Planets on the angles

nemesis

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I only have two planets on two angles ~ Jupiter in Cancer in my 4th house of Cancer and Uranus in Scorpio on my DC/7th of Scorpio.

Does this mean these two planets are more important to me than my other planets?
Or perhaps this means they're just shown outward more or more active?

I know that planets on the angles are more important in general but wondering what kind of actual affect they have on me?

Relationships are very important to me and probably more important than they should be in ways lol.

Also I am very much happy at home and I would say I can be very much a nurturer esp. to the ones I love.

I have two stelliums in the 5th and 6th and I always assumed they would be of more importance but now I wonder.

My chart is in my sig if you wanna see more.
 
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byjove

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Hi there, there is actually an older thread with many replies on this. When I don't really need to link something, I can use the search results correctly, and when I need to link something the results show the wrong stuff! If you know how to use the search, look for planets on the angles/similar!

Good luck!
 

JUPITERASC

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There are many different forms of astrology nemesis - Those currently referred to as Hellenistic astrologers say that planets on angles are strong and capable of producing many events. In case you are interested here is a link to a pdf of the complete Vettius Valens translation now freely available online www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/Vettius Valens entire.pdf :smile:
 

jill

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There are many different forms of astrology nemesis - Those currently referred to as Hellenistic astrologers say that planets on angles are strong and capable of producing many events. In case you are interested here is a link to a pdf of the complete Vettius Valens translation now freely available online www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/Vettius Valens entire.pdf :smile:


It is showing the link is broken. Maybe I'm not doing it right? could you check and re-post? thanks, jill
 

MaeMae

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seems to me when i get an aspect of influence landing on my sun on descendent, sun ruler of 1st, am ready to move beyond relationship into the unchartered territory. Probably why I never agreed to marry. Sun's ruler is Uranus, in first. I guess I want someone as weird as me and who has the same sense of personal freedom. This is recurrent issue during transits to sun on desc. Nonetheless, I am always entering the relationship with hope and abandon. less so in older years, but still there. The problem with Sun on desc. for me is the Need to partner with someone as interesting and eccentric as me. Sadly, we're usually both too free thinking to commit. Scared of obligation or must be able to flee at moments notice. These are the unknowns with my Sun Aquarius on Desc.
 

nemesis

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okay thanks everyone I shall look over those old threads I found a few things on it on my own but nothing that really answered my question.

I suppose though since with different forms of astrology angles and/or stelliums would be more important. Didn't think of that.

thanks again all :) will read up and post again soon.
 
okay thanks everyone I shall look over those old threads I found a few things on it on my own but nothing that really answered my question.

I suppose though since with different forms of astrology angles and/or stelliums would be more important. Didn't think of that.

thanks again all :) will read up and post again soon.

Planets conjunct a house cusp
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=202304&postcount=7
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=205033#post205033
Planets conj House cusp
“Ascendant at 15’ Libra and Jupiter 13’ Libra. That would place Jupiter in the 12th house, right? But many thoughtful astrologers would read this as Jupiter being conjunction with Ascendant, and end up reading it as bringing its action to bear in the first house, rather than in the 12th.
This same idea would apply for each and every house cusp. If the planet is IN THE SAME SIGN as the sign on the next house cusp, and close enough to be CONJUNCT WITH that next house cusp, the action of the planet will be directed into oncoming house”
http://www.astrology-numerology.com/inhouses.html
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14887
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=125412&postcount=4
Ptolemy says the influence of the house begins to be felt 5° before the actual cusp.
http://www.astrologycom.com/houses.html

“Astrologers have seen a body influencing the house it is about to enter, time and time again. All theorizing aside, the planet casting its shadow ahead works. I can speak from personal experience, as well as reading ancient texts. If you discover this as true, then the next question may be, "Just how close must a body be to a cusp before it begins to be felt in the neighboring house?"
I've seen some authors say 3 degrees. I've seen some that give 5 degrees. I have seen some that even give 8 degrees. And there may be other variations.”
http://astronuts.tribe.net/thread/90c9f417-5086-4ff0-b31f-c904fe99baca
 

Flowergirl

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Perhaps planets on the angles are strong too because they often square, oppose or even trine the Ascendant. I have a lot of outer planets making aspects to my Asc and they are quite a significant part of who I am.
 

serafin5

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Dear Astrologer50:

Question: Based on your post about having a planet conj the next house cusp does this basically mean if my Jupiter is within 3deg of the next house (in this case for me the 6th) means my Jupiter really belongs in that next house? This has been a stumper for me for years: Placidius says the 5thHse & Equal Hse says the 6th. (My Jupiter is 18deg Aries; Placidius 6thHse is 21degs. Equal Hse the 6th would be @ 14deg Aries.)

Thanks
Serafin5

PS My 6th Hse IS Aries; I think I got my answer.
 
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JUPITERASC

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The artificial divisions we now know as houses were attempts by the early Greeks and the Hindus to measure strength "points" in the horoscope, which at some point in time(7th and 8th centuries AD) were construed or confused as means of dividing the birth chart. The ascendant and midheaven degrees and their opposites, for example, were definite power points or areas of intense focus, but not necessarily the beginnings of a house or quadrant.

In fact, there is no real basis for the astrological houses at all. They derive from a misunderstanding of the true nature of the Ascendant and Midheaven factors in astrology. If any house system should be used at all, it should be the Whole Sign House system, where the ascendant sign becomes the whole first house and the others follow. The ascendant point can then fall anywhere in the first house and the midheaven point anywhere in the upper half of the chart.


http://www.librarising.com/astrology/misc/wholesignhouses.html
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16010
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39669 :smile:
 
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Dear Astrologer50:

Question: Based on your post about having a planet conj the next house cusp does this basically mean if my Jupiter is within 3deg of the next house (in this case for me the 6th) means my Jupiter really belongs in that next house? [yes]This has been a stumper for me for years: Placidius says the 5thHse & Equal Hse says the 6th. (My Jupiter is 18deg Aries; Placidius 6thHse is 21degs. Equal Hse the 6th would be @ 14deg Aries.)

