Mars in the 12th

[datvirgochick]

Thanks for the links, 50

[LovelyMissAries]

Originally Posted by MSO

Promiscuous or overly sexual vibe? Hm, no. In your case, any overly sexual charms you're experiencing are related to your Aries. I've noticed quite a bit that strong planets in the 11th house give a person a rather outward and friendly disposition, and you have the Sun there with Mercury in mutual reception with Mars. Your Venus is absolutely slammed where it's located, being completely out of sect, combust, in detriment, and stuck between two powerful planets that are hell-bent on doing the exact opposite of what Venus wants. Unfortunately, Venus also rules your 5th house, which I'm sure you're aware is the center of romantic pursuits.

I didn't know my Venus was slammed! I know the basic aspects to - square to Saturn and Neptune in the 7th, and then conjunct my Sun (maybe the conjunction is what gives off a overly sexual vibe? I'm trying to figure out why men immediately come on so strong to me. My Taurus moon nor I as a woman really appreciate that.) In my good moments that's exactly how I am - outward and friendly, bubbly, funny...

But anyway I wonder how I never read that Venus was in detriment there. What's a girl to do in that case?!

Does it matter that Jupiter is in Gemini with Mars? Sort of. To be clear here, Mars in this situation dominates Jupiter. You should be aware Jupiter is in detriment here, and where it's placed, the only essential dignities it possesses are from its decan, or face. Mars is in a similar boat, however Mars isn't weak here, and has a nifty little mutual reception with Mercury which strengthens it.

But doesn't Jupiter expand everything it touches? So maybe the Mars in 12th issues, effects, whatever are magnified because of it?

What does matter in that situation is that Mars is a little firecracker in Gemini. Jupiter does its best to cover up the choler, but at best only serves to give a personality that shows nice. Shows being the key word.

To cover up the choler ... what's that mean? LOL "shows nice". So true. I don't anyone knows what a b**** I can be until they get to know me. Interesting it shows at all considering it's the 12th house.

Aw man, I didn't mention Pluto as the source of every problem you have... I'm not a real astrologer.

I like Pluto, actually.

[hmsni]

Hey,
i have mars in the 12th house too ( cancer 3:36 deg) which is in trine to my pluto in scorpio (0:58 deg) .....
and i too have saturn in the 7th house but in its own sign aquarius at 4:40 degrees...
is this good or bad?

[MSO]

Originally Posted by LovelyMissAries

I didn't know my Venus was slammed! I know the basic aspects to - square to Saturn and Neptune in the 7th, and then conjunct my Sun (maybe the conjunction is what gives off a overly sexual vibe? I'm trying to figure out why men immediately come on so strong to me. My Taurus moon nor I as a woman really appreciate that.) In my good moments that's exactly how I am - outward and friendly, bubbly, funny...

But anyway I wonder how I never read that Venus was in detriment there. What's a girl to do in that case?!

Yes, Venus is in detriment in Aries. I don't see how Venus conjunct the Sun leads to an overly sexual vibe. You might just be attractive... You seem to think so at least, lovely miss Aries

Originally Posted by LovelyMissAries

But doesn't Jupiter expand everything it touches? So maybe the Mars in 12th issues, effects, whatever are magnified because of it?

To cover up the choler ... what's that mean? LOL "shows nice". So true. I don't anyone knows what a b**** I can be until they get to know me. Interesting it shows at all considering it's the 12th house.

Ha, the interpretation I gave you is assuming Mars and Jupiter are in the first house. Use whole signs, MissAries. You'll find your problems with the 12th house all but solved.

Originally Posted by LovelyMissAries

I like Pluto, actually.

I'm sorry for you.

[astrologer50]

I didn't know my Venus was slammed! [it's not THAT bad, as it's combust sun,, which I have and basically suggests that underneath you are a gentle person] I know the basic aspects to - square to Saturn and Neptune in the 7th, and then conjunct my Sun (maybe the conjunction is what gives off a overly sexual vibe? I'm trying to figure out why men immediately come on so strong to me. My Taurus moon nor I as a woman really appreciate that.) In my good moments that's exactly how I am - outward and friendly, bubbly, funny...
[again, for the safe of clarity, Aries is a 'highly sexed sign, along with taurus and scorpio]
But anyway I wonder how I never read that Venus was in detriment there. What's a girl to do in that case?!

Now you are aware of attracting unwelcome attention, learn to moderate or change your behaviour. For example be more aware of your dress sense, flirtatious nature - gemini rising sign...

