Hippies

[Rebel Uranian]

Just wondering, what on a chart would indicate being a hippie? Would it be Neptune since hippies do drugs or Uranus since hippies are nonconformist or what would it be?

While we're at it, not nearly as important, but what would indicate an avant-garde artist? Especially the ones who make stuff seemingly for the purpose of people not being able to understand it until they're "in" and studied it a lot?

Oh, and as a paradox, what would indicate someone who is able to stop people from having the remote possibility of reading their chart, and is not interested in astrology themselves?

Mostly focus on hippies, as they're the most important here and what we're mostly lacking in nowadays.

[Lin]

Although I prefer not showing my chart, I will say that I have always thought of myself as unconventional....and since I am of the "hippie" generation, I often think of myself as an aging hippie.
HOwever: a big difference between me and the full blown hippie (lol) is that my drug use was confined to weed.

Uranus is VERY active in my chart: angular, trine Neptune, sextile my Pluto & my Sun and square my Mars. Also a couple of quintiles from Uranus. Uranus rules my 4th house and therefore being a bit eccentric and unconventional is part of my authentic identity. I am a professional astrologer, tho it was my 3rd and final profession, not my first.
I am the black sheep in my family and usually follow my own rules, when possible.

I really do believe in "live and let live" and have very few prejudices.

I never chased money and "things" for their own sake. In fact, I don't trust people who have more money than they can spend....unless they are philanthropists.

I think there IS such a thing as being too rich and too thin.

Gardening plays a big part in my life.

I believe in "free love" BUT unfortunately THAT time is gone....probably forever.
It WAS fun while it lasted.

"Almost Cut My Hair".....but didn't.
Music: can't live without it.

JEANS.

LIN

[Rebel Uranian]

I don't see why anyone would want more money than they could spend. I mean, sometimes you need to have a lot because you need to spend a lot (mostly patents and art are what I can think of off the top of my head) but otherwise it just turns into clutter. I have Pisces in empty 2nd, so of course I think that... All the "money-loving" signs or whatever on my chart are actually aspecting Uranus.

Anyone else have any opinions or facts? Either is useful.

[lazarusx]

I think aspects between the Sun and Neptune may play a role (spirituality,escapism,substance use) and possibly Uranus (anti-establishment,revolution,eccentric).

I can only speak for myself, i have hard aspects from both these planets to my Sun.. i was drawn towards offbeat folk in my late teenage years, mainly small communities of people who still believed and lived a hippie-esque lifestyle. I became very drawn into psychedelic drugs and the culture itself.. i felt like there was something here i needed to experience and learn from and for a couple of years i let it all unfold.

It's intriguing to me your use of the word avant-garde, because it's only recently that i've been leaning more towards this leading edge of work in relation to consciousness and integral spirituality; Alex Grey is definitely an artist i see representing this in his art.

Originally Posted by Rebel Uranian

I don't see why anyone would want more money than they could spend. I mean, sometimes you need to have a lot because you need to spend a lot (mostly patents and art are what I can think of off the top of my head) but otherwise it just turns into clutter

I've been contemplating this notion for some time now, for the last 7 months i've worked long hours in order to save enough money to travel abroad for a year or two.. and during this time i realized how money can become an obsession, a means to virtually 'no-end' but accumulation.. it lose's its value of enriching the person's life and merely becomes a backdrop, there seems to be a major imbalance between work and leisure amongst society and it seems to be fueled by our unending desire to fill our own void.

[chispas]

I initially objected to this post because of the op’s assumptions, which I find prejudicial and judgmental - simply because he did not take the time to research or define the word “hippie.” Had he done, so he would have learned that you cannot label or define millions of people by astrological placements in a chart.
His first assumption is that hippies use drugs. How do you know that all hippies use drugs? Alcohol is a drug. Does this mean that everyone who drinks alcohol is a hippie?
My Neptune is in the eight house. Does this mean everyone in the world who has an eighth house Neptune uses drugs or is a hippie? My Uranus is in the fourth house. Does this mean that everyone who has a fourth house Uranus is a hippie or non-conformist? Frank Lloyd Wright was an architectural non-conformist. Does that make him a hippie? [deleted attacking comment - Moderator]

Here is a definition of the word "hippie."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippie

[SteveGus]

I don't usually use Uranus or Pluto in my personal charts; not that they're not important, but I think that any influences they have are probably world and generational ones rather than day to day ones. We don't have 2000 years worth of data and experience, and any interpretations of them are going to be fairly sketchy.