Thanks
Serafin5

PS My 6th Hse IS Aries; I think I got my answer.

In Equal house, each house cusp would be same as Asc degree. Planets conj house cusp is bit like, standing in a doorway, one foot last house but now facing going forward into next house. Like it's finished it's business in the house where it's posited....
 

serafin5

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The artificial divisions we now know as houses were attempts by the early Greeks and the Hindus to measure strength "points" in the horoscope, which at some point in time(7th and 8th centuries AD) were construed or confused as means of dividing the birth chart. The ascendant and midheaven degrees and their opposites, for example, were definite power points or areas of intense focus, but not necessarily the beginnings of a house or quadrant.

In fact, there is no real basis for the astrological houses at all. They derive from a misunderstanding of the true nature of the Ascendant and Midheaven factors in astrology. If any house system should be used at all, it should be the Whole Sign House system, where the ascendant sign becomes the whole first house and the others follow. The ascendant point can then fall anywhere in the first house and the midheaven point anywhere in the upper half of the chart.

http://www.librarising.com/astrology/misc/wholesignhouses.html
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16010
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39669 :smile:
JupAsc:
Ive never heard 'whole houses' explained before so now it makes a whole lot more sense to me especially you knowing some history behind it. I have always questioned the house systems because if your Asc isnt always 1deg of whatever sign then your first house always falls somewhere in the next sign and Ive always wondered if having some of the next sign as your 1st house does the person evince qualities of that next sign?

Thank you so much.
Serafin5:smile:
 
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JUPITERASC

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JupAsc:
Ive never heard 'whole houses' explained before so now it makes a whole lot more sense to me especially you knowing some history behind it. I have always questioned the house systems because if your Asc isnt always 1deg of whatever sign then your first house always falls somewhere in the next sign and Ive always wondered if having some of the next sign as your 1st house does the person evince qualities of that next sign?

Thank you so much.
Serafin5:smile:

That's OK Serafin5! I'm glad the information I provided has proved helpful for you :smile: dr. farr, who is both skilled and knowledgeable on the history of whole sign 'whole houses', gave us a clear explanation of the proper use of whole sign on a thread entitled "whole sign or placidus?" (at this link http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=311413 )
Cusps: Today (and for the past thousand years or so) we define cusps as "borders" (coasts), but that is not the original meaning of the word "cusp": it means "point" such as cuspal teeth (bicuspids) and the point of a sword

- so originally the term cusp meant the "point" of something, and in astrology originally the "cusp" of the house meant its "point";

now, when quadrant systems were developed, this "point" of the house came to mean its "beginning", which later came to mean its "border", ie, the "border" between one house and the other.

And later astrology also began using these "borders" (cusps) for various prognostic applications (Charles Carter came to believe that, for timing of events, the "cusps" of the Campanus house system gave the best results, among the various quadrant house systems)

But now notice this: in whole sign the cusps are NOT the 0 degree "borders" of sign/houses at all, and never were so regarded!

In whole sign, the "cusp" retained its original meaning, not as a "border" but rather as A POINT

-and that POINT (cusp) for EACH house, was the sensitive point of that house, viz, the sensitive point in whole sign houses - each house - that is the "cusp" of each house - is a direct projection from the ascending degree.

Example:
-the ascending degree of a chart is 18 Taurus: what are the house cusps (sensitive points, original meaning of the word "cusp") in the whole sign houses of this chart?
Cusp of 1st house = 18 Taurus
Cusp of 2nd house = 18 Gemini
Cusp of 3rd house = 18 Cancer
Cusp of 4th house = 18 Leo
Cusp of 5th house = 18 Virgo
Cusp of 6th house = 18 Libra
Cusp of 7th house = 18 Scorpio
Cusp of 8th house = 18 Sagittarius
Cusp of 9th house = 18 Capricorn
Cusp of 10th house = 18 Aquarius
Cusp of 11th house = 18 Pisces
Cusp of 12th house = 18 Aries

Now it is these "cusps" (sensitive degrees, original meaning of the word "cusp" as a "point") that are (and were) used for progressions, timing of events, etc, and the fact is that they work for these purposes, quite well (in expert hands)

Whole sign does not use the BORDERS between houses (always 0 degree of any sign) for anything, but it DOES use "cusps" (points in the house, projected from the exact ascending degree) for timing (and other) delineative purposes.

Whole sign suddenly vanished (both in the West and in Vedic astrology) during the same period of time - ie, late 8th to early 9th century - this sudden disappearance suggests a sudden turn in astrological thinking and practices, rather than a gradual supplanting of a less effective traditional method (whole sign) by a new and more effective method (rheotrius/alchabitius in the West, and the closely related to whole sign Equal house, in Vedic astrology)

For me, there is only 1 reason I switched to whole sign - it worked better (FOR ME)

I could care less if it were the oldest house system (which it is) or whether it was invented by Badda Bing at Barney's Beanery in Bayonne, 10 years ago:
only things I consider are:
-does it seem to make sense?
-does it "taste good" to me (ie, does it "feel right" to me)
-and, if yes to the above, does it work (producing delineations and predicitions) better than what I have previously been doing?

Well, whole sign did all that, for me, so I switched; but I am not going to try to convince anyone of anything about it, except for beginners - to you who might just be starting out, I would say: try whole sign first, and see how well it might work for you...
 
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