Sun is exalted in aries and your pride, ego and beliefs may be stronger than the venusian expression. so perhaps more masculine and direct and in your face, rather than the softer expression of venus....

Jupiter in gemini is in detriment and some would say (Trad astrologers) that it is helpedby being ion 12th as *they* say jupiter rules pisces. This jupiter is practically unaspected except for quincunx to Uranus...

Jupiter Quincunx (Inconjunct) Uranus
“Overly ambitious, you have an intuitive grasp of the big picture, which stems from optimum flexibility of your values. You are easily led by your impulses to quickly adjust to deep changes in your values. Without discipline you will be in trouble because your enthusiasm will carry you into uncharted waters. Expression of your energy can get you into trouble. Slowly, you learn to harness this expression into something truly creative.”
http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/quincunxinterpretations.html

my version of this aspect is uranus gives you flashes of intuition, orginal inventive methodds but have problems in finding application and outlets. Can be fear of being tied down (uranus) and inclined to reject opportunities that come your way. You may create a very different impression from the one you intended and seldom end up doing what was planned.....

If we just look at the signs involved and see why they are so incompatible.

Gemini quincunx are Capricorn and Scorpio

Gemini is air and mutable sign. All air signs want to talk and Gemini is real chatterbox, tends to know a little about a lot but not in great depth. Gemini like Libra can really procrastinate and be indecisive and are usually attracted to strong partners who want to make the decisions for the relationship, like Leo or Scorpio. Likes variety, witty and quick and clever with their minds and tongues, but unreliable and very restless.

ALL mutuable signs, Gemini, Sagittarius, Pisces and Virgo are restless and I have found the reason. They are all somehow looking for the divine answers to the meaning of life and somehow just think its always around the next corner or out of reach. Some are perpetual students thinking that if they have enough information, they will have all the answers that everyone else wants to know about.

Scorpio, there is nothing restless here but grimly determined and wanting the control and power in any relationship and wont understand their restlessness and need for variety and stimulus and why they don’t like or want to make any decisions. Gemini wont understand for Scorpio need to control everything and possible use sex and method of controlling. You find an awful lot of Gemini in service industry, shops, stores where they don’t have to deal with anyone on a deep and meaningful level (scorpio always wants deep and meaningful but wont get it with Gemini) just superficial. Gemini will probably find the digging and delving rather draining.

Capricorn is cardinal and earth. Capricorns, serious, hardworking ambitious. Care very much about status, achievements and career and what people will think. Practical, excellent with money and hanging onto it longer and harder than the rest of us. Cancer and Capricorn share these traits tight…. Capricorn and Cancer are also the two horders of the zodiac, Cancer hordes for emotional and sentimental reasons, old birthday cards, anniversary cards old photos anything looking back. Capricorns hords for practical reasons, these people have attic or/and garage full of junk just in case the brownies want a pair of curtains cutting up for something. Capricorns always want value for money and expect their purchases to last. Capricorn will always want to structure the life of Gemini and keep them grounded, which is probably what they need. Capricorn and Scorpio at the two least sociable signs. Hence the problem Gemini has to talk and socialise and doesn’t want to want the pennies

[astrologer50]

going back to your mars and looking which house it rules ie: 11th

Ruler of the Eleventh House in the Twelfth House
You may prefer to keep your fondest hopes and wishes to yourself. Some of your friends and acquaintances may be people you knew in a past life. Or, there may be a hidden element to those relationships. Illusion could also play a part.You could have a desire to serve humankind altruistically or help other people in a behind-the-scenes capacity. This astrological influence can also denote a relationship to secret organizations. Your unusual ideas can lead to your own undoing. This possibility can manifest as a result of extremely radical approaches. Diplomacy and the inclusion of others can only help your causes.
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology...ships.htm#hr11

[MSO]

Originally Posted by astrologer50

Some of your friends and acquaintances may be people you knew in a past life.

Oh boy Prove it.

Ruler of the Eleventh House in the First House

Friends and even those you are only acquainted with are very important to your outlook on life. You may even find that your friends identify with you. Or, perhaps your friends have an unusually strong influence on you. Your fondest hopes and wishes, or your desire to create radical change on some level, is an integral part of you.

"Your friend identify with you" is my favorite part

[mooninleo]

great posting. i reall enjoy tracy marks book 'secrets of the twelfth house' where having mars in the twelfth is compared to driving a car.. and not knowing whether you should be pushing the accelerator or the break. I have sun mercury and mars and vesta in the twelfth... and energetically, if i'm in public, i generally have no clue what im doing. i hate being in public.. i basically feel like i dissapear and people are just looking at my more squishy planets.

i've started doing a dream journal. where you actually write out what u want to dream about. I've had dreams telling me to go visit old friends, or even the last one to quit my job!!

