$9,000,000,000,000,000.00 missing from U.S. Fed. Reserve

[Neptune Rising]

Originally Posted by piercethevale

Here's a quick look into the three former Fannie Mae executives who brought down Wall Street.

Franklin Raines was a Chairman and Chief Executive Officer at Fannie Mae.
Raines was forced to retire from his position with Fannie Mae when
auditing discovered severe irregularities in Fannie Mae's accounting
activities. Raines left with a "golden parachute valued at $240 Million in
benefits. The Government filed suit against Raines when the depth of the
accounting scandal became clear.


Tim Howard - was the Chief Financial Officer of Fannie Mae. Howard "was a
strong internal proponent of using accounting strategies that would ensure
a "stable pattern of earnings" at Fannie. Investigations by federal
regulators and the company's board of directors since concluded that
management did manipulate 1998 earnings to trigger bonuses. Raines and
Howard resigned under pressure in late 2004.
Howard's Golden Parachute was estimated at $20 Million!


Jim Johnson - A former executive at Lehman Brothers and who was later
forced from his position as Fannie Mae CEO. Investigators found that
Fannie Mae had hidden a substantial amount of Johnson's 1998 compensation
from the public, reporting that it was between $6 million and $7 million
when it fact it was $21 million." Johnson is currently under investigation
for taking illegal loans from Countrywide while serving as CEO of Fannie Mae.
Johnson's Golden Parachute was estimated at $28 Million.






...WHERE ARE THEY NOW?





FRANKLIN RAINES?
Raines works for the Obama Campaign as his Chief Economic Advisor.


TIM HOWARD?
Howard is a Chief Economic Advisor to Obama under Franklin Raines.


JIM JOHNSON?
Johnson was hired as a Senior Obama Finance Advisor and was selected to
run Obama's Vice Presidential Search Committee.


..I have to ask the obvious...and I apologize to those of you that knew this or have been skeptical all along...but



As a nation whole...Are we really this oblivious and apparently that stupid?

well that's just amazing, anyway, they are all on the same side

[piercethevale]

Originally Posted by Neptune Rising

well that's just amazing, anyway, they are all on the same side

After what Obama pulled as to the bogus killing of Osama, the convenient death of the entire assassination team aboard a helicopter a week [or was it two?] later, the extension of the Homeland Security bill...the backing of the FEMA camps and the suspension of Habeus Corpus and the 'Battleground America' bill that authorizes the use of the military in policing the population..not to mention that he had all state militias placed under his control as soon as He took office...sheeeesh...

If this country doesn't pull itself together ..get that @#$%&*%$#@ out of office and take back its' rights...I'm bailing...I'll be applying for a visa to either Australia, Canada, Ireland, Scotland, England or South Africa...maybe Italy...anywhere that'll take me and stand up to this 'Unbelievable Slimy Antagonist"...that's U.S.A. ya' all...

[JUPITERASC]

CAVEAT THERE NOW FOLLOWS A QUOTE:

"The Democrats seem to be basically nicer people, but they have demonstrated time and time again that they have the management skills of celery. They're the kind of people who'd stop to help you change a flat, but would somehow manage to set your car on fire. I would be reluctant to entrust them with a Cuisinart, let alone the economy.

The Republicans, on the other hand, would know how to fix your tire, but they wouldn't bother to stop because they'd want to be on time for Ugly Pants Night at the country club." - Dave Barry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Barry

[Munch]

Originally Posted by JUPITERASC

CAVEAT THERE NOW FOLLOWS A QUOTE:

"The Democrats seem to be basically nicer people, but they have demonstrated time and time again that they have the management skills of celery. They're the kind of people who'd stop to help you change a flat, but would somehow manage to set your car on fire. I would be reluctant to entrust them with a Cuisinart, let alone the economy.

The Republicans, on the other hand, would know how to fix your tire, but they wouldn't bother to stop because they'd want to be on time for Ugly Pants Night at the country club." - Dave Barry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Barry

That is an amazing quote. haha!

[JUPITERASC]

Originally Posted by Munch

That is an amazing quote. haha!

