Karma clash!? Big issue in my life

[Changabang]

Heeey fellowship of the RING!, H a p p y N e w Y e a r in advance, hope your dreams transcend the ZODIAC next year...

...and taking my christmas gift for granted (from you), let me take-accept a little bit from your vast astro wisdom..I´ve been in a bit of distress lately, on Nov 25 i received an invitation to join in a business partnership (with a Capricorn fellow), everything started quickly, first day of activity was December 3, and all seemed to be going as in every new venture, things and people adjust to each other as days pass, but on December 21 i had a SUPERBIG DISCUSSION with this person, all based on rumors from a third or something like that, the thing is he threated me but still he wanted for us to go on with plans, but i opted to finish the relationship, not without flagging a possible lawsuit, all in all he is a family man, well known for his fair deals but from my background in TAROT pretty much a pathological liar,obsesive, manipulative and a coward.

My concern comes from some dreadful dreams me and my girlfriend had maybe from this PLUTONIAN energy around i don´t know, but hey this is the thing, can you give me an insight on what could be brewing or if i have to prepare a defense..as always thanks to all

pd.this was a real good gig

[kimbermoon]

Originally Posted by Changabang

Heeey fellowship of the RING!, H a p p y N e w Y e a r in advance, hope your dreams transcend the ZODIAC next year...

on Nov 25 i received an invitation to join in a business partnership (with a Capricorn fellow), everything started quickly, first day of activity was December 3, and all seemed to be going as in every new venture, things and people adjust to each other as days pass, but on December 21 i had a SUPERBIG DISCUSSION with this person, all based on rumors from a third or something like that, the thing is he threated me but still he wanted for us to go on with plans, but i opted to finish the relationship,
... can you give me an insight on what could be brewing or if i have to prepare a defense..as always thanks to all

With Saturn in opposition to Jupiter/neptune in your chart this resounds of a karmic set-up :
Saturn = delays, setbacks, disappointments, losses
Jupiter with Neptune = potential deceptions, betrayals, slander, disillusionment;
Venus/Mars also sets up personality clashes: with the Lunar Nodes involved in this opposition this often implies an interception with destiny.


When you began this drama, Mercury was stationing retrograde and this is often considered not the right time for beginning business deals; and then on the 25th Jupiter turned direct opposing natal Saturn: this definitely sounds like a planetary set-up.


I rely more on transits to determine what may be brewing; with Pluto approaching the 7th house cusp [partnerships] this refers to upcoming upheavals and power clashes as well. Saturn moving through your 4th house is suggestive of new cycles of development to begin.
Uranus is near the MC showing a tendency towards destabilization in career or professional activities. Jupiter through Taurus for the next year shows the necessity of avoiding overindulgence or the squandering of resources...this will be a time for people to re-evaluate their material priorities with the need to reset their beliefs about money and security.


As a heads-up: the pursuit of a lawsuit in the near future may not yield the results you desire, with Neptune now returning to its own sign influence of Pisces [secrets, mysteries and delusions]. Be especially vigilant around the 21st of February when the Sun also moves into Pisces and the Dark moon triggers your Saturn/Neptune opposition.


Also pay attention to the oppositional Mars cycle with Mars now moving through Virgo and your 3rd house of mental activity [the Mind]...Virgo demands diligence and mental control but can also set up false worries and feelings of insecurity...Just here to help.

[astrologer50]

How to find your career- sticky in Vocational Forum
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32775
please give some background ie: education, aspirations, options

first thing I notice was prog sun is conjunct natal pluto

Progressed Sun conjunct Pluto
"The Sun illuminates regeneration needs when in relation to Pluto. This aspect indicates intense experiences which will not allow you to operate only at the surface level. In the Progressed chart, it can set the stage for major changes in your life that would have long-lasting effects. On the other hand it could just motivate you to repair something that has broken down, such as a car, an appliance, a relationship, or someone's health. You will get deeply involved in whatever you do now, as Pluto works from deep within your psyche."
http://www.cafeastrology.com/progres...tsaspects.html

prog solar arc Asc is conj natal sun, giving your solar energies an outlet or expression..

