Pluto singleton planet 2nd house help!!

[yuva9999]

Hi am newbie can you experts plz guide me ,what does this pluto project overall on my natal chart and is this good or bad.I have searched for this information but i can only get a few details about it.plz help

[fullmoonlibra]

You even have a double singleton Pluto. As a fixed sign and as the only water element.
I guess you know how to make money (or you will learn how to)' and that will be through the communication world. But the third house stellium has squares to sixth house of work. So you must work hard to find your way in the communication world.
Ever considered to become a journalist?
If you become an economy advisor that will suit you too, since the focus is on the second house.
Or you must make money!

[fullmoonlibra]

Important too, because of Pluto's prominence:
Pluto sextile IC:
Your intuition helps you to overcome any obstacles or challenges in your domestic life

[Munch]

Singleton planets color the entire chart or are said to channel all of the chart's energy through it. Basically, the planet becomes a filter for your life experiences. It works on a subconscious level and not necessarily in a knee jerk manner like with the moon's instinctiveness. It's more like a secondary ascendent in terms of how we view the world. It probably doesn't have much bearing on physical appearance though and won't necessarily make you more Plutonian in expression in and of itself. What it will do though is cause you to look at things from the perspective of that one particular singleton planet.

For you this planet is Pluto in Scorpio. Many modern astrologers would say that Pluto rules Scorpio and I won't say they are wrong. For myself however, I say Pluto just has a natural affinity for Scorpio as the two energies express themselves in ways that are naturally supportive of each other.

The second house is not only about finances but also about personal values. I think that this is where you'll see Pluto express itself most prominently for you. I would guess that you naturally view things and people as being of value to you when and if they support a natural drive for deep understanding and growth. You may find that you stick to one particular dogma until it brings you to your knees (Scorpio is fixed and Pluto is relentless). The reason of course is that Pluto in this position demands that you constantly assess and reassess your self and how you are living. It is hard to make fundamental changes to our basic belief structure because something must die for that to happen. The desire to remain the same at all cost (fixed) meets the need to grow beyond our limited experience (Pluto) and that can bring any sane person to the brink as it were. This position demands that you are entirely authentic with yourself at all cost so expect some bumps and bruises but know they are essential at this time and that WITH time you'll learn to navigate change without so much turmoil.

So in conclusion Pluto singleton in Scoprio in the 2nd house has you making constant evaluations of everything and everyone (yourself included). You'll unconsciously seek out anything that brings you into closer contact with who you really are and what you are really about. I don't know if you'll seek out continual death and rebirth scenarios, but I do think that you'll work hard at coming into a better understanding and acceptance of yourself. I notice that there is a heavy Cardinal influence in your chart as well, so I think that you will continue to search for ways to come into balance. One thing that I think is assured is that at some point (probably after your Saturn Return), you'll come into your own in a very powerful way. You will know your own mind and not be swayed by other people's ideas of right and wrong. You'll certainly overcome your natal sun/moon square and if not integrate them at the very least learn to accept them as two facets of a very multidemensional self. I doubt that you'll cling to idea of 'right' or 'wrong' at all. In the end I see this placement helping you become very open and allowing for the capacity to step back and decide on a situational basis what needs to happen as opposed to knee jerk, built in responses to stimuli.

[JerryRR]

You do not have a singleton in your chart.

J.R.R.

[Munch]

I'm curious why you say that JRR.

Pluto is the only planet in water unless you are counting Chiron which I do not.

[JerryRR]

Quote.
"A singleton is one planet isolated from the other planets in the horoscope.This particular planet stands alone in the hemisphere in which it is found-it is the only planet east or west of the midheaven/nadir axis or the only planet above or below the horizon."

Predictive Astrology by Sakoian/Acker 1977.

J.

[Munch]

I don't know much about predictive astrology but I do know that terms can be used differently.

