Let's talk about Kalasarpa Dosha

[retinoid]

So somebody on this board said that I have a 'partial kalasarpa dosha' due to my Jupiter (2nd house) being out of the axis of rahu and ketu (where my other 6 planets reside in the 6th and 8th houses)....Which will cause me extreme amounts of hurdles and that I have to surrender to god (he mentioned sufism so I assume Allah?)...

Well...let's look at this LOGICALLY. For one, the classical indian astrological texts NEVER mentioned Kalasarpa Dosha. So if this was such a powerful planetary set up where it can cause complete misery, then WHY was this never mentioned prior to the 20th century? This person said the classical texts never mentioned autism either...well this isn't something that the classical astrologers wouldn't have heard of like autism or cerebral palsy. Horrible comparison!

Furthermore, partial Kalasarpa dosha isn't clearly defined...some say mars and saturn are in the same houses as ketu and rahu, or that one planet is out of the axis or that 2 planets are out of the axis...

With that being said...let's use some logic. Around 30-40% of people will have either a Kalasarpa Dosha or partial Kalasarpa Dosha. Which means this Dosha condemns a host of people to misery...again though...it was never mentioned in classical indian astrological texts.

Ghandi had a partial kalasarpa dosha...maybe he wasn't able to do everything he wanted to do, but he was instrumental in the independence of india. The late prime minister of india (Jawaharlal Nehru) had a full kalasarpa dosha. Doesn't sound like this dosha is very effective? It is effective in producing money for remedies though...considering so many people have a form of it! Hillary and Bill Clinton both have partial kalasarpa doshas (all planets to one side of ketu/rahu except 1 (bill) and 2 (hillary)).

This is my problem with Vedic astrology as opposed to western, it concocts some crazy BS that condemns people to complete poverty/hell where no logic backs it up. Obviously this form of thinking in vedic astrology is from the 'caste' days where if people were born to specific parents they were horrible or wonderful in their past lives and should be treated as such.

[aq17]

The Devil is in the details and it takes some patience to get in the nitty-gritties.

1. First of all - it is not a Dosha or anomaly, Kal-Sarpa is considered a Yoga or 'a placement' among those who believe in its effects. A yoga will give strong positive effect as well.

2. Rahu or North Node is considered the mouth of the Snake and South Node or Ketu the tail.

3. Rahu and Ketu move clockwise while rest of the planets counter clockwise.

4. The planets - if they are on one side of Rahu and Ketu they may be totally out of the "body" of the snake - Hence The effects would be very different.

5. Many believe a partial yoga exists and depending on the Vimshottari Dasha [cycle] the effects are experienced for the afflicted planet[s].

6. Theory - Planets are lords of the Zodiacs. Gods in various forms are lords of these planets (for example Dark Lord Bhairava, a fierce form of Shiva is the Lord of Rahu and Ketu). One Nirakara [formless GOD] created this all. Call him GOD/Allah/flying spaghetti monster. Prayers bring positive effects in life- One may pray to FSM or other imaginary friend of adults if it helps.

7. Ancient texts are great, So are the rules of Lal Kitab - relatively new form of astrology and then there are systems like KP - which has strong Vedic foundations. Learning never stops. Please follow the school of astrology you are comfortable with.

[retinoid]

Originally Posted by aq17

2. Rahu or North Node is considered the mouth of the Snake and South Node or Ketu the tail.


4. The planets - if they are on one side of Rahu and Ketu they may be totally out of the "body" of the snake - Hence The effects would be very different.

5. Many believe a partial yoga exists and depending on the Vimshottari Dasha [cycle] the effects are experienced for the afflicted planet[s].

6. Theory - Planets are lords of the Zodiacs. Gods in various forms are lords of these planets (for example Dark Lord Bhairava, a fierce form of Shiva is the Lord of Rahu and Ketu). One Nirakara [formless GOD] created this all. Call him GOD/Allah/flying spaghetti monster. Prayers bring positive effects in life- One may pray to FSM or other imaginary friend of adults if it helps.

7. Ancient texts are great, So are the rules of Lal Kitab - relatively new form of astrology and then there are systems like KP - which has strong Vedic foundations. Learning never stops. Please follow the school of astrology you are comfortable with.

WHY isn't this seemingly important yoga mentioned by any of the venerated people of indian astrology?

WHY does this yoga have such controversy?

WHY don't partial kalasarpa yogas have any clear defined definitions (mars/saturn opposite, one planet out of axis, two planets out of axis)? Anybody could have it then...Indeed some people are conflicted over whether a partial kalasarpa yoga exists at all...

WHY are so many important and successful people 'afflicted' with this yoga? (Ghandi, first prime minister of india, bill clinton, hillary clinton)?

These questions should be answered considering this 'yoga' afflicts around 30%+ of the population and is causing untold misery...

[aq17]

Asking why Kal-Sarpa yoga were not mentioned in ancient texts is like asking why Trolls were not a subject of Leonado da Vinci's paintings! Well, in a way, they were - the famous “Grotesque” series is the proof!

Rahu and Ketu are just two 'imaginary' points - they are not physical bodies, but they were given as much importance as other heavenly bodies in ancient texts- is this not proof enough!

Yes Kal-Sarpa yoga - specially the partial ones may be found in good percentages. Who says a person with this placement will not at all be famous/rich or both? but most struggle and can't succeed without solid supporting placements and dash [periods] of those planets.

The Panch Maha-purusha yoga [five great native placements] and other Maha-yoga [ruchak,shash, malavya, raj-hamsa etc.] are also found in very high percentage, so does Mangalik Dosha but they also affect the native to different degrees- depending on lot many other factors. This is not uncommon!

This is the reason that the relative and absolute strengths of planets, aspects, cycles (and sub-sub-sub-sub cycles), transits, AshTak-Varga Charts, Divisional charts are also studied in great details.

[retinoid]

Originally Posted by aq17

Asking why Kal-Sarpa yoga were not mentioned in ancient texts is like asking why Trolls were not a subject of Leonado da Vinci's paintings! Well, in a way, they were - the famous “Grotesque” series is the proof!

Rahu and Ketu are just two 'imaginary' points - they are not physical bodies, but they were given as much importance as other heavenly bodies in ancient texts- is this not proof enough!

Yes Kal-Sarpa yoga - specially the partial ones may be found in good percentages. Who says a person with this placement will not at all be famous/rich or both? but most struggle and can't succeed without solid supporting placements and dash [periods] of those planets.

The Panch Maha-purusha yoga [five great native placements] and other Maha-yoga [ruchak,shash, malavya, raj-hamsa etc.] are also found in very high percentage, so does Mangalik Dosha but they also affect the native to different degrees- depending on lot many other factors. This is not uncommon!

This is the reason that the relative and absolute strengths of planets, aspects, cycles (and sub-sub-sub-sub cycles), transits, AshTak-Varga Charts, Divisional charts are also studied in great details.

Kal-Sarpa should have been mentioned somewhere before the late 1900's if it was so important...

Furthermore, MOST people who are rich/powerful on their own merit had to struggle. This doesn't give evidence for a nefarious planetary configuration negatively influencing them.

Kal-Sarpa is SO bad that it literally negates ALL benefics and makes the person in dire straights throughout life. With no mention of this in any greatly respected work and there being NO sternly set rules for the partial Kal-Sapa (which some say doesn't even exist). It is just ridiculous...