Ruler of the Tenth House in the Eighth House

Your main profession or your attitude towards it can go through a complete change. Your feelings about authority figures or even about being in a position of authority yourself will change. Your career may be related to some kind of research, other people's resources, or even the metaphysical realm
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology...ships.htm#hr10

Career options are assessed by MC any planets conjunct, where the ruler of MC is placed, it’s aspects, then 2nd house ‘how you earn your money’ and planets there, ruler of cusp and where it’s placed, then 6th house of ‘type of work you do’ any planets there and how they are aspected.

Researching rulers of houses will help you understand more where I joining the dots so to speak
http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/rulersofhousesinhouses.html
http://www.trans4mind.com/personal_development/astrology/LearningAstrology/housesDerived.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivative_house
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/houserulerships.htm


I don't see saturn opp jup/neptune as majorly karmic for deceptions and disillusions. Wherever saturn is points to father, karma and where we 'lack confidence' and have to work a bit harder.
As your saturn is within 5' orb of 12th house cusp it's considered more effective in the next house along (providing TOB is correct of course)

See which you indentify with....

Saturn in the 11th house
· Hard to obtain goals and objectives but they can be attained if the person will be patient and willing to work. Have to earn everything with this position of Saturn. If it is done the rewards are great, and life gets better as it advances.
· Many acquaintances, but few intimates.
· An unrecognised fear of the demands made due to friendship.
· Attracted to older people. Saturn may delay but does not deny objectives.
· You will have a strong sense of responsibility towards friendships, groups and team work. You will seek to know important people in order to advance your status and self ­confidence by taking notice of their wise advise. You will be cautious concerning your own principles.
· Social standing very important.
· These people either keep themselves to themselves or overcome their shyness by joining societies in which social life is centred around a purpose, sometimes political. Friends are often older and more experienced.

Saturn in the 12th house
· Serve or suffer are the keynotes here and the individual can choose which way he will take: but choose he must. Always a subconscious wish to retreat.
· Craving for solitude. Great sensitivity.
· A deep seated selfishness has to be dissolved through suffering.
· These people need a sense of inner purpose and make good behind the scenes organisers. They often suffer from an inexplicable fear of authority or concern about the future, and should find a way to develop self‑confidence.
· Capable of bringing stability into other people’s lives, by helping and organising those less fortunate than yourself.
· Don’t like to acknowledge figures of authority (including parental)

As mars is the main significator of Career placed in 8th it's aspects need careful looking at. Whilst oppositions tend to 'others' I don't consider it majorly malific OR problematic when connected to Nodes (life's Lessons) These lessons are not necessarily connected to career or work though...

Venus in Opposition to Mars
Something about your appearance has a magnetic quality that attracts the attention of other people. You'll get more of what you really want if you aren't afraid of letting others know exactly what it is that you desire.
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology....htm#naveaspma

Now when T Uranus gets to 3' Pisces end Feb 2012 this could bring something new, exciting, unconventional, or worse case some disruptions to plans. T Saturn has been in your 4th house for a long time, so i don't see this as problematic. Thing with transits are, they all act as background influences until they make an aspect to another planet or angle ie: Asc/MC

Middle March 2012 T Pluto gets to your 7th house cusp of partnerships, but the good news is that it will make and easy trine 120' aspect to your natal mercury. so I see this as possible good news and communications connected to partnerships

[astrologer50]

Just notice your natal mars is retrograde, which has problems taking actions and may lesson the harder effects of the opposition..

North Node in Aquarius in 8th house, is learning to come away from ego and self of Leo and need for being centre of attention, and moving towards transformation through independence, joint finances/resources. to learn about humanitarianism, friendships and also 'other people's values, beliefs' as opposed to your own in the 2nd house. usually we don't start reaching for N Node til mid life

Now mars conj North Node is about taking appropriate action espec in career as mars rules MC.

