2 Thors Hammer in desiredusername's chart

[desiredusername]

How do you admit to being wrong, when you know you're right?


I mean seriously maybe im Jesus Christ...

[desiredusername]

obligatory answer - "OHHH C'MON"

(yeah, i know.)

[Ben]

Originally Posted by desiredusername

I was told by a vedic astrologer of this problem. or Sickness as he put it. Also, despite my personality indicated in my chart, im not ignoring your advice. I cherish it. Also, it is apparent that Bipolar disorder is written in the stars as i see it.

Ok - As I'm trying to be constructive rather than destructive - I'll have a closer look at your chart and post again with anything that might help to understand and/or resolve this potential problem.

[desiredusername]

If you could figure out what it is that is holding me back that would be great!

Though.. we have already discussed this, as it is indicated in my chart. All that's left is my psychologist.



It's the same patterns over and over again, how do you change your inherited personality that is locked in place by the metaphysical alignment of planets?

Forgive me for the possible element of redundancy to which you might be unable to respond to this post!

[Rageypoo]

Originally Posted by desiredusername

I was told by a vedic astrologer of this problem. or Sickness as he put it. Also, despite my personality indicated in my chart, im not ignoring your advice. I cherish it. Also, it is apparent that Bipolar disorder is written in the stars as i see it. It kind of seems like when working out this problem, others "Actively resist or oppose". Leaving me in a cycle of doom. As this odd configuration that has caused my disorder prevents me from sorting it all out! It's all I've been trying to do ever since it got worse as a child.... In my heart I know im innocent, yet the world acts as if otherwise.

I've had to personally deal with this exact issue with both my mom, and a recent relationship, it's a VERY hard thing to get over, and yea they almost take pride in who they are to the point of pushing past and moving into ridiculous, at least you're aware of it, try to hold onto that and move forward, life will get a whole lot easier, it's VERY easy for someone with this kind of affliction to slip right back into "god mode" and pretend that everything is fine when it really isn't.

Keeping in mind that, most Aries have to deal with this "god complex" because of their high self awareness, I'm not sure if it's a fire thing or not, but in my personal experience, if you have an aries sun or an aries SN, you're kinda a prick lol. This isn't always the case, every person is unique and different, and ultimately you have to CHOOSE how to live your life. ANYONE it seems that has an aspect to mercury from neptune, hard or soft, just has a lifted and higher understanding of the mind, their energy is focused on their mind for a reason, and it is unfortunate that it has to be neptune running the show, on the POSITIVE neptune is being controlled by saturn in domicile (by sign), something to think about = )

And remember, a psychologist cannot cure you, they cannot show you the way, they're more like a guide to help get you to self actualize and help you open your own awareness, they're nothing more than a glorified self-help book, but in person form. Now that you have a bit of awareness, the psychologist as a tool, and the rest of your life, don't get down on this "pattern" problem, awareness is great, too much focus could drive you mad, Acceptance and deliverance my friend = )

[Ben]

Originally Posted by desiredusername

It's the same patterns over and over again, how do you change your inherited personality that is locked in place by the metaphysical alignment of planets?

The first step is to bring those unconscious behavioural patterns into our conscious mind - (which, of course, is why you are attempting to explore them on this site).

So, bear in mind that my astrological opinions are given for you to consider, and are not intended to be critical, attacking or condescending in any way - Accept whatever you find useful, reject anything that you don't and trust that my comments are well-meant (even if sometimes painful).

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Analysis of the Sun/Venus/Jupiter/Pluto natal configuration

The Sun is exhalted in Aries and in the first house, with Mercury in close conjunction (and probably "combust") - This leaves the Sun (you) feeling it has to tread carefully, fearing how others might react if he "speaks his mind".

That is compounded by a square to Uranus/Neptune in Capricorn/11th - making you very aware of faults in society that you would like to speak your mind about.

And of course, (in the natal configuration we are analysing) it squares Jupiter in Cancer/5th, semi-sextiles Venus in Aquarius/12th and is within-orb of a 135 degrees aspect with Pluto in Scorpio/9th - all 8th harmonic aspects, creating what you may see as a strength (but others will certainly see as a weakness/fault).

Venus is in the humanitarian sign of Aquarius, exhalted in 12th house and energised by an equally humanitarian Mars - So, another planet with plenty to say about the world, but wary of saying it for fear of what others might think - and making a tight square to transformational Pluto in insightful Scorpio and 9th house of "justice".

Jupiter is in 5th house of "children", exhalted in caring Cancer and in an 8th harmonic aspect to Pluto - Yet another planet with things to say but worried what others might think if they were said.

Pluto is in 9th house and strong in it's own Sign of transformational Scorpio, but disposits no other planet in the chart - indicating a reformer who feels his views are not supported by others.

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Does any of the above sound like you, desiredusername - or am I "way-off" here?

Ben

[desiredusername]

Yes. So Pluto is obviously very of great significance in my chart. Does this mean it actually prevents me from doing things? (perhaps more difficult to find a wife/have kids etc.?)


