horary help please

kassandra · #1 12-04-2011, 05:10 PM

Hi everyone!
I made a very important question recently and I seem to be stuck probably because of my huge emotional involvement in the whole matter so I would be grateful if you could give me your opinion
The chart is for 2/12/11 16:51 in London, UK
And the question is "where is my relationship heading to?"
Any help would be much appreciated
Thank you all
Kassandra

kassandra · #2 12-04-2011, 05:20 PM

oh I forgot, I am a woman and he is a man. And I meant 2nd of December 2011 just to be clear. We have been together for about a year and a half but it looks like it is ending. I am mostly interested in what he is thinking and if there's going to be any action soon because I am pretty disappointed. Thanks again

Neptune Rising · #3 12-07-2011, 11:24 AM

Hi Kassandra

Can you upload the chart, there is a link here which explains how to do it http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=12126

You may get some replies if people can see the chart

Thanks

kassandra · #4 12-07-2011, 12:06 PM

thank you very much Neptune!
I am attaching the chart here.
I hope someone can help

kassandra · #5 12-07-2011, 12:11 PM

Oh, and my interpretation is that the situation is too complicated. His planet (Jupiter) is too far already

and is also in the 11th house (he sees me as a friend?). On the other hand, our other planets (mercury and sun) are in conjunction, mercury is combust. This doesn't look good (because of the combustion) but also doesn't look bad (because of the closeness). It would be very helpful if I could hear your opinion because I am not that experienced with horary as you can see...
Thanks

LilAstro · #6 12-07-2011, 01:04 PM

You relationship soon will end. He don't gives you as much attention you want (and probably won't give) , but he really very attracted of you, it's more about sexuality here than real stuff so you can start looking new man. He just don't see reason to continue relationship with you.

kassandra · #7 12-07-2011, 08:48 PM

Thank you LilAstro. The relationship has ended indeed. But I still cannot understand what he is really thinking, so your comment was really helpful.

LilAstro · #8 12-07-2011, 08:58 PM

As I said he thinking about sexuality as first, not really about give your attention so she go to the next one - you wanted attention (via chart) so he didn't saw reason to continue relationship.

kassandra · #9 12-07-2011, 09:02 PM

Yes, you are probably right... At least this is what I thought too. But the whole thing hurt me so much that I think it is impossible for me to trust someone soon, so I think it is not a good idea to look for the next one.

LilAstro · #10 12-07-2011, 09:14 PM

If you don't sure about new man, make another thread for another person.

or elect chart for long relationship but if you young it's better to have fun and meet many guys to research what nature will cooperation with yours.

kassandra · #11 12-07-2011, 09:33 PM

hahahaha thank you for your messages, you are very kind

But I am not very good at choosing men in general, so it's better to stay alone.

kassandra · #12 12-09-2011, 12:02 PM

Hello again!
After some recent changes in the situation, I decided to cast a new chart with the question "what is this relationship transforming into?". I found the chart really interesting and I wanted to share my thoughts with you.
This time, it looks like the relationship has ended but my planets and his planets are connected in a very interesting way. If I am correct, my jupiter has a very strong effect on his sun and his mercury. Jupiter is also in the 1st house, which means I suppose that I am thinking (finally) about what is good for me. Funnily enough my other planet (venus) is in the 11th house this time (also his 5th?). Do you think this means that the relationship is transforming into something else, or is it just me jumping to conclusions? And if yes, what do you think it is? Also, there is an opposition of my moon with his planets.The 3rd and 9th houses are involved in this, which signifies some issues with journeys? Could this be related with the fact that we live in different countries and we were thinking of meeting to discuss this whole thing? Any comments would be very helpful!
Thanks

misskitty · #13 12-09-2011, 04:34 PM

You can't keep asking the same question over and over just because something "changed." That isn't how horary works. The answer is in your original chart, which is valid for months after the question, or until something VERY major happens-- like someone died or something. http://www.skyscript.co.uk/horary_questions.html.

hosting · #14 12-14-2011, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by misskitty

You can't keep asking the same question over and over just because something "changed." That isn't how horary works. The answer is in your original chart, which is valid for months after the question, or until something VERY major happens-- like someone died or something. http://www.skyscript.co.uk/horary_questions.html.

you can ask the same question if the situation has changed

kassandra · #15 12-14-2011, 06:46 PM

Yes this is what I thought too. And the situation has changed. Apart from that, I didn't ask the same question. I have accepted the fact that the relationship has ended and I asked what it will transform to. My first question was quite different. Anyway, thanks for your help

misskitty · #16 12-14-2011, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by hosting

you can ask the same question if the situation has changed

Sorry, there are plenty of professional horary astrologers out there who believe you can't, actually. In any case, the OP did not say WHAT about the situation changed, so the horary astrologer has no way to judge whether or not they should answer the question and, regardless of what you think, these are things that the practioner has an obligation to know. Also, I noticed this is the second time you have commented and not posted your own interpretation. What do YOU think of the chart, please tell? My belief that you can't do these things and that you should question the querent's question comes from direct experience. How about yours?
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/horary_questions.html

kassandra · #17 12-14-2011, 11:06 PM

I have posted my interpretation both times. I am just not explaining all my conclusions with technical terms, in order to not become too descriptive and perhaps tiring. Miss Kitty, you don't have to interpret my map if you don't want to, but you don't have to become aggressive either. I have already said that I am not very experienced with horary and this is why I am asking for a second, more professional opinion. Of course it is up to the members of the site whether they would like to help me or not.

misskitty · #18 12-15-2011, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by kassandra

I have posted my interpretation both times. I am just not explaining all my conclusions with technical terms, in order to not become too descriptive and perhaps tiring. Miss Kitty, you don't have to interpret my map if you don't want to, but you don't have to become aggressive either. I have already said that I am not very experienced with horary and this is why I am asking for a second, more professional opinion. Of course it is up to the members of the site whether they would like to help me or not.