North node
http://www.cafeastrology.com/northnodesouthnode.html
http://www.astrologycom.com/nodes.html
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/astrology-articles/north-node-karma.php
http://moonvalleyastrologer.com/moon_nodes.htm
http://northnodeastrology.blogspot.com/search/label/North%20Node%20and%20the%20Quest%20for%20the%20Aut hentic%20Self
http://www.north-node.com/astrology-tutorials/nodes

you could always try asking a horary question on this matter OR doing a tarot reading..

[Changabang]

Hello ASTROLOGER50! Happy New Year!, to you too KIMBERMOON!
....

about SATURN: THIS IS ME

Saturn in the 11th house
· Hard to obtain goals and objectives but they can be attained if the person will be patient and willing to work. Have to earn everything with this position of Saturn. If it is done the rewards are great, and life gets better as it advances.
· Many acquaintances, but few intimates.
· An unrecognised fear of the demands made due to friendship.
· Attracted to older people. Saturn may delay but does not deny objectives.
· You will have a strong sense of responsibility towards friendships, groups and team work. You will seek to know important people in order to advance your status and self *confidence by taking notice of their wise advise. You will be cautious concerning your own principles.
· Social standing very important.
· These people either keep themselves to themselves or overcome their shyness by joining societies in which social life is centred around a purpose, sometimes political. Friends are often older and more experienced.

WITH THIS:

VERY HANDSOME

...no, really with this:

Capable of bringing stability into other people’s lives, by helping and organising those less fortunate than yourself.

..today JAN 2 i went to see a lawyer, just to ask for advice, around the time the moon conj jupiter, and believe it...his assistant , a very fine woman told me her husband was a high chief in the center where i had the issue!!!!!!, and she gladly offered me help ......now from this experience i ask for your help again...*What´s your insight, about the next full moon?me included

[kimbermoon]

The Full Moon in Cancer on the 9th
from the Mystikvale – lunar calendar

“ Depending on the individual birth map, some individuals may be challenged by job concerns [problems with authorities] or by imbalances in the domestic sphere. For couples this lunation demonstrates the necessity of using co-operation and compromises, to keep the domestic scenario balanced. The Full Moon highlights the contradiction between the personal life and public responsibilities.”


The Full Moon is symbolic of a climax in the monthly lunar cycle...with the sun and moon in opposition there is a tendency towards tension and possible stress...face to face confrontations are quite typical under this energy flux, although from another perspective it can also bring clarity and resolution. The full moon highlights certain issues, and the polarity between Cancer and Capricorn is about balancing between domestic commitments and public activities. Since the lunation occurs between the 1st and 7th house axis for you, this specifically relates to 'business partnerships'


You may find yourself being pulled into emotional entrapments since the Moon reflects some agitational energies to your Mars; with the North Node also involved, there is a hint of destiny involved as well.


Although we cannot predict the specific circumstances that may come into play under the Full Moon, what matters most is 'our reactions' to what comes our way. We can choose whether to take heed of the clarifications that may be illuminated under the Full Moon, and learn the lessons set up for us: or we can allow our emotions to get the better of us.


Another important cycle is that of Mars, which renews itself every second year; the issue may come down to your communication style [with Mars the third house] and because it is nearing your natal Pluto, power struggles are likely. Can you find a resolution through compromise and mediation, or must it be a personal battle of wills?


By the time the New Moon occurs on the 23rd, Mars will turn retrograde, indicating a time for re-assessment and re-evaluation, thus the actions you take now may have to be reconsidered later. Again, the lessons are about maintaining emotional balance; and taking a good look at your priorities as related to business and your domestic relationships.

[Changabang]

Hello KIMBERMOON, i´´ve been studying your answers..and wonder..:

With Saturn in opposition to Jupiter/neptune in your chart this resounds of a karmic set-up :

..how do you connect my natal against my actual situation?


and..

As a heads-up: the pursuit of a lawsuit in the near future may not yield the results you desire, with Neptune now returning to its own sign influence of Pisces [secrets, mysteries and delusions]

....Am i not karma free in my ninth house? i mean to go ahead in whatever it relates to....

and..

Uranus is near the MC showing a tendency towards destabilization in career or professional activities.