In natal astrology a singleton planet is :

The other side of the balance, or imbalance, is called the Inferior Function. This shows up most noticeably as a singleton planet or a missing function, i.e. absence of planets in a modality, element or orientation. (There is a book out by Shirley Lyons Meier, "Elemental Voids, More than Meets the Eye", which gives a good discussion of missing elements.) The Inferior Function can be a source of great motivation and creative expression. It is often like the irritating grain of sand that causes the oyster, in time, to produce a valuable pearl. The Inferior Function is like the pig of the litter, or the runt of the litter. It takes up a lot of the overall psychological energy or gets none or very little of it. The Inferior Function tends to show up and take over when we are under stress, tired or ill.

- http://www.astrologyclub.org/article...eton_intro.htm

[Munch]

It sounds like you have part of the definition (orientation) but not the entire definition which includes a planet that is the only one in an element or modality.

Here's a better link to the same site except it has a site map so you can read up on all singleton planets. http://www.astrologyclub.org/articles/articles.htm

[JerryRR]

Thanks for the link,but no thanks,I have read enough.
I will stick to the original definition.


J.R.R.

[Munch]

By all means. How you practice is your thing, but might I add that its very helpful to qualify your statements. Saying something is wrong and then not including that its wrong by your definition rather than emperically wrong can raise a few hackles around here and confuse the issue for the person posing a question. You are very welcome.

[Rageypoo]

I too believe this pluto isn't singleton. I know both definitions, and having the MC, the NN, chiron and pluto all water, as well as making aspects to other planets, would make me feel its not that "singleton" as one would think.

I do think its pretty powerful, being that it is the closest planet to AC, and being the only fixed sign planet this chart has.

[Rebel Uranian]

I never look for what isn't on charts. I only look for what is. Looking for what isn't just gets confusing.

[JerryRR]

Quote Ragey'
"I do think its pretty powerful.."

Marc Edmund Jones would call Pluto,"The Cutting Planet"

J.R.R.

[Inconjunct]

I agree about Pluto not being a singleton by element - there is a water MC here. I'm also not entirely convinced that a planet being a singleton makes it more powerful unless it is emphasised by an aspect pattern. Here, Pluto makes one sextile to a personal planet, so I'm a little unsure whether it would have much personal impact. However, others may disagree, so I'm sitting firmly on the fence here

[yuva9999]

Originally Posted by Inconjunct

I agree about Pluto not being a singleton by element - there is a water MC here. I'm also not entirely convinced that a planet being a singleton makes it more powerful unless it is emphasised by an aspect pattern. Here, Pluto makes one sextile to a personal planet, so I'm a little unsure whether it would have much personal impact. However, others may disagree, so I'm sitting firmly on the fence here

I have been reading through all the posts and appreciate everones response .But is it not Pluto making 3 sextiles with slow moving planets

[Inconjunct]

It is, but as they are the slower moving ones, they wouldn't have much personal impact due to many many people being born while they were active aspects. If that makes sense? Had a bit too much Christmas spirit last night

[yuva9999]

Can anyone tell me what is the most prominent aspect that i should be cautious of.

[Rageypoo]

Originally Posted by yuva9999

Can anyone tell me what is the most prominent aspect that i should be cautious of.

For me...I'd say that stellium square other stellium!

but all jokes aside, I personally don't like when mercury makes an aspect to neptune, and in this case it's a hard one, issues with the mind, disillusions, etc. You'll know this pattern by the need for attracting "perfect" partners as your venus square neptune and south node would let you think you need to do, when really you need to allow for mistakes with NN in pisces 5th and not be so judgemental. you're also set on creating rigid structure and order in your own life, it's time to let go and have compassion in this lifetime, enjoy your lovers, your children, and have fun (Yes, I said it, FUN!!) Neptune is close to moon as well, so self delusion is common. As long as you're aware that the houses affected are 3/4th and 6th, those are the houses that need the most work.

Now lets get into more detail; The chart astro provides is nice, but I will supply my own to show you just how the energies are being filtered in this chart. As you can see, the AC is the starting point for all energies that flow through the chart, planets closest to the AC will be the most affected. Your AC is pushing quite a bit of power, and they're directed in an almost "grand square/cross" way. Since the MC doesn't count as a planet, the effects are not as severe, however I believe since the MC does represent an element, I believe it is just as important when trying to figure out what exactly is going on. This chart has a bunch of energy to funnel, and the problem point seems to be the sun and venus. The conj should make you a gentle partner, but you can be hurt easily, and I'm guessing that relationships will be a point of discord. You could push so hard for perfection, and beauty, harmony and pleasant times, that it could completely backfire and cause pain. There is work to be done here.