More intriguingly ironic video quotes of statements made by then Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld only one day before 9/11 WTC demolition when Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld goes on record: “declaring war on Pentagon bureaucracy... revealing that 'according to some estimates we cannot track 2.3 TRILLION DOLLARS IN TRANSACTIONS!!!'

btw here's a clear view of the explosion that brought WTC down http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnuFACYc-Q4&feature=related

Rumsfeld promises change, saying that 'money wasted by the military poses a serious threat to the Economy'” BUT the NEXT DAY 'war on terrorism' eclipses 'war on waste' when GW Bush “calls for more than 48 BILLION DOLLARS in new defence spending http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_p92...eature=related


That was 2001 but now, (as you have drawn to our attention piercethevale) eleven years after Rumsfeld's promise of change regarding military spending - the figure of untracked funds has trebled and is currently estimated at 9 TRILLION DOLLARS

IMO therefore it seems unsurprising that there are increasing numbers of homeless people many of whom are forming communities known as 'tent cities' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_6MLTU8QBI&feature=related

and the collapse appears to be going global according to many http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fL5s...eature=related

[piercethevale]

This NESARA thing and the St. Germain World Council that the forum turned me onto last night is what I'm really trying to get more info on at the present. [Wasn't that your post too JUPITERASC?] I hope it's not just some mis-direction disinformation as it does sound like there's some hope in it, if it is true and indeed as legit as the claims are that it is.
[...on checking, I guess it was Derestane that posted the first I had heard of this...]

[JUPITERASC]

Originally Posted by piercethevale

This NESARA thing and the St. Germain World Council that the forum turned me onto last night is what I'm really trying to get more info on at the present. [Wasn't that your post too JUPITERASC?] I hope it's not just some mis-direction disinformation as it does sound like there's some hope in it, if it is true and indeed as legit as the claims are that it is.

fwiw piercethevale, Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NESARA QUOTE:

NESARA is acronym for “National Economic Security and Recovery Act”, a set of economic reforms suggested during 1990s by Harvey Francis Barnard who claimed the proposals, which included replacing income tax with a national sales tax (see also FairTax), abolishing compound interest on secured loans, and returning to a bimetallic currency, would result in 0% inflation and a more stable economy. The proposals were never introduced before Congress. NESARA is better known as a cult-like conspiracy theory promoted by Shaini Candace Goodwin, who claimed the act was actually passed with additional provisions as the National Economic Security and Reformation Act, and then suppressed by George W. Bush administration and Supreme Court

intriguing link entitled "Everything You Want To Know About World Finance and NESARA" at http://banking.insights2.org/GoldenAge1.html

CAVEAT - often information seems disinformation... so IMO needs research - nevertheless Part 3 of 3 "The Farm Claims Program" is most informative

[piercethevale]

The other problem I see as a possibility is that there is no gold left in its vaults. I've heard rumor that the last of it was 'sold off' or used to pay debt to the Federal Reserve member banks.
Now, I did suggest a while back to some Texans I know, that if they should happen to secede from the Union that they might want to seize all the oil fields.
The oil remaining in the ground should provide enough collateral to issue money backed by it.
The 'Mother Lode' has allegedly never been found in the Sierra Mountains I'm living at the base of. I live on the Orangevale Palisades above the American River. The Sierra Nevada Mountains for all intent and purpose start right across the river.
When the town of Folsom built the new bridge across the American River about a quarter mile upstream from my residence they sunk four of the caissons needed as the base for pillars supporting the bridge into the river bed itself. I found out the other day from a reputable source that the gold that was taken from just those four holes [and 'Holes' int the truest sense of the world. They were sunk fairly deep and the deepest ever dug down into the river bed was by steam dredge operations in the late 19th - early 20th century...as extensive as that process is and was it achieved nothing as to the depth these holes achieved in this most very ancient river bed that originates on the back side of the site where the 1964 Winter Olympics were held, Squaw Valley. The American River brought it's share of gold out of the Sierra Nevada Mountains and then some here in the heart of 'Gold Country'
The value of the amount of gold from those four holes is said to have been over $350,000 in year 2001 prices.
I believe I heard something about a recent 'silver strike' somewhere in the southwest too, but still.... It takes a lot of precious metal in the vaults before any confidence is put in the money.

