Please help me read a composite chart

[StillOne]

Friends of mine wanted me to take a look at their Composite Chart. Being interested I agreed. However, I'm new to astrology overall and have spent more of my studies on Natal Charts so far.

That being said, these are the things that I notice about this chart.

1. Scorpio Ascendant tells me that their initial connection was intense and deep.

2. Stellium in 2nd house in Saggitarius including Mercury, Neptune, North Node and Sun with a couple of T squares. I think this means that there's some illusion about what they possess in this relationship and about their evolution and ultimate destiny in this relationship. Something they are probably not aware of yet... It really seems that with Neptune in here that it clouds the potenial positive aspects involved like Sun Conj NN.

3. Moon squares Mercury, Sun, Neptune, & Mars

4. Mars Quincunx Uranus and Sun Quincunx Saturn

I'm struggling to find something positive to say about this chart!

Thanks,
StillOne

[Love2Know]

Hmmmmmmmm ummmmmmmm It's a good growing experience?

[StillOne]

Here's the synastry chart if that helps...

[Love2Know]

Yay I am gunna try to understand it after school thanks!

[waybread]

First off, do you have correct birth times for both people? One looks correct, but the woman's birth time has been erased. If it is a default noon birth time or a guess, you can't use houses because they might be way off. Also the composite moon could move forwards or backwards a bit.

If you start with the sun, it shows the identity of the relationship. Sun conjunct Venus is super, because it shows that there is a lot of love and affection in the relationship. I would read the Neptune-Mercury conjunction as indicating a lot of idealism--stars in their eyes, even. While this is good for love and affection, they also have to make an effort to be ultra-realistic about the relationship. Neptune gives beautiful illusions, but its flip side can be bitter disillusionment.

If you have got solid birth times for both of them and the houses are valid, we could read that the couple are focused on money and possessions (valuables). With Sagittarius on the cusp, however, I would read the second house more as "what they value" or shared values. Shared values are highly beneficial in a relationship. However, with Neptune in the mix, they need to be very realistic about their finances. Money apparently is the number one source of arguments among couples! Neptune says, "Don't worry about that credit card debt: something will turn up." But actually, nobody should anticipate money magically appearing that they can't account for with their current incomes.

With the ruler of the second in the fourth house (again, assuming a valid birth time for both) and with that square to the moon, they may be tempted to over-spend money on their home.

The ascendant shows the "personality" of the relationship, notably to other people. With Scorpio rising, they may appear a little intense or secretive to others. With Scorpio's modern ruler Pluto well-aspected in the 11th, and its traditional ruler in the 7th, they have the potential to be friends, and also to put a lot of energy into the relationship. With Mars squaring the moon (moods, emotions), however, they need to develop a good way to cope with disagreements, as "the house of marriage" can all too easily become "the house of open enemies."

Another piece of good news, however, is that their composite Saturn trine Jupiter should give them a lot of patience and staying power to get through the rough spots that any relationship inevitably faces.

[waybread]

So the bi-wheel puts the woman on the outside? Have you got a correct birth time for her?

[StillOne]

Thank you Waybread,
Yes, both birthtimes are correct. In the bi-wheel this puts the woman on the outside.

Waybread, am I way off base on the other squares (T Squares) and quincunx posing possible issues? This is just for my own head... I don't think I want to share this since this is a relatively new relationship.

[Love2Know]

What does that mean if she is on the outside of the bi-wheel?

[StillOne]

Originally Posted by Love2Know

What does that mean if she is on the outside of the bi-wheel?

It means that her natal chart is placed on the outside of his natal chart. In this way the signs are matched up so you can see which planets of hers fall in his houses. You can also reverse the chart to get the opposite position... where his chart is on the outside to see where his planets fall in hers.

[StillOne]

Originally Posted by StillOne

Waybread, am I way off base on the other squares (T Squares) and quincunx posing possible issues?

For example, in the bi-wheel I see her sun quincunx his. I've read that there's a few theories on what this may mean. One site suggested this:

Sun quincunx Sun:
What does it mean in a relationship when your natal Sun is quincunx your romantic partner’s Sun? A Sun quincunx Sun aspect signals you need to make adjustments if you want this romantic relationship to work out. You don’t have a whole lot in common, the same differences that caught your attention in the first place are likely to become minor annoyances working their way up toward major frustrations over time. You are both looking for love, not the same kind, not the same way. If one likes it loud, the other prefers it muted. You both want something else out of life.