Mars is making aspects to neptune, saturn and moon that I don't particularly like, you could have boundary issues, health concerns with the nerves, tension, and irritability. you could also have some discipline issues and exaggerate too much. Chiron square to venus could be something to look into, a childhood issue will keep you from enjoying your relationships, and reflecting on what happened will help clear that energy out. I'm assuming if things get rocky you'll cut someone off without giving them much chance, this could also be a cause of relationship problems, you have strong sexual urges and will need to fulfill them, it seems to be a repeat pattern for you...

[astrologer50]

Originally Posted by JerryRR

Quote.
"A singleton is one planet isolated from the other planets in the horoscope.This particular planet stands alone in the hemisphere in which it is found-it is the only planet east or west of the midheaven/nadir axis or the only planet above or below the horizon."

Predictive Astrology by Sakoian/Acker 1977.

J.

Singleton planets
“If a planet happens to be the only one in an element, quality, or house type, that planet is a Singleton and it can funnel all of the “energy” of the horoscope. This planet is often the most important one in the horoscope. In other words, if you just interpret the position of this one planet by sign, house, and aspect, you will get to the “heart of the horoscope”. The effect is the same as if that planet were the only one on one side of the chart.”
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/13.0Singletons.htm
http://www.astrologyclub.org
http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/singleton.html
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-2334.html
(There is a book out by Shirley Lyons Meier, "Elemental Voids, More than Meets the Eye", which gives a good discussion of missing elements.) The Inferior Function can be a source of great motivation and creative expression.
http://www.astrologyclub.org/articles/singletons/intro/singleton_intro.htm

Originally Posted by JerryRR

Thanks for the link,but no thanks,I have read enough.
I will stick to the original definition.


J.R.R.

Well I don't think your assessment is valid either

[astrologer50]

Originally Posted by yuva9999

Can anyone tell me what is the most prominent aspect that i should be cautious of.

pluto valid sextile espec to moon and saturn. The neptune/pluto sextile is simply generational, but if/when they make aspects to personal planets then they do become more valid and personal...

Pluto in 2nd House - succeedent
· Great potential for earning money --can earn a lot of money -- can use money for power.
· Driving ambition to acquire money and material resources. Perhaps by obtaining inside information. Your resources should be used unselfishly for the benefit of all.
· This placing usually denotes excellent business potential. Sometimes, however, this tendency can get out of control (depending on aspects of course), with the individual becoming obsessed with making money.
· A great deal of psychological ­satisfaction will be gained from collecting and owning possessions
· ­Pluto's influence from this house often enhances the sensual expression, thereby making the individual a good lover.
· Very capable of working with other people's money.
· You will not compromise your values or beliefs

Now ruler of MC, moon is in detriment and further afflicted by hard aspects to Neptune, uranus and saturn. Now I would also consider researching your quincunxs as mars is really doing a number here...

[astrologer50]

Sometimes these quincunxs are obvious and recognised in personality, other times it can take a lot of self examination to identify with the planets energies and of course they (like all aspects) don't operate 100% of the time, they are simply a facet of your personality. Some say they cause health issues that are unresolved, underlying, dormant waiting to be triggered.... some say you stay at one end, to the detriment of the other, OR end up see-sawing between the two until you learn balance, integration of two unlikely pairings.

Next look at the signs, then houses and then aspects. Now the *others aspects* from these quincunxs/Yods as they can act like escape routes, that can help or hinder the expressions. A chart with lots of Yods (Finger of God) will always be *searching* for the divine answers to the meaning of life, to find synthesis

mars quincunx Saturn– hard aspects
this suggest they will suffer in relationships and couldn't do anything about it and probably won't understand why either...

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=316323 &postcount=21
There is *something* about taking action (mars) that is at odds with saturn. But I think with the quincunx there is less *conscious awareness* of these two energies and how they act, that's why their lack of understand comes in. They act in a certain way and dont' understand why they 'get back' the reactions that they do, if that makes sense?