[JUPITERASC]

There are multiple - but unverifiable - theories as to what happened to all the gold/silver - certainly it is ironic that the continent supplying 75% of the World gold is currently considered a 3rd World Country, poverty stricken and in need of Aid! Remarkable. Since the 1880s, South Africa has been the source for a large proportion of the world's gold supply, with about 50% of all gold ever produced having come from South Africa. Production in 1970 accounted for 79% of the world supply, producing about 1,480 tonnes. 2008 production was 2,260 tonnes. In 2007 China (with 276 tonnes) overtook South Africa as the world's largest gold producer, the first time since 1905 that South Africa has not been the largest. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold

Meanwhile we are told: "There is no money, the IMF is bankrupt, the World Bank is bankrupt - all the major banks in the world are bankrupt" Max Keiser financial analyst.

Currency/Financial War Games - “Global currency war becomes serious” Max Keiser, financial analyst in Paris comments on the new economic treaty proposal between Germany and France to rescue collapsing Euro and the impact this could have on other countries if approved http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiovX...eature=related

[piercethevale]

....Well, truth is...it's only money....
...if you recognize it as such...
...and...

<<<<<<____ -- ____-- _____\\\\ ! ////_____--____--____>>>>>>

...it's only debt...
...if you recognize it as such...
...Just as Iceland...
...recently reminded...
... everyone...
...how much...
___--___--____\\\\ Burma Shave ////____--___--___

[JUPITERASC]

Originally Posted by piercethevale

....Well, truth is...it's only money....
...if you recognize it as such...
...and...

<<<<<<____ -- ____-- _____\\\\ ! ////_____--____--____>>>>>>

...it's only debt...
...if you recognize it as such...
...Just as Iceland...
...recently reminded...
... everyone...
...how much...
___--___--____\\\\ Burma Shave ////____--___--___

oh well... if it's not important - then its time to remind the 1% of that

[piercethevale]

Originally Posted by JUPITERASC

oh well... if it's not important - then its time to remind the 1% of that

Shaving is not important...?!!!? ...hmmmmmm...---... I guess you're right, I haven't shaved in months...Haven't been in debt in years, either...if you don't count the IRS...Oh Gawd! How I love them...[?]...[How does one learn to 'Love' the IRS...?]

[Monk]

Hi JupiterAsc,

Loved your links to "Golden Age Banking", actually the Bank of North America got its charter from the Congress of the Confederation, on 31st December 1781, link below:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superin..._United_States

The Congress of the Confederation were sitting in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania at the time, scroll down to "Meeting Sites":-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congres..._Confederation

So give or take a few seconds more than 4 minutes of time that is equal to one degree...what star was culminating (MC) over Philadelphia, Pennsylvania at the midnight day marker by paran on 31st Dec. 1781?

[Munch]

Originally Posted by JUPITERASC

Each successive president is marketed as 'the ideal solution' – then each successive president disappoints the electors. How can voters get different results when they are using the same methods? Each elected president can only ever represent (at most) 50% of the population. Isn't it time for a fairer, more democratic electoral system – worldwide – not only for America?

I've been saying this for what feels like ages now.

Isn't the definition of insanity doing the same thing over and over again while expecting a different result? It's so (literally for me) painfully obvious that this doesn't work.

On one hand we have Obama selling us to wall street and signing off on gems like NDAA and on the other we have the extreme religious right. I was considering Ron Paul but then he went joined the heard of anti-choice authoritarians and I kinda just got fed up and washed my hands of the whole thing. I might still vote but either way I feel like I'm about to get majorly 'bumper car'd.'

[JUPITERASC]

Originally Posted by Monk

Hi JupiterAsc,

Loved your links to "Golden Age Banking", actually the Bank of North America got its charter from the Congress of the Confederation, on 31st December 1781, link below:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superin..._United_States

The Congress of the Confederation were sitting in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania at the time, scroll down to "Meeting Sites":-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congres..._Confederation

So give or take a few seconds more than 4 minutes of time that is equal to one degree...what star was culminating (MC) over Philadelphia, Pennsylvania at the midnight day marker by paran on 31st Dec. 1781?