But my recollection is that there were a whole series of Uranus/Pluto conjunctions, in Virgo, a mutable sign of Mercury, during the middle of the 1960s. There were a series of peaks, as the planets approached and then retrograded over each other.

[piercethevale]

Originally Posted by Rebel Uranian

Just wondering, what on a chart would indicate being a hippie? Would it be Neptune since hippies do drugs or Uranus since hippies are nonconformist or what would it be?

While we're at it, not nearly as important, but what would indicate an avant-garde artist? Especially the ones who make stuff seemingly for the purpose of people not being able to understand it until they're "in" and studied it a lot?

Oh, and as a paradox, what would indicate someone who is able to stop people from having the remote possibility of reading their chart, and is not interested in astrology themselves?

Mostly focus on hippies, as they're the most important here and what we're mostly lacking in nowadays.

It was the combination of Neptune in Libra and Uranus in Cancer that really made the core belief...
Neptune in Libra is about the Spirit of THE LAW rather than the letter of the law...and Uranus in Cancer ...which is a lot to do with freedom from restrictions...Uranus in Gemini set the beat...sort of...and Uranus in Leo is when all the sexual mores came tumbling down...but overall I'd give it to the Uranus in Cancer crowd...[North Node in Aquarius at this time too...{me}...which contributed a great deal]...

[the birth chart of an 'Old Hippie' ]

[piercethevale]

...and for added evidence...notice that while Uranus was transiting Leo...most of the girlie mags in the US were taking off...[literally...wow, that was a Freudian slip/statement if ever I uttered one] With Uranus in Cancer came a lot of psychic sensitivity...and also diff. feelings about what 'Home and Family' is...so a lot of communal living came out of this group...attitudes of extended families..'the Family Dog [a S.F. Bay area communal group that handled all the concert action before Bill Graham came along...is an example...'The Farm' in Tennessee.."The Hog Farm"...of Wavy Gravy/Ken Keysey fame...Deadheads...a family if ever there was one...Morningstar Commune in Medocino...Ananda in Nevada Co. Calif...]
Also Neptune in Libra in its 'negative' influence produced the psychedelic culture...the drug influences..
Pluto in Leo has to be noted too... exalted in Leo...it empowered these people to believe in their own power as a group...themselves...their beliefs...their generation

[MaeMae]

I'm still wondering about their astrology of not bathing...
8 ~ P

[piercethevale]

Originally Posted by MaeMae

I'm still wondering about their astrology of not bathing...
8 ~ P

What..it took you two days to think of that?...yeah, I noticed you lingering with a reply yesterday...and then you didn't post...if all you wanted to do was say something negative...congrats...you win a noprize

May the bluebird of happiness chit on your hat today.

[MaeMae]

Not a fan of Uranian humour, eh?
How does one "notice" one's "lingering?" Ewww.
My brother was a hippie from his teenage years on. I had an entire childhood filled with hippie travails and great affection for the culture. But I can honestly say , a lot of them seldomed bathed. Skinny dipppin at the river didn't cut it. I had several friends in college at Berkeley who grew up on "The Farm" in Tennessee. They tought me to garden, make granola and yogurt. I love them dearly for it. But even a couple of them had hygiene issues. Just my experience...just sayin'.
Lighten Up, Oh Enlightened One...
~says the bluebird of sassiness

[Lin]

Hippie Dave,
As an astrologer I'm always curious about people with Pluto on the MC...esp. very closely. Sorry to change the subject but wouldyou mind telling us what your career turned out to be?
LIN

[piercethevale]

so now that you know where I'm coming from...I deleted those posts...don't make me put them back up. [and 12th night should do the same]...this is supposed to be a positive endeavor..Mae Mae...let's try to keep that decorum among ourselves.

