My name says it all

OnTheCusp · #1 11-12-2011, 03:58 PM

I spent the first 18 years of my life thinking I was a Scorpio. I started noticing though that sometimes my birthday would fall in Libra (e.g., in newspapers). After I got AOL back in the 90s, I found an astrologer (two actually) who could resolve this dilemma for me. One said I was Scorpio, the other Libra.

A few years ago, I cast my chart to check, and turns out I AM a Libra. Now, I am looking at the chart again, while studying a book on astrology, and I have the following question...

Here is (ok, fine, ARE, for those social scientists out there) my data in case you want to look it up:
Born 10/23/79
At 7:11 PM (I weighed 7 11 too!)
Milwaukee, WI

My chart says my Sun is in Libra 29 deg 59 min 18 sec.

Now, does that mean that I am literally only SECONDS from being a Scorpio?? This would explain the constant battle I feel between masculine and feminine....or at least underscore it I suppose.

If you cast my chart, and look at it, almost Everything is in the quadrant between the DC and IC. I'm assuming this is significant. Any thoughts?

I'm excited to finally be delving into this fascinating topic. There are som many things to analyze. If you can think of things based on my chart that would be good to ponder, please let me know!

Doug

PS I have a very certain feeling that this week (beginning last Sunday, when I had, no joke, an 8 hour mystical experience that for me, signaled the ending of a 32 year period and heralding a new one) is EXTREMELY important in my development. Is there any way to see if this idea is supported by my chart?

StillOne · #2 11-12-2011, 04:05 PM

Please post a chart from Astro.com. In the Extended Chart Selection you can find many variables to choose from. It would be best to reduce your orb size to 85% as astro.com uses really wide orbs. Then upload here as a thumbnail so your chart doesn't expire.

It helps when we can see the chart.

You may consider posting a chart with transits as well since there seems to be some planetary influence at the moment for you. It's available in a drop down on that site.

OnTheCusp · #3 11-12-2011, 04:14 PM

OMG there ARE a ton of options. Just when I thought I had gotten the hang of it lol.

OK I hope that worked!

OnTheCusp · #4 11-12-2011, 04:16 PM

Visually, all those "lines" seem to look like a funnel or cup, pointed towards the Sun sign. Perhaps this is the way it usually looks (I've only seen a few charts in my lifetime), though it seems like it could be significant.

OnTheCusp · #5 11-12-2011, 04:25 PM

Oops forgot the transits. Here you go...

StillOne · #6 11-12-2011, 04:29 PM

I'm leaving shortly, so I'll have to get back to this later. You can begin by researching those "lines" which are aspects between your planets. Your "red lines" are squares between planets. For example your Moon Squares Jupiter.
http://cafeastrology.com/natal/moonjupiteraspects.html

Inconjunct · #7 11-12-2011, 04:48 PM

Your Sun is in Libra, absolutely. Even if it were at 29 degrees 59 minutes and 59 seconds, it would still be in Libra. You are a Sun-Libra.

Quadrant emphasis is indeed important. Here's a link to a very good article about it

http://www.lunarliving.org/astrology...adrants1.shtml

Chart shaping is also of interest. I would say you have a bundle shape. Here's a couple of brief snippets about that

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/aspects2.html#be

http://www.astrologywizard.com/learn_shapes.htm

As for this: -

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I have a very certain feeling that this week (beginning last Sunday, when I had, no joke, an 8 hour mystical experience that for me, signaled the ending of a 32 year period and heralding a new one) is EXTREMELY important in my development. Is there any way to see if this idea is supported by my chart?

I would suspect that might have something to do with transiting Neptune trine your Sun, plus transiting Uranus inconjunct your Sun. Trine transits are to do with the removal of obstacles; inconjunct transits are all about change.

Rebel Uranian · #8 11-12-2011, 04:53 PM

Libra is ruled by Venus. Venus here is in Scorpio. Scorpio is ruled by Mars (some say Pluto but I can't figure out why.) Mars is in Leo. Leo is ruled by the Sun. The Sun is in Libra. Mutual reception.

Inconjunct · #9 11-12-2011, 05:04 PM

With respect, you've got that slightly wrong, RU - mutual reception would be if the Sun were in Libra and Venus were in Leo. What you're describing is the Sun dispositing Mars.

OnTheCusp · #10 11-12-2011, 06:30 PM

Thank you so much for taking the time to help me out. I don't yet know what all those terms mean, but I'm looking forward to researching the links.

On the Sun sign issue...can we REALLY say that I'm a Libra? I mean, and this is where I think I might be getting my math wrong. If there are 60 seconds in a minute, and sixty minutes in a degree, and 30 degrees in a sign, then each sign equates to 108,000 "seconds". If I'm 29/59/18 (or about 29.988 degrees in decimal format) that occurs on the 107,958th second.

Oh wait...scratch that, just figured out my error. I was using some idea that the sun travels one degree every 4 minutes (maybe during the day). But the signs would each have a duration of about (365x24x60x60)/12 or 2.628 million seconds. That works out to 87,600 seconds per degree. So the .012 degrees remaining in Libra corresponds to 1,051.2 seconds, or 17.52 minutes.

So I'm at least 15 minutes from being a Scorpio, not 2.88 seconds, as I had previously calculated (and in which case I would argue was too narrow a margin to make precise calculations taking into consideration lag in recording birth time, latitude/longitude error, etc.).