Hi Monk, what are the odds it's one of the usual suspects I thought... then, after checking using "special charts" menu on astro.com - methinks 'twas Alnilam culminating over Philadelphia, Pennsylvania at the midnight day marker by paran on 31 December 1781

[Munch]

Originally Posted by Neptune Rising

Exactly!

Someone is getting very very rich out there, and it certainly isn't the general populas. I don't know what its like in the US, but here in the UK there are job cuts ect (just like the rest of the world it seems), train and bus increases, food increases. In London, we have a system where we put money on a card, like a top up card, and each time we go on a bus or train, the machine takes the money from the card. We may as well be giving our money to a bank for them to earn the interest. All this money on millions of people's top up cards is certainly earning someone alot of interest, and yet, they find reason to keep hiking up the train/bus fairs. Its the biggest con I have ever seen, and people are sitting casually and taking it. It is akin to taking a credit card, and having the credit card companies ask us, in future, to put money on the cards, and then when we purchase something, that money will be taken out. Lol, sounds quite like a bank. And just by the by, the bank bailouts are the biggest daylight robery ever, right before our eyes, but maybe the eyes are closed...

Sounds much like here! I can't believe how much I fork over every time I get on the bus. I use the same card system as well so it's roughly $5.00 a day which in the grand scheme of things isn't terrible until you break it down.

About $6.00 a day would get me to and from home in my own car with a car payment, oil changes, insurance and gass and I'd not spend an hour commuting each day either. It'd be 20 minutes or/probably less each day.

I'm looking to buy a car now because they are decreasing routes, and the bus is never on time anyway. I can spend an hour and a half trying to get from home each day if I happen to get off of work 3 minutes late. It's nuts! Plus the buses are overcrowded now. Arrg.

Is it better than a third world? Heck yeah! But when I give a tenth of my salary every year to something, it better give me something for it. I miss having a life!

[waybread]

Do we really want this forum to turn into a site where any and all conspiracy theories, no matter how unsupportable, get a hearing?

On some other thread I actually did some research on the rumour about the Fed "losing" kazillions of dollars. It turns out to be yesterday's news. It just took a while for all the funds to be tracked, due to the sudden draw-down of funds during the financial crisis of 2008-09.

It also turns out that what a lot of the Big Bad Evil Geniuses did was perfectly legal at the time, thanks to deregulation under the Bush-Greenspan regime. This is why they won't be prosecuted.

The only reason why I bother to respond to threads like this is that these Chicken Little rumour mills produce little good, and often a lot of fear and misinformation.

I am starting to think that the near mass hysteria generated by all of these Internet conspiracy theories about the Big Evil Geniuses running our lives is actually the manifestation of Pluto in Capricorn.

Pluto often manifests as secrecy. Capricorn deals in authority figures.

How are you folks handling your own transiting Pluto in Capricorn these days?

[Monk]

Hi JupiterAsc,

It was Sirius Culminating over Philadelphia at the midnight day marker on 31st December 1781 when the first bank in America was chartered by The Congress of the Confederation.

http://explorepahistory.com/hmarker....rkerId=1-A-207

Graph below on attachment.

[JUPITERASC]

Originally Posted by Monk

Hi JupiterAsc,
It was Sirius Culminating over Philadelphia at the midnight day marker on 31st December 1781 when the first bank in America was chartered by The Congress of the Confederation.
http://explorepahistory.com/hmarker....rkerId=1-A-207
Graph below on attachment.

My mistake! So it was Sirius Monk - ok! btw thanks for the link... nice image of a Georgian mansion curiously located in America! Shows strong English influence Historically. The name "Summerseat" is interesting as well - isn't there a famous Georgian city in Somerset, England (phonetically so similar to "Summerseat")? And Bucks County links to the County of Buckinghamshire in England? Definitely one to mull over

[piercethevale]

Originally Posted by JUPITERASC

My mistake! So it was Sirius Monk - ok! btw thanks for the link... nice image of a Georgian mansion curiously located in America! Shows strong English influence Historically. The name "Summerseat" is interesting as well - isn't there a famous Georgian city in Somerset, England (phonetically so similar to "Summerseat")? And Bucks County links to the County of Buckinghamshire in England? Definitely one to mull over

Interestingly, my mother, nee 'Hough', is [was] a direct ancestor of the man known as "THE Settler of Bucks Co. Pennsylvania." Richard Hough of Cheshire, England. [arrived in 1685]
My fav. author? W. Somerset Maugham...!