[piercethevale]

Originally Posted by Lin

Hippie Dave,
As an astrologer I'm always curious about people with Pluto on the MC...esp. very closely. Sorry to change the subject but wouldyou mind telling us what your career turned out to be?
LIN

I'm through with this thread...I've got plenty on that else where in the forum. Good Morning!
[ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lS5uz...eature=related "...some people into Jesus, other people into Zen...I'm just into everyday...I don't hide from where I've been...]
ps...as to where I turn for the info you requested and is also pretty much the original source of my knowledge on these particular aspects is Sakoian and Ackers "Astrologers Handbook"...it delves into the metaphysical and spiritual aspects of Astrology better than any other I ever ran across..those two really knew their business. IMHO...of course [I've been using it as my #1 since 1984]

[Rebel Uranian]

Whoever thinks I should read more about hippies (not only the poster of the link):

"hippie subculture was originally a youth movement that arose in the United States during the mid-1960s and spread to other countries around the world. The etymology of the term 'hippie' is from hipster, and was initially used to describe beatniks who had moved into San Francisco's Haight-Ashbury district. Both the words "hip" and "hep" came from African American culture and denote "awareness".[1] The early hippies inherited the countercultural values of the Beat Generation, created their own communities, listened to psychedelic rock, embraced the sexual revolution, and used drugs such as cannabis, LSD and magic mushrooms to explore altered states of consciousness."

How does that counteract what I said?

Also, I'm sorry if I sounded prejudiced. I posted this thread because I'm interested in countercultures, in this case the hippie counterculture, not because I'm prejudiced. I'm not saying anyone who is a nonconformist or uses drugs is a hippie, but if you know any hippies who are both conformists and don't use drugs, please tell me.

I think this one guy I know who was an indie artist dude (not a hippie) and wrote experimental music and designed video games and movies and cartoons in his free time probably had the Neptune-Uranus conjunction aspecting his Sun, but I don't know his exact birthyear, much less the date. Speculations are generally useless though :/

[Lin]

I read something in one of the posts that seemed to imply that the "hippie" is defined in much the same way as the "Bohemian" and the "Beatnik" in previous decades.

I just want to point out there there are vast differences among them.

The Bohemians were primarily interested in Art and Literature and the "new" science of "psychiatry."
The Beatniks were primarily interested in Music (Jazz) and freeform poetry and then art and literature.

These 2 groups liked to congregate,but they were very individualistic.

The "hippie" was primarily interested in "experience", freedom from personal authority figures, drugs - esp. consciousness altering ones.....being "together" in a large group was very important....and music.

For hippies, music was the "soundtrack" not the subject.

But the one thing they all had in common was reefer.
LOL
LIN

[piercethevale]

Originally Posted by Lin

I read something in one of the posts that seemed to imply that the "hippie" is defined in much the same way as the "Bohemian" and the "Beatnik" in previous decades.

I just want to point out there there are vast differences among them.

The Bohemians were primarily interested in Art and Literature and the "new" science of "psychiatry."
The Beatniks were primarily interested in Music (Jazz) and freeform poetry and then art and literature.

These 2 groups liked to congregate,but they were very individualistic.

The "hippie" was primarily interested in "experience", freedom from personal authority figures, drugs - esp. consciousness altering ones.....being "together" in a large group was very important....and music.

For hippies, music was the "soundtrack" not the subject.

But the one thing they all had in common was reefer.
LOL
LIN

. I didn't partake of the herb at first...as I was something of a jock [I was on the Varsity Tennis team in H.S. and college from 1967 to 1975...worked out with weights 30 to 40 hrs. a week from 1971 to 1984...rode bicycle 50 to 150 miles every weekend] I was concerned about my lungs. I did really enjoy my room mates in college having folks over. Back then the reefer came out and everyone got in a circle...sitting on the floor. some put some music on another would use the album cover to clean the weed on and drag the the weed to the lip of the cover as it was titled so as to let the seeds roll out...then hand roll some doobies and they would be passed around the circle. It was a ritual...truly.
I loved the vibe, everyone getting together in a circle like it used to be, great music playing on vinyl [such a more mellow sound to the music] and the smell of the grass burning. Then one day someone made some brownies...and I thought...well, it's not smoking it...so why not?

Shawn Phillips said it best [IMHO] "...and the etiquette of Grass will have to last and we'll save it for the very last prize, and the utilization will make a unified nation...we may see it with our very own eyes...our very own eyes..."