And are my views not actually supported by others? And rather

Originally Posted by Ben

indicating a reformer who feels his views are not supported by others.

, actually you mean "Indicating a reformer whos's views are (in fact) NOT supported by others?

[Ben]

Originally Posted by desiredusername

Actually you mean "Indicating a reformer whos's views are (in fact) NOT supported by others?

No, desiredusername - I mean that is what you feel/believe.

It's the way you express those views that causes the lack of support - not the validity/acceptability of the views themselves.

So Pluto is obviously very of great significance in my chart.

How have you concluded that from my comments? - Perhaps it is a longstanding and/or deeply-entrenched view of your own, which prevented you from reading my comment objectively.

Does this mean it actually prevents me from doing things? (perhaps more difficult to find a wife/have kids etc.?)

No - The planets do not prevent us from doing anything - The responsibility for that rests entirely with ourselves.


Taking the first step towards resolving the problem

Might I suggest you look again at my involvement on this thread - and ask yourself if you have encouraged or discouraged my continuing involvement - Then ask if you encourage or discourage others to listen objectively when you express your views to them.

[desiredusername]

i encourage it. I also am not trying offend. I took what you wrote and responded to it. I read your comment about Pluto as objectively as i could, not sure why you took it the wrong way. You said that it disposits no other planets in the chart, obviously giving some indication of significance giving Pluto of no disposition in my chart, but merely offending anything it's energy touches.

[Rebel Uranian]

@Ben (not trying to come off as mean) Pluto doesn't have rulership, houses don't have exaltations (Venus's Chaldean house is the 12th so your mistake is all right,) and combustion means someone fuses something into their ego.

[Rageypoo]

Originally Posted by Rebel Uranian

@Ben (not trying to come off as mean) Pluto doesn't have rulership, houses don't have exaltations (Venus's Chaldean house is the 12th so your mistake is all right,) and combustion means someone fuses something into their ego.

Combustion isn't used in natal aspects anyways, but I get where he was going = )

[Rebel Uranian]

I thought combustion was used in natal?

[Rageypoo]

Originally Posted by Rebel Uranian

I thought combustion was used in natal?

Not usually, and not traditionally, no. It is used alot in Horary and some synastry charts, It REALLY depends on the weight the astrologer gives it in their own interps, that's what is so great about the forum, everyone has their own opinions which are essential, because no matter what, no one is right, and no one is wrong = )

[Ben]

Originally Posted by Rebel Uranian

Pluto doesn't have rulership

Modern astrology assigns it to Scorpio, Rebel Uranian - but I acknowledge that it has no rulership in traditional astrology.

Houses don't have exaltations

Perhaps I should have said "exhalted in the Sign of it's house in the Natural Zodiac".

combustion means someone fuses something into their ego.

Agreed - But, I also consider the following to be a correct interpretation of it's effect on Mercury ( http://www.astrologyweekly.com/dictionary/combust.php) :-

Mercury combust imparts to the mind a capacity for concentration upon what it deems its own destiny, but robs it of its receptivity to distracting or diverting influences. Hence it is no bar to the achievement of its own objectives insofar as the ability to achieve them is within its own powers, but it robs the native of the cooperation of those whom he alienates by his particular species of obtuse deafness to any or all argument that runs counter to his own concepts.

Originally Posted by Rageypoo

It REALLY depends on the weight the astrologer gives it in their own interps - (In the AW forum), everyone has their own opinions which are essential, because no matter what, no one is right, and no one is wrong)

Thank you, Rageypoo.

[Ben]

Originally Posted by desiredusername

i encourage it. I also am not trying offend.

I accept without reservation that you have made no conscious attempt to offend or discourage me, desiredusername.

But, I'm asking you to read your responses to my comments on this thread and ask yourself if it is possible that the recipient (me, in this case) might be offended by them (and/or assume that you had not carefully and objectively made the effort required to understand MY view, because you already hold a view of your own which you are certain is correct).

I read your comment about Pluto as objectively as i could

But, do you see yet that your objectivity might be clouded by your certainty that your own view of the "problem" is correct?

You said that it disposits no other planets in the chart, obviously giving some indication of significance giving Pluto of no disposition in my chart, but merely offending anything it's energy touches.

I analysed 4 planets, focusing mainly on the Sun and least upon Pluto.

You responded with "So, Pluto is obviously of very great significance in my chart".

Step 2 towards resolving the problem

Might I suggest you re-do step 1 (in the light of my comments in this post) - and perhaps then give me some feedback about my comments relating to the comments I made in post #31 about Sun/Mercury/Venus/Jupiter.

[desiredusername]

Originally Posted by Ben

Might I suggest you re-do step 1 (in the light of my comments in this post) - and perhaps then give me some feedback about my comments relating to the comments I made in post #31 about Sun/Mercury/Venus/Jupiter.

Im really not too sure what to say. I appreciate your effort in helping me. However, i dont have any deeply entrenched views that stop me from responding objectively. That is probably because i've already read about these aspects in my chart, and that im not sure how to respond other than for you to observe my responses. I would have suspected that by reading my chart, and reading my responses you would have an understanding. And as i continue to write this, whatever it is that is blocking me from whatever it is i should be responding with, I have no idea what that is.