.....what if is aready been changing very fast since 2007?, will it keep on going...if so, faster or slower ?

and

Jupiter through Taurus for the next year shows the necessity of avoiding overindulgence or the squandering of resources

....i totally agree with an attitude against squandering..but isn´t JUPITER (the good king) like a blessing in my MC? (expansion).......
also i noticed the SUN SQUARING my MC on dic 25 when jupiter got direct IN MY 10TH(Mc), does that mean anything for events thru this year??


..pd. thanks for the astrology bibliography ASTROLOGER50

[sandstone]

hi changabang! like the name, lol..

your post is a bit vague, but i am going to work with it anyway..

your have a saturn/neptune opposition running across the 12/6 houses.. saturn rules your 7th, and neptune the 9th... you have to be careful the type of business relationships you enter and the timing of this business connection meeting on nov 25th in combo with the solar arc data doesn't look good! nov 25th data highlights the saturn/neptune opposition via the new moon.. meanwhile solar arc neptune is exactly conjunct your descendant... perhaps you didn't see anything coming til the sun hit cappy on dec 21st when the sun lands in the business relationship dept of your chart - 7th house... fact is the sun will highlight whatever area of the chart it hits by aspect or by sign... sun into cappy and you are now looking at the pluto transit to your descendant as well which is coming up soon..sa sun sits on your natal pluto here as well.. you don't like the feel of things for good reason...

furthermore natal sun/venus opp mars suggests you need to be careful of the type of people you opt to interact with when it comes to financial matters too... you may think you have the upper hand, but with pluto t so close to your descendant and moving closer, while sa neptune sits exactly on your descendant, you are going to have to pull your **** together to stay on top of stuff here..

i would say some sort of false pretense was going on in the nov 25th date of the invitation.. not sure what you have to do to extract yourself from the arrangement, but best of luck sorting it out... it might take you til next fall to gain the upper hand on the situation..

[kimbermoon]

[QUOTE=Changabang;351479]Hello KIMBERMOON, i´´ve been studying your answers..

sorry, I'm not understanding your first question...
you mention that your 9th house is 'free of karma' however you must take into consideration that there are polarizing energies played out through the 3rd house, which then reflect to the opposite house...


Jupiter in the 10th house would likely be beneficial for you however during it's transit in the 11th it forms a Natal opposition to Jupiter, and this is a cycle that represents a potential change in luck whereby IF the resources were squandered, providence could well turn against you. That is just a minor cautionary note ...remember that natal Jupiter is influenced strongly by Neptune which can make for a degree of impracticality on your part.


quote....what if is aready been changing very fast since 2007?, will it keep on going...if so, faster or slower ?
As above so below: the radical changes that individuals are experiencing are symbolic of the mega changes that are currently happening on a global scale...with Uranus[sudden change and upheaval] now moving in Aries, I anticipate that the changes will indeed be speeding up, as this process towards conscious awarenesss is also accelerating. That is part of the bigger picture.
Pluto will transit through Capricorn for a long period of time, symbolizing the unraveling of the systems of the world...erosion can seem to take a long time, but again with the Aries component of uranus, speed is one of it's keywords, being ruled by Mars.
The more obvious changes of direction and motivation for the individual are encoded in the Mars cycle which occurs every 2 years. Mars transits to the Sun are also significant. Mars moved into Leo last November and has now moved into Virgo where it will be activating your Mercury in the 3rd. Unfortunately this year it willl also be retrograde between January 23rd and April 13, a time during which plans and actions may be diverted or thwarted. Mars in Virgo relates to the management of money and employment, and on a grander scale this economic downslide is not likely to improve until at least after April.
With Natal Mars oppose Sun, this can make the appropriate timing of actions more difficult to pin down...I also have this configuration and in my case it has made for many 'false starts' while at other times, missing opportunities because of failure to take action...it's been much of a juggling act until I learned to identify this cycle and be cognizant of its influence...

