Blind Rectification.

[Senator]

Hello Dear members,,,

The chart below belongs to a woman who I admire and love here, Not the romantic love but I really wish the best for her and want to introduce to her a very accurate astrological analysis for free as a gift... And finally I got her birth date and I told her that I will make a report for her.

Unfortunately she don't know the exact time of birth, And of course I need it for an accurate analysis....

So, I had to go and use my experience depending on some very few things I know about her Which are:
1. She own a pharmacy (two pharmacies in fact but one is closed).
2. She is working in her pharmacy by her self, Depending sometimes on a young girl
or boy to assist her if she goes anywhere during her day, and these assistance is
not prominent i.e Some days she closes the pharmacy 2 hours in the afternoon
for lunch or so..
3. She is a beautiful very well educated woman with a cute face and she is a short
person but her body is great.
4. She treats her body and take care of diet issues.
5. She has 3 very beautiful daughters.
6. No man in her life, Her husband was the owner of the pharmacies but I don't
see him since 2 years or so..., I think they separated in someway... His
health was not good.
7. She tries her best to educate her children and she helps them in their study
and transportation by her car from a place to another.
8. She likes the blue color.
9. Despite of being Aquarius (Freedom) but she is tied to a daily routine more
than 12 hours/day she is there in her pharmacy (one place)
10. She is making good money and her expenses are high too.
11. She is extremely intelligent, and she depends on her self completely
and she has a very strong personality and courage.
12. She is a light hearted woman many of her customers like to speak with her
while they purchase and she can speak with them about general issues.
13. She is very fast in her motion.
14. She is Christian.
15. When she want to appear serious, She appears very very serious.
and with me, she is serious, so serious.
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Really... I am attracted to this woman and for those of you who will see my chart will discover a very attractive synastry between us.

I get all my things from her pharmacy since 5 years just to show her that I am interested in her.

She always interact with me so seriously and she never give me the chance to oben a conversation with her....

Until I gathered my courage and asked her about her birth date yesterday and she gave it to me and she accepted my offer to give her an astrological analysis.

Without knowing the time... I went to:
http://www.astrofaces.com/astrofaces/index.html

To begin with.... And The Virgo/Gemini/Sagittarius Ascendants proved to fit with her Shape, and when I put Virgo on her AC I found that her exalted Saturn is in her 6th. house which fits her daily routine despite of being Aquarius who craves for freedom.

Any comment to this thread will be highly appreciated, and I am ready to answer all your questions... Let us take it as a training and determine her exact AC degree.

Also I would like to know the significance of her Mercury in an exact conjunction with her south node in Capricorn.

Thank you in advance

[waybread]

with an unknown birth time, it is probably best if you input the time as "unknown". It will give you a noon default birth time, but no house cusps. Notice how real the house cusps (with aspects, no less) look on your posted chart, yet they could be totally way off.

The moon seems to have changed signs on her birth date, so you may be able to get a feel for whether her emotional nature seems more Cancer or Leo.

Without houses, you will lose some interpretation. But that is better than giving an erroneous reading.

There are methods of chart rectification but most of them are so time consuming that you might want to pay a professional astrologer to work through them. Many of the methods go by the timing of life events, rather than the person's personality traits.

[dr. farr]

But, one can go on the appearance and personality traits of the person, in attempting to make an estimate re to sign/house of the ascendant; this is actually what was done pretty commonly up to the late Reformation times (around Lily's time-his contemporary Blagrave expounded on this method, and turned horary chart ascendants to match the appearance and/or apparent "personality" of the querent)
One thing for sure: when you choose the characteristic physical appearance and/or dominant personality characteristics of the person, wherever in the (unknown) birth chart that sign might have been, the REALITY is that it in fact TOOK (hence the development of that person in conformity with characteristics of that sign) So if one uses that as the putative ascending sign, and then turns the 12 Noon chart for that day (and place) of birth to make that sign the ascendant, at least you know that the sign is of maximum importance because the person has turned out LIKE that sign!

[Senator]

[QUOTE=waybread;354245]

The moon seems to have changed signs on her birth date, so you may be able to get a feel for whether her emotional nature seems more Cancer or Leo.

I guess you mean Cancer/Gemini... Yes I do feel that her emotional nature is more Cancerous than Gemini.

Also her attitude as a mother seems more Cancer than Gemini moon mother.

Without houses, you will lose some interpretation. But that is better than giving an erroneous reading.

Of course I will loose a great deal of info, That's why I want to determine her AC degree badly. To be able to give a rich and valuable report.

Many of the methods go by the timing of life events, rather than the person's personality traits.

I agree with you completely...But also unfortunately I don't have any special date I can depend on.

Anyway... Thank you waybread So much for your intervention...

Do you see that I am getting near using this timing below?

[Senator]

Originally Posted by dr. farr

One thing for sure: when you choose the characteristic physical appearance and/or dominant personality characteristics of the person, wherever in the (unknown) birth chart that sign might have been, the REALITY is that it in fact TOOK (hence the development of that person in conformity with characteristics of that sign) So if one uses that as the putative ascending sign, and then turns the 12 Noon chart for that day (and place) of birth to make that sign the ascendant, at least you know that the sign is of maximum importance because the person has turned out LIKE that sign!

Make sense Dr.farr....
It is a hard task but I am so willing to adjust her exact degree, in fact I will use all my experience and readings and other members opinions to achieve that.

What do you think about South node conjunct mercury?

[waybread]

Unfortunately a lot of astrological descriptions of rising signs were written by and for people of European descent, where there is more variation in hair and eye colour. I note that this individual born in Egypt, where most people would have dark hair and eyes, for example.

I am sceptical of using appearance as a means of chart rectification, because when I was just learning astrology I didn't know my birth time but had my chart read by a local astrologer. She guessed my rising sign as Leo, based on my appearance. After I studied chart rectification methods (the handbook I had went mostly by timing life events to transits and progressions) I thought it was probably in early Libra. Then I found a version of my birth certificate in my mother's old papers that had the birth time. Turns out I have Virgo rising. It's in a late degree, so early Libra wasn't far off degree-wise, but it changed a lot of things about my chart interpretation.

You also have to consider how planets interact with the ASC and first house.

I may appear typically Virgo in how I come across to other people, yet my physical appearance is anything but, thanks to a square from Uranus to my ASC! I note that your subject has Uranus and Pluto in Virgo, which are antithetical to the nature of this sign. Pluto in the first house should create some intensity. Uranus on the AC can make for people whose hair is unusual in some way.

I think rather than going so much by physical appearance (which has a lot to do with ethnicity and family genetics) you could look at this woman's manner of expression.

One thing you should be able to do is get a sense of whether your pharmacist's moon is in Cancer or Gemini, as these signs are quite different, and the moon changed signs on her birth date. A Cancer moon is incredibly strong, with a deeply emotional, feeling nature. A Gemini moon would appreciate a lighter touch, and appreciate a lot of different topics and interests. This would narrow your search hours somewhat.

I would also suggest that you do some synastry with your own chart. This woman has obviously made a big impression on you, and as you look for planets with inter-aspects, this may explain why.

Otherwise, just learn to read charts without houses. Sometimes you just can't get accurate birth data.