...and my fav. book by W.S.M.[?], "The Razors Edge" [I read it at 17 having seen the movie the year before...it strangely somewhat reflects my own life to date...

[from Wikiprdia]
"The Razor’s Edge is a book by W. Somerset Maugham published in 1944. Its epigraph reads, "The sharp edge of a razor is difficult to pass over; thus the wise say the path to Salvation is hard," taken from a verse in the Katha-Upanishad.
The Razor’s Edge tells the story of Larry Darrell, an American pilot traumatized by his experiences in World War I, who sets off in search of some transcendent meaning in his life. The story begins through the eyes of Larry’s friends and acquaintances as they witness his personality change after the War. His rejection of conventional life and search for meaningful experience allows him to thrive while the more materialistic characters suffer reversals of fortune. The book was twice adapted into film, first in 1946 starring Tyrone Power and Gene Tierney, and Herbert Marshall as Maugham."

[Bill Murray and his remake, 'Butchered It"...IMHO...of course...Bill should have never cast himself as Larry. The scene Bill Murray in the script [that Tyrone Power played so adeptly and convincingly] where-in 'Larry' [Bill Murray] is seated in some sort of half-a$$ed Lotus position staring out at the sun rise or WTF it was he was staring blankly at and then suddenly breaking into a sardonic grin...more like that of someone aspiring to be a raconteur of ribald humor that 'just finally 'got the dirty little joke, rather than a spiritual aspirant that just obtained enlightenment. If you read the book and then decide to also see the movie {or vice versa} see the original movie...save Bill for 'Caddyshack']

"Maugham begins by characterising his story as not really a novel but a thinly veiled true account. He includes himself as a minor character, a writer who drifts in and out of the lives of the major players. Larry Darrell’s lifestyle is contrasted throughout the book with that of his fiancée’s uncle, Elliott Templeton, an American expatriate living in Paris and a shallow and unrepentant yet generous snob. For example, while Templeton's Roman Catholicism embraces the hierarchical trappings of the Church, Larry's proclivities tend towards the 13th century Flemish mystic and Saint John of Ruysbroeck....
Wounded and traumatized by deathin the War, Larry returns to Chicago, Illinois, and his fiancée, Isabel Bradley, only to announce that he does not plan to work and instead will "loaf" on his small inheritance. He wants to delay their marriage and refuses to take up a job as a stockbroker offered to him...
Larry moves to Paris ... study and bohemian life. After two years of this "loafing," Isabel visits and Larry asks her to join his life of wandering and searching, living in Paris and traveling with little money. She .. breaks their engagement to go back to Chicago marries a millionaire
Larry begins a sojourn through Europe, taking a job at a coal mine ... Larry then looks toward spiritual things for his answers rather than in books.... meets a Benedictine monk named Father Ensheim in Germany .... After spending several months with the Benedictines and being unable to reconcile their conception of God with his own, Larry takes a job on an ocean liner...finds himself in Bombay, India.... has significant spiritual adventures in India ...comes back to Paris. What he actually found in India and what he finally concluded are held back from the reader for a considerable time until, in a scene late in the book,...

Maugham discusses India and spirituality with Larry in a café long into the evening. He starts off the chapter by saying "I feel it right to warn the reader that he can very well skip this chapter without losing the thread of the story as I have to tell, since for most part it is nothing more than the account of a conversation that I had with Larry. However, I should add that except for this conversation, I would perhaps not have thought it worthwhile to write this book…"

Maugham then initiates the reader to 'Advaita philosophy' and reveals how, through deep meditation, Larry had realized God ... thus becoming a saint—in the process gaining liberation from the cycle of human suffering, birth and death that the rest of the earthly mortals are subject to. Just in time for the1929 stock market crash ...