[Changabang]

...thanks for your time KIMBERMOON

...thanks for your time sandstone ("changabang" is a phonetic translation of one of the most difficult mountains to climb in the world (at the himalayas, my avatar

Your commentaries really got me going (in my mind) about all possibilities at play in my life right now, and something came to me....i currently have another situation that´s giving me a headache and got to do with my new landowner in my new...est(saturn in 4th) home.......and have a question, is there a way to pinpoint somehow in wich of my 2 different issues in my life are the energies you talk about going to manifest?....
as you well said in your other post, my first issue began on nov21 when i was approached by this person , before that i sign contract of my new home on nov 16, what do you think?....the person of the first issue is a capricorn and my landlord is an old libra (saturn in 4th?)....

Another thing, i´ve noticed that since dic 21 started (in the fast transits) squares and oppositions from mercury, venus, sun, pluto etc to my MC, It is the same energy starting to manifest or is it a kind of a different story?

thanks again

[sandstone]

hi changabang,

i wasn't aware of that mountain! that is cool...

which area the energies are going to manifest - well, saturn going thru your 4th house in libra means an ongoing focus on the 4th house area with regard to saturn.. t jupiter is close to natal moon your ascendant ruler which is positive at this moment and hopefully you can take advantage of this transit in this window of time before it becomes exact..

i tend to look where the transiting sun is at for more of the short term focus on the chart.. t sun in cap puts a focus on your relationships and business partnerships at present.. aside from the mercury and sun transiting cappy at present, you have the much longer transit of t pluto an ongoing theme in your house of relationships.. t pluto is a tricky planet to integrate but certain parts of your chart help somewhat in this regard - cancer rising and jupiter in scorpio.. i think when sun moves into aquarius the contractual agreements you signed onto become more of the focus.. the contract you signed on nov 16th ought to be okay.. i base this on the transits for the date you signed it - nov 16th but i can't be 100% sure given the outer planets saturn and pluto positions mostly.. the contract you signed onto on nov 25th is the one i would be concerned about and working towards resolving.. perhaps this will happen in the near future..

based on all you have shared, that is about all i can say! good luck sorting it out and i hope you get to climb the real changabang sooner then later!

[Changabang]

thanks for your time sanstone

actual:

...actually the business contact was on thru nov 21, 25, that contract was signed exactly on dic 2, and last big discussion was on dic 21.

...as of today this person hasn´t contacted me in either way, and someone told me he knows he made a mistake, it´s afraid of consequences but he´s waiting (maybe for me to make the first move)

...TAROT and intuition is telling me to challenge first, not to attack but for detract

I´m not an astrologer, but i have an astrological background on regards to TAROT and The Occult, i say this because want to share a pice of info that seems a little dark, but maybe it serves a purpose..the business with this person was a kids waterboats and inflatables rentals in a waterpark...now here it goes: What do you think of JUPITER in SCORPIO in THE 5TH(kids), could it be something?

[sandstone]

contract signed on dec 1st looks good for you actually so long as you had all the details correct.. mercury in virgo in the 3rd suggests you pay attention to small details.. on dec 1st many planets lined up with mercury 10 virgo 32- mars, saturn and sun specifically.. overall i think this date looks good for you.. i didn't like the picture on nov 21st near as much..

if this contract signing dec 2nd is for the boat venture i think you will do okay with this.. solar arc sun conjunct pluto while transit pluto is conjunct your descendant puts an emphasis on the energies of pluto.. solar arc neptune conjunct your descendant puts double emphasis on the relationship area.. any that you enter into at this time need to be as clear and openly defined as possible as the potential for misunderstanding is greater.. this is my main concern regarding partnerships for you at this time.. i don't know how the new landlord fits into this other then to point out this general theme regarding relationships which include personal or business relationships.. hopefully the situation with your new place is fairly straight forward with the landlord.. mostly i think you need to be clear on the terms of your interaction with others and what you and they have agreed to.. perhaps you will have an even better idea of where you stand with the contracts once sun enters aquarius, specifically jan 23rd with the new moon and mars turning retrograde..

hopefully you are getting some insight with the tarot which would be helpful as well! happy trails - james

[Changabang]

h e l l o! fellowship of the ring!...me a g a i n

i wanted to continue on this thread to shine a light on past issues and see if that can broaden the scope of our bright astrologers beginners and advanced on my big little life, thanks for your time...