[waybread]

They way I do synastry is to look for:

1. suns sextiled or trined (could be conjunct, if they had roughly the same birth date!) Ego compatibility.

2. moons conjunct, sextiled or trined (emotional compatibility. Since the moon rules the home, this is also good for sharing a home.

3. Mars-Venus chemistry. Look for conjunctions sextiles or trines between his Mars and her Venus, and his Venus and her Mars.

4. Look for harmonious inter-aspects with the above (like sun-moon)

5. Look for harmonious aspects between other planet-pairs as well as inter-aspects. Also with the ascendants. Jupiter is a great help, because it gives a "feel good" quality to what it touches. Harmonious Mercuries are good for communication. Outer-to-outer planet contacts are more of a generational thing, and they are normal for people born around the same year.

The first 3 are kind of the "gold standard". Many successful couples don't have them, but if you find them, they are really helpful. It won't matter so much if his Saturn trines her Uranus, for example, if the basic ego- and emotional compatibility is lacking.

Also, it's good to look at the two charts individually, so you get a sense of how each person operates as an individual.

[Love2Know]

NiCE BREAKDOWn!!!

[StillOne]

Thanks so much Waybread! That's a great synopsis. Very informative.

[rahu]

this is a evryuunusaula relationship and is very complicated as it is creative.with mercury/neptune square to the sun,the emotional connection is very close.neptune likely brings a strong psychic connection and they can sense each others feelings and thoughts.i very rarified emotional sensitivity as well as expression of feelings as much as they are known, for neptunes influence shows that feelings are changeable .this is an extremely powerful creative aspect so i would think that these people or one may be creative artists or writers.

this can give a very spiritual sense to the relationship but as a square ,it also brings the potential for disloyalty.the emotional connection puts one into the clouds too easily as other aspects show you must live the relationship now and don't plan on the future per se.

this is difficult as jupiter is square to the sun/venus conjunction.this is a impluse to commit.it give energy and ambtion to the relationship as well as a positive attitude.with the mars/venus midoint conjunct to jupiter, i would think they may be engaged as the attraction toward exclusivity is so strong.

the major pattern that is problematic is the venus/moon and sun/moon midpoints conjunct to uranus .this adds to the intensity of attraction and affection ,it give the immediate chemistry of interest in each other.
very hot,expansive.but the sun/jupiter andvenus/jupiter midpoints atre squyare to uranus.this give instbility in a relationship and a highly likelyhood that the relationship will break off.

the mars/uranus midpoint square to the saturn/uranus midpoints show a deep need of personal freedom and with the saturn/uranus midpoint opposed to the venus/mars midpoint and square to neptune/mercury,the electricity and intensity of the physical expression of love will not curb his waywardness.as the mars/uranus midpoint conjunct the nadir shows the relatiohsip has always revolved around his unique and independent spirit.
just unlikely to settle down.

the spiritual/psychic/mental connection is so amazing .

if alcohol/substances are a fixture of the relationship, then there is a great danger of betrayal.

if this is a new relationship it probably became serious last year around this time or so.

it seems they are contemplating marriage . the pressures indicate relatively soon but obstructions will likely put the date off to next year.

there is just so much they don't know about each other.

rahu

[StillOne]

Thank you Rahu for that very detailed analysis!

Originally Posted by rahu

this is a evryuunusaula relationship and is very complicated as it is creative.with mercury/neptune square to the sun,the emotional connection is very close.neptune likely brings a strong psychic connection and they can sense each others feelings and thoughts.i very rarified emotional sensitivity as well as expression of feelings as much as they are known, for neptunes influence shows that feelings are changeable .this is an extremely powerful creative aspect so i would think that these people or one may be creative artists or writers.

Did you mean Moon instead of the Sun in the above passage? Very interesting about the Neptune psychic condition there. Neptune is a singleton in his chart. Venus is a singleton in her chart.