Yes, you have posted your interpretation, but not enough information to allow horary astrologers who care about chart integrity to decide whether or not the chart warrants a response. So, yes, I am disinclined to read your chart. You are also mistaken when you interpret my questioning your horary as "aggressive." These are things horary practioners are supposed to ask but, again, only if they truly care about chart integrity. If you pay any horary astrologer to interpret your chart, they will want to know these things, and that shouldn't change just because we are doling out free readings here. Good luck with your situation.

kassandra · #19 12-15-2011, 03:41 PM

Thanks Miss Kitty, and sorry if I misunderstood you, but I am also in a rather sensitive state, I hope you understand...
What happened and changed the situation, was that we actually split up, although when I did the first chart we were still in the process of "discussing" it, or rather of me wondering what was happening and him being very enigmatic. The reasons why I asked what this relationship is transforming into are various. First of all, I was completely sure I didn't want to see him again, although he insisted that he wants to remain friends with me, but the day I cast the chart I felt an inexplicable compassion for him. Second, although his behaviour lately had been totally unacceptable (in my opinion), he suddenly wanted to come and visit me (we don't live in the same country) in order to "discuss", although he is generally not very expressive (that was also the reason for our break-up I think). I found this quite surprising and what I am wondering is whether the second chart is actually showing a journey (emphasis on 3rd and 9th house), because he hasn't decided yet whether he is coming or not. And also wondering what he actually wants to discuss. I supposed this whole thing had to do with a transformation of the relationship, and this was why I asked what this transformation is. I hope this helps. Thank you.

misskitty · #20 12-15-2011, 08:19 PM

Thank you for the explanation. Yes, I believe you can ask another question under those circumstances. I just have two suggestions-- you want to make sure you only pose one question when you ask a chart and make sure it is exactly what you want to know. In this case, do you want to know if you will get back together, want to know what he wants, or want to know if he will actually come visit? Asking about things like "transformations" or "karma (as I've seen here before)" etc is a bit too out there for horary, which works best with solid "Yes or No" questions.

My second suggestion is to always use Regiomontantus house format. Placidus is never used and, while it sometimes does not change a chart, sometimes it can make a drastic difference.

The outlook for this chart is negative. Both significators are in Retrograde. One or both of you will change your mind. Further, the Moon is about to oppose his Rx significator. Oppositions are normally very negative unless there is a nice mutual reception (and here there is not).

Mercury is also the weakest planet in the chart, being Retrograde and cadent. It has no power to act. Although Mercury likes Jupiter and is in its sign, Jupiter only receives Mercury by face. Worst, Mercury is in detriment. Moon is peregrine and cadent, so it can't do anything either.

You are going your separate ways.

>>Jupiter is also in the 1st house,<<

Jupiter is technically in the 2nd house if you follow Lilly's rule and carry it forward 5 degrees when it is on a cusp.

kassandra · #21 12-15-2011, 08:38 PM

Thanks Miss Kitty, this makes sense overall. So, if understood well, according to the chart, it looks like both of us are unable to act. This is true; I am not intending to act and at the moment he is trying to decide whether we should meet or not (but I am tired of his indecisiveness). However, the opposition of the moon and his significator shows some sort of event if I am not mistaken (even a negative one), a confrontation perhaps? It is already obvious for me that we have to go our separate ways, and the reason I asked the "transformation" question was his proposition to meet up and discuss and try to remain friends. So do you think that the chart shows that a meeting/discussion will happen eventually?

misskitty · #22 12-15-2011, 08:47 PM

In my opinion, no, I think he will change his mind about coming. The opposition could simply signify the final demise of the relationship and, yes, it could mean an argument or confrontation.

kassandra · #23 12-15-2011, 09:06 PM

I see. Thank you very much for your help. I will let you know what happened in the end (if anything happens after all).

rafaella · #24 12-20-2011, 09:37 AM

The 1st chart has late ASC which is a consideration against judgement. Late Asc mean that you probbaly know how this situation will end, and there is nothing that you can do about your situation...The outcome is out of the querent's hands.

In this chart Venus is in quesited's 1st house, he may have another woman in his sights. Moon squaring Rx debilitated Mercury would just mean negative outcome...communication is suffering and decision making is on hold.

The 2nd chart also shows Mercury/Jupiter as your significators, like the 1st chart. When Mercury/Jupiter are rulers of 1/7th axis it shows more of an intellectual relationship that has not much emotional depth that could have held the relationship together, its based on objectivity more. If you live in different countries, there would be more need for the emotional bonding...which both charts indicate its lacking.

Moon opposing Mercury/Sun would indicate confrontation, opposition, difference of opinion. Moon square/Mars on his 1st house shows the same - anger, frustration.

Unfortunately, I don't see this relationship developing into a positive one.

dr. farr · #25 12-20-2011, 09:43 AM

Me-I wouldn't have attempted to delineate the first chart because of the SN in the ascending sign (my belief that it pollutes the reliability of indications in the chart)
So the only chart which would have had merit (for me that is) is the second one.