Thank you for knowledgeably explaining my chart to me, and the side annotations. Unfortunately, im unable to continue this thread regarding myself due to a less efficent knowledge in astrology.


One Lesson however, I've learned is that i should stop asking questions about feelings of proverbial miserableness/talking about myself. And rather talk about astrology itself, Maybe my problem is trying to understand myself to the extent of ignoring any immediate helpful feedback?

That being said, I don't have any comments but instead further questions.

(such as, how do I channel The Sun's energies properly, so that it isn't viewed as a weakness/fault or isn't?)

[Ben]

Originally Posted by desiredusername

i dont have any deeply entrenched views that stop me from responding objectively.

Yet, in post #29, you said to me :-

"If you could figure out what it is that is holding me back that would be great!

Though.. we have already discussed this, as it is indicated in my chart.

It's the same patterns over and over again

- possible element of redundancy to (your response)!"


[ http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=344079&postcount=29 ]

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How do I channel The Sun's energies properly?

Think of Sun+Mercury as one self-interested (1st house) "fused" planet, with which your Ego identifies strongly - residing in the home of someone who regards "him" so highly (exhaltation) that he dare not "be himself" there for fear of damaging his reputation - (and he doesn't get on with any of the neighbours, as they are primarily interested in others rather than themselves).

So - this is a very "uncomfortable" Sun/Mercury - who will remain alienated from his community, until he makes the effort to get to know the neighbours - but, focusing on them might lead to letting go (Pluto) of his "distorted" self-image (Sun); learning to enjoy "living-for-the-moment" (Jupiter) and serving others (Venus) - which (subconsciously) he might not yet be ready to do.

[Rageypoo]

I totally get where Ben is going with this, for you Desiredusername, it may be a bit hard to grasp, you're not gonna get it right away, but don't shut yourself out, merc/neptune aspects are tricky to overcome, there's just something not right about how you're receiving and perceiving, but it can be overcome. Keep the Quaker mentality that there is truth in all things, and don't give up the search, then again you are an aries, I don't see you quitting till you get it right

[desiredusername]

I dont regard myself highly other than what might be required be survive? It's suprising to hear this because I've always thought low of myself/confidence issues. That being said, I don't understand despite the evidence you've given, Im pretty sure you don't either, or rageypoo for that matter. Am i condemning you guys? NO.


Uranus has been transiting in conjunction within a 3' orb for relatively the past year. So there you go, im changing this very second.

I do not know what else to tell you as this is such an abstract issue, no one can tell me exactly what my problem is within an eight word sentence structure.


Prove me wrong. (no really, tell me whats actually wrong with me) Rageypoo made a good point, which i do display to my parents and i'll catch myself, to other people like my friends, well if i do they probably keep it behind their backs, as I'll rarely show a friend or acquaintance any spite. If I get any disregard from anyone, It must be because they don't like me (enough to make plans at least) plain and simple. This is apart of my functioning relative to my personality, all i can really do is rely on Uranus' energy to "change" myself.

[desiredusername]

Also, for heaven's sake this is an astrology forum, so I am open to anyone's response in this thread. If i seem a troll to you, just dont respond. If i've seemed like a jerk, it isn't directed to you. So, apologies for being impolite, sir,

[desiredusername]

Who doesn't have flaws anyway? Maybe mine is just that I ramble like a nutcase when it's unwanted. Believe me though, im not too fond with arguing, so it doesn't ever resolve anything. and at this point... all i can say is that it's my aries dominant energy guiding my fingers.

[Rageypoo]

I think it's obvious that the problem may be simple, you came to the forum to ask for some clarity on what to look out for, and when told you're taking it a bit as a personal attack, which may very well be the problem and something to look out for. Does this scenario happen often in your life? It might be something to reflect on, I doubt either Ben or myself are the least bit upset or frustrated at your responses, we're just astrologers trying to help

Also, no one likes hearing bad things about themselves, your responses are perfectly natural

[desiredusername]

im just not sure what points Ben is trying to make. Other than the fact that i type like a woman on menopause. I dont know what to say to that.

[desiredusername]

Full steam ahead
Valid during many months: At this time you may have to strive very hard to get anywhere but if so, your goals when you do reach them will be more permanent and far reaching. If you are unclear about what you are doing in some area, this is a good time to look inside yourself to find out what you really want to do. You should not and probably cannot move until you are clear about your objectives. In examining yourself, you may discover hitherto unknown psychological forces that you can use to gain your ends. A considerable change in self-understanding may be one consequence of this influence. If you are at all clear about your purpose, this influence should assure you of success in any undertaking that you become involved in now. Proceed full steam ahead and do not worry. Just avoid stepping upon other people's toes unnecessarily, because that can have dangerous consequences later on.

[Rageypoo]

Originally Posted by desiredusername

im just not sure what points Ben is trying to make. Other than the fact that i type like a woman on menopause. I dont know what to say to that.

And that feeling of not being sure could very well be the problem! see how that works?

I loved that analogy