I'm seeing it now in Calif. [ps. I like to use Shawn's quote and change 'utilization' to legalization..] Shawn Phillips has been described as: A Hippie's Hippie, Diogenes with a guitar...etc.

The penultimate Hippie song: Shawn Phillips - "Screamer For Phlyses"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsDfhbAyh5k

[Lin]

" It was a ritual...truly." lol....very true.
But ultimately, the experience is subjective.
Heard the song....very "herb" friendly.
I can't believe I am not familiar with his music. Perhaps he didn't tour in the northeast.....
I just don't know why i don't know his music.
It's a puzzler....I liked that song a lot and will follow up....
L

[piercethevale]

Originally Posted by Lin

" It was a ritual...truly." lol....very true.
But ultimately, the experience is subjective.
Heard the song....very "herb" friendly.
I can't believe I am not familiar with his music. Perhaps he didn't tour in the northeast.....
I just don't know why i don't know his music.
It's a puzzler....I liked that song a lot and will follow up....
L

I recommend everything you can find of his...
btw...you're not from Huntington are you?


Hippie Johnny:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_exvKnrK6g

[Lin]

No, south shore.
LIN

[piercethevale]

Originally Posted by Lin

No, south shore.
LIN

Just asking..as I was once close to one of the Daly gals [late 70s early 80s] and have wondered what became of her.

[piercethevale]

btw...the remark it was more the soundtrack...that's true...but here on the West Coast around the Bay Area [I was in L.A. until I graduated H.S. in 71] the music was the 'subject' quite often...esp. with the 'Deadheads'...my friend Ben Baity...[born in 56..not one of the Neptune Libra / Uranus Cancer group I don't think ..as I recall {There was a brief window again due to retrograde action}] He has been to more concerts than anyone alive...I'm pretty sure...at least 500 Greatful Dead concerts...probably more....and literally thousands of concerts, period in his life as he made a living as a photographer and sound recorder ...
For some it was more the 'Subject'...but it may apply to those that came a little later...the Uranus in Leo crowd...Neptune in Scorpio...both which had to contribute greatly to the whole 'Free Love' thing...

[Aaronmcc11]

Originally Posted by chispas

I initially objected to this post because of the op’s assumptions, which I find prejudicial and judgmental - simply because he did not take the time to research or define the word “hippie.”

I agree that Hippie is a loaded word.. it's ill defined and less understood (especially by younger generations). Even the Wiki definition is perhaps lacking.

But irregardless, with the knowledge that the Hippie label encompasses a broad meaning (as Piercethevale pointed out there's the Uranus in Cancer, Pluto in Libra roots, then Uranus in Leo and so on), I don't see any reason why astrology wouldn't be able to lend tremendous insight into the energies at play when it comes to "Hippies".

Moving on..

I am only 27 so obviously I cannot claim anything close to the title of Hippie but growing up I was always captivated by the culture and even though I'm by no means a Modern Hippie either, I like to think that I soaked up a good part of the ideals generated during those times.

My mom was born in 65'.. so she was a little late to be born a Hippie per say, but growing up I always envisioned her as having that vibe.. and until I was old enough to know better, I actually thought she was a Hippie and referred to her as such. She was born during the Uranus-Pluto conjunction in Virgo (which Steve mentioned in an earlier post).. in fact it's in a less than 2 minute orb, separating, in the 11th house, sextile Neptune in Scorpio, and opposite Saturn in Pisces.

So.. she was definitely a wild child growing up in the 70's and early 80's. When she got pregnant with me and after my dad split to Florida, she got clean. She's been clean even since too. But what this means is that I grew up going to Narcotics Anonymous meeting with her. I grew up around people who had little faith to go on and had lost everything to their addictions. My mom was sort of the facilitator and one of the main energizing factors at these meetings. She helped people to try to reassemble their lives through the 12 steps, but more-so, through a faith in something higher and more powerful to their addictions.

