clash? Or does this girl basically seem like a really good friend, beyond the romantic interest?

Moon-moon conjunctions are very positive and powerful. But again, look at the degrees. You can give yourself a 10-12 degree orb.

Actually I'm the Sun in Taurus person but as far as getting along goes we get along great! My Sun is also conjunct he Ascendant in Taurus so there is common ground

The square is still felt and very obvious to me anyways but I've learned to deal with them as I have many squares in my own natal chart. Though it does get irritating sometimes.

Our Moons are one degree away from each other.

[VenusInTaurus]

Originally Posted by sandstone

for long term relationships - saturn is going to be the glue to make it stick... no saturn connections - no glue.. pain in the ***, but that is just the way i see it, lol...

Both our Saturns are in Aquarius

[Munch]

VIT, are you two the same age. Saturn's place by sign is semi generational, so it actually should be contacting a personal planet or two in order to glue anything.

[sandstone]

munch has it right... you are probably same age, young and impetuous.. all good, but very young non the less.. have fun! don't worry about the saturn, or any of it!! have a good time and if you find you are still sticking with one another then it means you also have something exciting going for being with one another more long term..

a certain level of maturity has to be in place for a relationship to get to a level of commitment that reflects the deep love one can have for another person... i suppose i am being philosophical in my mid 50's...

[waybread]

Aw, sandstone-- we know you're a kid at heart!

[Munch]

Originally Posted by sandstone

a certain level of maturity has to be in place for a relationship to get to a level of commitment that reflects the deep love one can have for another person... i suppose i am being philosophical in my mid 50's...

This makes me chuckle a little inside. This is exactly how I think at age 31. What does this make me? Oh yeah, a Capricorn woman. hehe.

[sandstone]

one's age is really a state of mind.. i like to acknowledge the little kid inside everyone regardless of age.. here on the net it is easier to see as one doesn't usually know how old the person is they are talking to and that is mostly a liberating thing! it doesn't matter anyway! well, the longer you live the more experience you have, or you have time to reflect on what happened in the past which is different then when you are young i suppose... maybe that is where the possibility of some wisdom entering the picture comes in.. people can be incredibly wise at a very young age.. much wiser then some old geezer sometimes! i am definitely not age prejudiced... we all having some unique insight to share with one another..

common connections like one persons sun on another's moon and vice versa( like munch and vit perhaps?), or nice venus connections to sun or moon are positive and really help.. or maybe a favourable jupiter connection to a light(sun/moon)... but in the end, i think the saturn connections are very important.. one will often see a saturn to sun connection in charts of couples... liz greene wrote a great book that goes into a discussion on the saturn cross aspects that i found to be extremely insightful...

moon to moon conjunction is a good thing i think, but so much in astrology depends on everything else..