Well....nothing has happened about my issues, no big event, no advance, no war, a little depression, a lot of expectation around my MC events but nothing yet!...Can you please shine a light on the next FANTASTIC ASPECT IN MY SPECIAL LIFE SERIES SATURN MARS follow by the chapter PLUTO SUN (wich i identify very well)...specially this thursday to saturday, thanks and lots of karma coins for your time!

[Changabang]

thanks

[Changabang]

C´mon good fellas don´t make me miss astrologer50

[sandstone]

hi changabang,

okay, so nothing has happened.. i can't remember what was supposed to happen! run it by me again..

here is what i see in your chart.. t saturn in the 4th would indicate a possible problem with the landlord. with t pluto on your descendant, nothing seems to have panned out which i am glad about, so lets just stick with the t saturn in the 4th which will oppose your natal moon - ruler of your ascendant - towards the end of this year.. this would incline one to less opportunities and more of a feeling of depression on some level. i think 2012 will be more challenging with saturn moving into the fixed sign of scorpio which interacts in a more demanding way with your natal planets in the fixed signs..

as for the transit of t uranus in the area of your midheaven - it is like a wild card which can bring a possible surprise of unknown quality, but can also be like a dumb note too.. t jupiter doesn't have to bring anything specific other then a passing spurt of optimism, but it doesn't really guarantee anything specific as i see it..

natal saturn on the 12th house cusp and ruling over the 7th and 8th is a potentially more challenging position.. perhaps some of your relationships or business dealings haven't be done in a completely honest or ethical manner which is haunting you on some level, or motivating you to wonder about the karma clash mentioned in the title of the thread.. only you know the past and what you have done or not done to interfere with the quality of your experience and specifically how it might appear in your relationships with others.. perhaps you have something in mind or a specific question that you would like to elaborate on, otherwise i am not sure if there is much to say about your present situation.. what are you thinking you are going to see? cheers - james

[Changabang]

thanks James!...i was just wondering if there was something wack about the aspects of march 29 30 31 wich involve pluto saturn, and mars, even the moon when reach my AC tomorrow.....

in regards as what was supposed to happen, i was just illustrating that nothing much had happen in my life, is as if everything has been frozen since december (plus some low notes )....when you feel is a good time to start some new project for me again?


L O T S OF K A R M A COINS F O R JAMES

[sandstone]

thanks changabang!!

it's a good thing i don't need any of those coins, but thank you anyways! .

i guess it depends on what you want to start.. your midheaven ruler is mars and it is retrograde at the moment.. you might want to wait til it goes direct which happens towards the middle of april.. the new moon in taurus will land close to your natal moon which would probably be the best time to initiate something new. regarding the aspects you mention happening now.. this is a part of the learning experience for me and everyone else with regard to astrology.. something is happening astrology and often nothing specific or all that meaningful happens.. some explain this as due the fact nothing is happening with the other predictive elements like directions or progressions that need to also be taken into account.. personally i have found sometimes transits are enough in themselves, and sometimes they aren't.. let me know what you think! cheers james

[Changabang]

...in fact that´s my actual vision on astrology, i´ve been tracking my aspects very closely lately and neither the goods ones nor the bad have manifested (although i supposed there was some sutil energy in one moment or the other)....i don´t know if it has to do with the different schools-traditions or something else but the only influences i´been really feeling in my life are SATURN in my 4th (very accurate) and PLUTO in my 6th and now 7th wich i feel manifested very early), URANUS very sutil but leads me to nowhere.

Sometimes i feel that in Astrology as in every occult practice at some point, one has to transcend the intelectual analisys and connect the instinctual realm ( maybe some meditations-contemplations on each planetary symbol/correspondences and their paths thru the CIRCLE...just a thought)....too much adding i hope to find some way to synthesis.


cool pic, it´s personal?

[sandstone]

changabang,

that is a picture of your namesake mountain, lol!

i really like your last paragraph.

keep a diary and you will be able to look back on it and get even more from it.. i never did this, but wish i had of.. cheers - james