The man is very creative. He plays various instruments, is a scientist and can paint as well. The thing is that he's very unaware of his latent talents I feel. Especially the potentially psychic ones. He has some planets in the 12th house and a Yod. I think I understand his Yod but I'm not sure he believes in higher mental/spiritual development and so is relatively stuck not expanding...

I have not met the woman yet. In her natal chart she has 2 T Squares. From what I hear, she's very disciplined being a pilates instructor as her profession. I'll post the charts below.

Originally Posted by rahu

this can give a very spiritual sense to the relationship but as a square ,it also brings the potential for disloyalty.the emotional connection puts one into the clouds too easily as other aspects show you must live the relationship now and don't plan on the future per se.

Very wise words. Thanks.

Originally Posted by rahu

this is difficult as jupiter is square to the sun/venus conjunction.this is a impluse to commit.it give energy and ambtion to the relationship as well as a positive attitude.with the mars/venus midoint conjunct to jupiter, i would think they may be engaged as the attraction toward exclusivity is so strong.

the major pattern that is problematic is the venus/moon and sun/moon midpoints conjunct to uranus .this adds to the intensity of attraction and affection ,it give the immediate chemistry of interest in each other.
very hot,expansive.but the sun/jupiter andvenus/jupiter midpoints atre squyare to uranus.this give instbility in a relationship and a highly likelyhood that the relationship will break off.

Ok, I have not witnessed the two of them together. I usually have a pretty good feel for the energy between people and since I haven't met them yet I just don't know. However, by looking at the chart I could tell that there could be an undertone of disharmony. The question is if they are aware of it. I think not, with some of the very intense chemistry at work.

Originally Posted by rahu

the mars/uranus midpoint square to the saturn/uranus midpoints show a deep need of personal freedom and with the saturn/uranus midpoint opposed to the venus/mars midpoint and square to neptune/mercury,the electricity and intensity of the physical expression of love will not curb his waywardness.as the mars/uranus midpoint conjunct the nadir shows the relatiohsip has always revolved around his unique and independent spirit.
just unlikely to settle down.

He's always had difficulty in relationships. There's a few reasons for it but I do think Uranus plays a big part since it's conjunct his ascendant.

Originally Posted by rahu

the spiritual/psychic/mental connection is so amazing .

if alcohol/substances are a fixture of the relationship, then there is a great danger of betrayal.

if this is a new relationship it probably became serious last year around this time or so.

it seems they are contemplating marriage . the pressures indicate relatively soon but obstructions will likely put the date off to next year.

there is just so much they don't know about each other.

rahu

It is just like you said, a newer relationship that began in the last year. There is no substance abuse on either side. I don't know if they're contemplating marriage or not. It seems they are very unique souls. I hope things work out.

Thanks for taking the time Rahu!

[rahu]

thanx for catching that ,i did mistakenly put the sun instead of the moon.

just musing, but if he seems ambivalent to acknowledge the etheric vibrations, then he would be likely be creative but jealous and narcistic .

there can only be veracity or falsity here. though he likes the water stirred up and grey.

rahu

[StillOne]

Originally Posted by rahu

thanx for catching that ,i did mistakenly put the sun instead of the moon.

just musing, but if he seems ambivalent to acknowledge the etheric vibrations, then he would be likely be creative but jealous and narcistic .

there can only be veracity or falsity here. though he likes the water stirred up and grey.

rahu

Very true, he is creative and can be narcissistic... Virgo sun afterall. Not sure about jealous but maybe so... I wouldn't discount that.

Interesting about water.. He is a waterman as well.

[StillOne]

Rahu, I'm curious in some matters on this chart. Seeing he has the Yod to Saturn in the 9th, do you think, with the nature of this relationship, that if he doesn't realize the nature of his yod, that this relationship might fail? This person is very affected by the 9th house Saturn it's very apparent. Do you think that maybe this relationship will help him in realizing these matters as if by design, possibly? If he chooses not to take on realizing his higher potential by transcending his Saturn Yod position that this relationship may fail?

I suppose if he doesn't expand that the relationship may well be fine but just not reaching it's incredible potential. Which, I suppose, is true for all relationships.

Just thinking outloud... or not

[rahu]

i don't like to comment on natals so i can't add anything to yor musings

rahu