So while i like the idea of following my dreams!!! .. i'm still trying to harness this energy. the twelfth house.. energies which you can only express in isolation. i'm looking for my own answers too!

[bittermoon]

Originally Posted by mooninleo

great posting. i reall enjoy tracy marks book 'secrets of the twelfth house' where having mars in the twelfth is compared to driving a car.. and not knowing whether you should be pushing the accelerator or the break.

This sounds very familiar. I have Mars in Aqua in the 12th house. It is not doing me any favours, for sure. I do tend to let people walk over me, up til a certain point. And then I explode. I've gotten better in recent years, but it's still a struggle. Even asserting myself feels very unnatural at times. Sure, I do it, but it doesn't come easy. It's often a case of 'fake it til you make it'.

I need to force myself to get out of the house and socialise. My Gemini Venus needs it, but it often just feels like too much of a hassle.

Having said all that, I am lucky that my Mars trines my Venus. Despite my eccentricities (Sun square Uranus), I am still generally well liked.

Mars in 12th? Not so good. Would love to hear positive stories though.

[peace]

I have Mars in the 12th, along with my sun and venus in the 12th (my 12th is Virgo).
I was actually a really good kid that rarely got in trouble with my parents. I do however get annoyed with just about everything, and my husband has to remind me to not get annoyed over such silly things (for example: people whistling). I have a passive aggressive personality and will not tell someone that I'm annoyed or angry. As a result I will stress.

Other 12th house planets:
Sun in 12th - feeling like I'm never up to a standard I set in my mind. Even though I own my house, car, great husband etc.
Venus in the 12th - didn't wear makeup or do my hair until I was 16. I always felt awkward about what other people would think about me looking trendy.
I'm glad saturn has transited through all of my planets so now I'm a bit more comfortable in my own skin.

One question though: Mars is retrograde and conjunct my natal mars. I feel energized and tired, it's weird. Any thoughts?

[m0ney*p0wer*re$pect]

Well my mars is in the 12th, I alternate from whole sign to placidus cuz at times I fit both but placidus is starting to painfully seem realistic.


My mars is in libra, and square Neptune in the 12th.

I kno the 12th is all things hidden, and alot of times my mars feels deeply hidden. Hidden beneath frustration, shame, anxiety and fear of failure. Even when I want to take action I don't b/c of all the self imposed pressure. If u look at my emotions, they probably look like a junkyard. Outdated anger, worn out desires, things to irrelevant for the present. I feel like I'm carrying alot of baggage and the only reason I won't let it go is b/c it may be a comfort zone.


For some ppl, mars is so easily expressed and it was like that for me at one point. I'm 24, and when I was 17-19, 22, I never had to assert myself. I guess my muscular appearance then warded ppl off(1st house Pluto). But between 18 to my current age of 24 now, I've repressed so much that I would have to practice on lettin my Martian energy out. To some that sounds corny, but you'd be surprised how powerful the subconscious becomes when it builds up over periods of time.

Even when anger and assertion weren't a problem, something with mars was. That's when I dipped into escapism because you feel so trapped and closed in, all you want is freedom. But so much of the prison I trap myself in is self imposed. I picture myself failin and it stalls all attempts.


That's the hardest part about a 12th house mars is that we do these things to ourselves. Free will is sacrificed at times and anger builds up and we can teach ourselves to be cowards but we can turn that around.



My mars is buried deep. I feel no fire at all ad it's buried beneath alot of negative emotions and unhealthy, destructive habits. It takes maturity and strength to find it and resurrect it we face a life of imprisonment an anxiety.

[LovelyMissAries]

Originally Posted by mooninleo

great posting. i reall enjoy tracy marks book 'secrets of the twelfth house' where having mars in the twelfth is compared to driving a car.. and not knowing whether you should be pushing the accelerator or the break.

This clarifies so much for me! I was explaining a "cold war" going on between me and my Scorpio friend, and I couldn't figure out her motive for it since I'd done nothing wrong. One of my friends on the forum commented I seem like the time of person who lets others walk all over me just to keep the peace. It's not true, and I'm so glad I have my Aries placements but knowing when to put my foot down and when to take it off someone's throat doesn't come naturally to me AT ALL. Funny thing is I used to dream about overflowing toilets and serial killers a lot. And here I was thinking I had no "repressed rage." Also, to the poster who mentioned getting annoyed at everything - THAT'S SO ME. I didn't even think that was a Mars in 12th issue.