I think with the mainstream, hard aspects there IS more conscious awareness of the energies and how the act and 'have to' blend but with the quincunx it seems like it's harder to see/recognise and blend.

Mars Quincunx (Inconjunct) Saturn

“Your sense that only you can do something right is lodged in your imbalanced self picture. Too much work and too little spectrum of relating leaves you feeling slightly victimized by life. You create your own limits. Slowing down and quieting down helps you see this. You need a better sense of time, then you achieve better results with less effort. You can do this as soon as you are more balanced in your outlook and your judgment works in a less comparative mode.”
http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/quincunxinterpretations.html

[astrologer50]

Moon Quincunx Neptune
“Romantic and idealistic, you easily project qualities onto situations and people that they can't possibly live up to. The root of this problem is really inaccurate self appraisal. You expect more from yourself than is realistic, then react to your shortcomings with guilt driven service to others and deep expression of overly sympathetic feelings. In the long run you have many opportunities through this aspect of your nature to refine and express your higher vision of the truth to others. Through this expression your daily life becomes a clearer picture of your true inner being.”
http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/q...retations.html

“You are like a mother hen seeking to protect her brood when danger threatens. Unconsciously, however, you are constantly seeking situations in which you can persecute yourself. Your imagination works overtime in creating problems to solve.
In any endeavour you must determine the limits of your responsibilities and avoid volunteering for additional tasks. Your physical constitution cannot tolerate abuse. Good food, nutritiously prepared under clean conditions, is absolutely necessary.
Your romantic interests may prove disappointing until you can relate to others honestly and realistically. It is not easy for you to see people as they really are”

From the book ‘Aspects and Personality’ by Karen Hamaker-Zondag

[astrologer50]

Moon Quincunx (Inconjunct) Mars

Learning to be emotionally consistent is harder for you than for most people because your feelings and desires cover such a wide range of possible expression. Your manner of self expression can inadvertently add weight and encouragement to components of your personality that you actually wish to minimize or even transform. It takes much experimentation with relationships in order to have emotions that serve your higher needs rather than just running amuck on their own mission of blind, disconnected expression. Either artistic or idealistic goals are necessary to achieve satisfaction
http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/quincunxinterpretations.html

“shows that you lack self‑control in expressing your feelings. You tend to misjudge people and to form binding alliances with individuals who take advantage of your indulgence. Even when others abuse and misuse you, you never raise a hand to defend yourself. You feel powerless to oppose the oppressive demands that people make of your talents, and when they exploit you, you are bitter and disappointed. Your greatest problem is to resolve the conflict between your desire to be useful to people and their expectations that you will make up for their deficiencies.”

From the book ‘Aspects and Personality’ by Karen Hamaker-Zondag

[astrologer50]

Originally Posted by Rageypoo

For me...I'd say that stellium square other stellium!

I agree,

Moon square venus
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24933&page=1

Saturn conj Neptune
http://astrologyforthesoul.com/billstreett/satnepgestalt.html
http://astrology.astrozoom.com/index.php?title=NEPTUNE_CONJUNCTION_OR_PARALLEL_TO _SATURN

Saturn conj/square neptune can show a fear of the unknown..although these are generational planets, posited in bottom left quadrant makes them felt internally...It can also be linked to depression when triggered and/or having your childhood dreams crushed by father, males and/or authority figures.

Moon conj neptune shows confusions illusions around mother, quite possibly emotionally neglected. Moon conj saturn shows a reserved affectional nature, moon conj uranus wants emotional freedom and can suggest early break with mother, women and friendships.

Sun square moon shows divorced parents and problems integrating male/female sides..

"shows conflict in certain aspects of the life. Self-expression is blocked by emotional hangups or habit patterns that may be inherited or conditioned by past events. Family and domestic affairs keep you from developing the way you would like. The conditions in your early family environment may have caused difficulties in understanding and getting along with the opposite sex. In these relationships you can be too argumentative and defensive. You may need to get the chip off your shoulder sometimes. This aspect suggests a conflict between the ego and the emotions. There is a presence of tension between your outer and inner self."
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/sunaspects.html#susmo