Gosh, I feel like in the movie Pi. ;-)

Now, I do recall reading somewhere that the sign is broken up unto three sections, and that where your sign falls in those three subdivisions carries meaning. If I'm in the caboose of the house of Libra, what does this mean?

Do I inherit Scorpio influences as a rule?

Thanks again--this is fascinating stuff.

If anyone sees that I will become rich and famous and/or a messiah, let me know!

Inconjunct · #11 11-12-2011, 07:20 PM

I think you're talking about decans there, OTC. The **** end of Libra is the Gemini decan, I believe

http://www.astroroom.com/libra-decans.html

The Sun moves roughly one degree a day, plus or minus a few minutes

The Ascendant advances by one degree every 4 minutes

Rebel Uranian · #12 11-12-2011, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Inconjunct

With respect, you've got that slightly wrong, RU - mutual reception would be if the Sun were in Libra and Venus were in Leo. What you're describing is the Sun dispositing Mars.

And since the Sun deposits Mars, and Venus deposits the Sun, and Mars deposits Venus, and the Sun deposits Mars, and Venus deposits the Sun, and Mars deposits Venus, and the Sun deposits Mars, and Venus deposits the Sun, and Mars deposits Venus, and the Sun deposits Mars, and Venus deposits the Sun, and Mars deposits Venus, and the Sun deposits Mars, and Venus deposits the Sun, and Mars deposits Venus, and the Sun deposits Mars, and Venus deposits the Sun, and Mars deposits Venus, and the Sun deposits Mars, and Venus deposits the Sun, and Mars deposits Venus, and the Sun deposits Mars, and Venus deposits the Sun, and Mars deposits Venus, and the Sun deposits Mars... it's a mutual reception with 3 planets.

astrologer50 · #13 11-12-2011, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Rebel Uranian

Libra is ruled by Venus. Venus here is in Scorpio. Scorpio is ruled by Mars (some say Pluto but I can't figure out why.) Mars is in Leo. Leo is ruled by the Sun. The Sun is in Libra. Mutual reception.

The difference here is between Modern and Tradtional Scorpio is ruled by Pluto (modernly) and Traditionally by mars....

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libra is ruled by Venus. Venus here is in Scorpio. Scorpio is ruled by Mars (some say Pluto but I can't figure out why.) Mars is in Leo. Leo is ruled by the Sun. The Sun is in Libra. Mutual reception.

So venus in scorpio is ruled by *pluto*. Mars is in leo ruled by sun - yes.
Sun is in libra, ruled by venus BUT venus has to BE in either taurus or libra to be in mutual reception.

mutual reception
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_reception

How to find your career- sticky in Vocational Forum
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32775
please give some background ie: education, aspirations, options

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Do I inherit Scorpio influences as a rule?

Actually, secondary progressions means that you within first six months of your life your sun changed from libra to scorpio for nex t30years of your life, then saggi for next 30years.....

Caprising · #14 11-13-2011, 01:12 AM

If my math is correct: The sun is 30 minutes of arc wide (half of a degree), so there will be 12 times in a year that the sun will be in both signs for a period of 12 hours (the sun moves 60' or 1 degree per 24 hours). The centre of the sun at 00*00' Scorpio will have 15' of arc in both signs. Nancy Anne Hastings touches on this subject in her first book on secondary progressions, and says that the native will have the characteristics of both signs. The sign that has the larger portion of the sun in it will be the predominate influence! As the sun progresses into the next sign in the first year of life, (and will stay there for the next 30 years) the next sign will become the larger influence.

Inconjunct · #15 11-13-2011, 06:41 AM

RU - you can't have a mutual reception with three planets, it doesn't work. It's a two way relationship based on rulerships. However, you can certainly have a pattern of disposition as you rightly point out, and that would be a triangular relationship that would be worthy of note in a chart, strengthened by aspects between the three planets.

Rebel Uranian · #16 11-14-2011, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by astrologer50

So venus in scorpio is ruled by *pluto*. Mars is in leo ruled by sun - yes.
Sun is in libra, ruled by venus BUT venus has to BE in either taurus or libra to be in mutual reception.

That's domicile, not mutual reception. There is no reception by exaltation here, and we're not looking at face or terms or triplicity or anything else. Also, may you explain how Scorpio is ruled by Pluto? Pluto is the coldest/furthest non-luminary from the Sun, but Aquarius is the coldest sign, not Scorpio...

@Inconjunct - I'll remember that. Mutual reception is only for 2 planets. I'll go and correct all those people on their terminology now.

Choe · #17 11-14-2011, 08:56 PM

@ OntheCusp

Just a second from having a Sun in Scorpio??

I would say your Sun IS in Scorpio, as it's only a second, and you have progressed it when you were still a newborn baby,lol.

However,the ruler of that Sun, Pluto is in Libra. Pluto and Venus, both of your rulers are in mutual reception- so you are Libra/Scorpio person -equally.

Once again, I would count your sun sign in Scorpio, but you also have a prominent Libra, as the ruler of your stellium,Pluto, is in Libra.

astrologer50 · #18 11-14-2011, 09:03 PM

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Also, may you explain how Scorpio is ruled by Pluto

I'm a Modern astrologer, and traditional astrologers don't use outers inanyevent...

so terminology, of term ,face etc only relates to 7planets used by Traditional astrologers...

http://astrologynotes.org/wiki/Rulership