...Maugham, like Hermann Hesse, was remarkably prescient, anticipating an embrace of Eastern culture by Americans and Europeans almost a decade before the Beats were to popularize it. (It should be noted that Americans had explored Eastern philosophy prior to these authors, notably in the first half of the nineteenth century by the Transcendentalists.) Maugham himself visited Sri Ramana Ashram, where he had a direct interaction with Ramana Maharshi in Tamil Nadu, India in 1938."

I do so recommend the book to you young people....and I feel that the story is 'timeless' ...I figure it will always be a tale of insight and value....a thousand years from now and beyond...as it was 70 years ago...when written.

NOW....for ....a...
Side note/anecdote of curious astrological note:

My mother also loved the story [not as much as I, but She certainly did, and enough so as, one couldn't possibly overlook and miss it...she also had a copy of the book for me to read...which, as I believe I have already stated, was at age 17.
The day I saw the movie for the first time [in the late 1960s] and noted the performance of the actor, Tyrone Power, in the movie to my mother...she confessed in me that she had a 'teen-age crush on Tyrone Power and would go to see all his movies that she had been able to in the 1940s.
She also confided in me that she had become so enamored of Tyrone by the time she was 17 or 18 she affirmed that "...if I became a mother someday and had a son I wished he would become just like Tyrone Power."
My father on the other hand was an artist...his love for movies was drawn to 'style', more than substance...IMO...and His fav. actor...none less than Rudolph Valentino [well, my father, Tony, was of pure Italian descent...]

...so what?...why do I mention this?

I just thought it might be interesting to at least some of you astrologers to note, that...

A. Tyrone Power was a Taurus with Scorpio Asc. ...just like me.
{I once said to my mom. "You got as nearly, as to having, just what you wished for, utilizing what genetic material you had to work with, as you possibly could have had."}

B. Rudolph Valentino was born May 6....just like me....

[JUPITERASC]

Originally Posted by piercethevale

Side note/anecdote of curious astrological note:

My mother also loved the story [not as much as I, but She certainly did, and enough so as, one couldn't possibly overlook and miss it...she also had a copy of the book for me to read...which, as I believe I have already stated, was at age 17.
The day I saw the movie for the first time [in the late 1960s] and noted the performance of the actor, Tyrone Power, in the movie to my mother...she confessed in me that she had a 'teen-age crush on Tyrone Power and would go to see all his movies that she had been able to in the 1940s.
She also confided in me that she had become so enamored of Tyrone by the time she was 17 or 18 she affirmed that "...if I became a mother someday and had a son I wished he would become just like Tyrone Power."
My father on the other hand was an artist...his love for movies was drawn to 'style', more than substance...IMO...and His fav. actor...none less than Rudolph Valentino [well, my father, Tony, was of pure Italian descent...]

...so what?...why do I mention this? I just thought it might be interesting to at least some of you astrologers to note, that...

A. Tyrone Power was a Taurus with Scorpio Asc. ...just like me.
{I once said to my mom. "You got as nearly as to, having just, what you wished for, utilizing what genetic material you had to work with, as you could possibly could have had."}

B. Rudolph Valentino was born May 6....just like me....

Great Maughan story... I notice you escaped being named Rudolph Tyrone Valentino Power! Interesting re: the Ascendant and date links with those famous old time movie stars

btw Summerseat Recorded as 'sumersett in 1556 meant “a hut used in the summer”, from the Old Scandinavian words 'sumarr' and 'saetr'.

Perhaps the missing 9Trillion/16Trillion is somehow linked toSummerseat http://summerseat.ourwardfamily.com/...summerseat.htm

[Monk]

Hi JupiterAsc,

The Robert Peel you mention above is very important to the history of the U.K.,(Father of son mentioned below, same name) link below:-

http://historyhome.co.uk/peel/peelhome.htm

During this early period many prime ministers were masons.

Indeed even today there are many masonic lodges still at work in "The Palace of Westminster", link below:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Welcome_Lodge

Another link to information about "Summerseat" below:-

http://www.hamers-arms.co.uk/about-us.php

[JUPITERASC]

Originally Posted by Monk

Hi JupiterAsc,

The Robert Peel you mention above is very important to the history of the U.K.,(Father of son mentioned below, same name) link below:-

http://historyhome.co.uk/peel/peelhome.htm

PEEL-ing the onion layers we find connections to the Police... Robert Peel became Tory Home Secretary 1822.

Metropolitan Police Act 1829 set up first organised police force for London (17 divisions, each with 4 inspectors and 144 constables to be controlled from Scotland Yard) answerable to the Home Secretary.

Called 'Peelers'/'Bobbies' after founder Robert Peel, they wore dark blue long-coats, tall hats (used for standing on and looking over walls!) their only weapon was a truncheon. Many 'Peelers' were drunks/bullies - hated by the public. The first policeman, given the number 1, was sacked after only FOUR HOURS! (drunk)

It was feared the police force would be used to arrest opponents of the government, stop protests and destroy free speech. It was thought that the idea of a police force belonged in a foreign country. Justices of the Peace were angry that they had no control of the police. Eventually however the impact upon crime - particularly organised crime - led to an acceptance, if not approval, of the 'Bobbies'/'Peelers'.

In 1833 PC Robert Culley was stabbed to death after the police broke up a political meeting. The jury acquitted the man who killed him, and a newspaper awarded the jurors medals! http://www.learnhistory.org.uk/cpp/met.htm

Originally Posted by Monk

During this early period many prime ministers were masons.

Indeed even today there are many masonic lodges still at work in "The Palace of Westminster", link below:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Welcome_Lodge

Another link to information about "Summerseat" below:-

http://www.hamers-arms.co.uk/about-us.php

You'll appreciate this zany humor Monk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1bHBthJN9w
plus
"The Mother of All Bubbles Is Just Starting To Pop... Trillion Dollar Terror Exposed: Bush, Fed, and European Banks in $15 Trillion Fraud, All Documented"
http://theintelhub.com/2012/02/23/tr...ll-documented/


LORD JAMES OF BLACKHEATH, EXPOSING "TRILLION DOLLAR TERROR"
By Gordon Duff, Senior Editor
February 23, 2012


QUOTE:

"Below is one of the strangest stories in financial history, one involving the US government lying about hundreds of thousands of tons of imaginary gold, illegal wire transfers and loans totalling $15 trillion.


The video, from the House of Lords, is amazing in itself.


What it doesn’t express is where the money came from though Lord James of Blackheath proves conclusively that an effort was made to say it came from a gold reserve in Brunei that, in fact, never existed.


At surface, it appears we have stumbled upon the largest terrorist organization in the world and have found original documents tracing its funding to the Secretary of the Treasury and the Chairman of the Federal Reserve, two of the top financial officers in the US"

[Monk]

Loved the Monty Python, obviously we might wish to influence, but our little forum can't influence the World Stage of Politics...we may get help but it is in the lap of the gods and playing a good game of Chess...we play long odds...it is better than not playing at all!

No nation brought us to the point that we like bringing other nations down by our science, we are at crossroads of having the ability of making life on Earth impossible...history analysis is important....not sure we can stop the World Stage by our analysis of how we have developed in regards to history...we try, but perhaps we will get help from another mysterious source...i only hope!

In the end, monks hope, but whatever, record history... it is what they have always done...good monks don't look for power, it corrupts, we record history, hopefully in an unbiased manner regarding all nations!

[JUPITERASC]

Agreed Monk. Presentation of the plain facts is key to profitable/useful discussion

Speaking of profitable – here's an intriguing quote from article at
http://theintelhub.com/2012/02/23/tr...ll-documented/

“In fact, Lord James has offered a wealth of documents which, when combined with the 2000 pages of Wanta “discovery” from the Federal Court, constitutes more than prima facia evidence of money laundering, conversion, terrorism or worse. Thus, the inaction in the face of overwhelming and unquestioned proof is inexplicable.

As the funds, at least the half which the US government can claim ownership of, combined with the interest and earnings of, would quickly put the US “in the black,” we look at, not just the press blackout on the Wanta litigation of the last 6 years but the press blackout on Lord James of Blackheath and the wealth of damning documentation he submitted to Parliament.


Nothing has been done since, it is as though the proof submitted was so dangerous that those moments in time have been erased by a mysterious g-dlike power.”


curiouser and curiouser