So.. I've never used drugs.. they are bad..
No, I'm totally kidding. To throw a wrench of irony into the story.. I started smoking weed when I was 15. By the time I was 25 I'd done almost everything.. but I never liked pharmaceuticals, cocaine, any uppers, etc. I was a tripper. I always have had, and still do have, a tremendous reverence for the (sometimes) mystical experiences that hallucinogens induce. There's no doubt in my mind that the use of drugs has opened my eyes to areas of existence I wouldn't have had an inkling of without. At the same time, there's no doubt in my mind that I went overboard and wasted a lot of energy just trying to get high with lots of negative repercussions in my life. I am to the point where I'm pretty much clean but believe in the ritual use of substances when the set and setting are right and I am consciously geared for the experience.

In my chart it's not hard to chalk it up to a few factors. A Sun-Moon opposition would set the stage for an urge towards 'Illumination' of the subconscious. Mercury and Venus square Uranus definitely factor in too. Perhaps Saturn and Mars in Scorpio in the 4th with Uranus in the 4th too.. points to growing up in the environment which I did. Uranus and Neptune in Sagittarius.. I'd say a lot of people in this generation have an urge to experience something larger than life itself and I know A LOT of people my age who are very into the hippie lifestyle, the big music festivals, and pretty much all of my friends of this era are very idealistic and spiritual and drugs factor in a big way (positively and negatively).
In my chart I also have Pluto at 29 Libra conjunct the IC (3rd house) and Neptune at 28 Sag conjunct Jupiter at 3 Cap (in the 5th house). I would venture to say that quite a few people born under the Pluto-Neptune sextile at this time are probably geared in similar fashion as myself and my group of friends.


Another thing I wanted to mention, is that I think we can all see the horrible repercussion that unguided, unhindered, and uninformed drug use has had on younger generations of people. Uranus and Pluto's transits through Scorpio created massive amounts of self-destructive individuals. A lot of the people around me have suffered immensely and it's really sad to see people that I used to regard as friends now nothing more than junkies or just addicts, always chasing the next high, with no purpose to their actions except to keep on doing that. I wish that I could've imparted some kind of spiritual wisdom on these people, like my mom did in her meetings, but I feel like I had to just get away from it all in order to not be consumed myself. With that being said, I am grateful that in my life I have been able to keep a sense of who I am and what is truly important.. and at the same be able to see the potentials that are available with a guided informed and spiritually centered use of substances.

Sorry if anyone thinks that my life story is off topic from the UR's original post.. I feel that it is not, but I do apologize for the short novel. :P

Peace, Love, and Unity
Aaron

[piercethevale]

Wow..Aaron...your mom was born in 1965?...now THAT makes me feel old...[I was 12 that year and starting junior high]...btw ...it was Neptune in Libra...not Pluto...that was the big contributor...Pluto in Libra marked a time, Oct 71 to Aug. 84 that was a renewal of consciousness as to justice, human relations, social expression and repressions and psychology...but those that were born with that aspect weren't a social influence till the late 1980s...[are you one of those?...27 would put you at the tail end of that generation] ...Pluto in Scorpio is when all the deadly sexual diseases started going around...first it was Herpes that showed up...and everyone was freaked out like that was the end of the world if you caught it...little did anyone know that AIDS was about to come along...and new resistant strains of old favorites like syph. and the others] as Pluto travels through the sign Scorpio quicker than any other my brother has oft reminded me that this is the time period the Bible mentions as "Unless these times were short no flesh would be spared..."
Neptune in Scorpio 1955/57 - 1970 is described by Sakoian and Acker [The Astrologers Handbook" copyright 1973] as "...a period of exploitation of man's natural desires. A few people have experienced spiritual regeneration and initiated a search into lifes' inner mysteries, but many are marked by the exploitation of sex for commercial purposes. Scorpio is the sex sign, and Neptune rules drugs. Loose sexual morality at this time has led to widespread venereal disease, and the use of drugs as a psychological escape has spread."
...well, little did they know what Pluto in Scorpio was about to bring as I stated above.....
They also predicted that many "born with Neptune in Scorpio would have clairvoyant abilities...and will be forced to acknowledge the need for spiritual regeneration when Uranus and Pluto conjunct their natal Neptune position."

[Pallas-trine-Mars]

The stereotypical hippie: Pot-smoking (or some other drug as Rebel Uranian points out), idealistic, sensitive, can't be argued with, a fan of some kind of new age fad, associated with "trippy' patterns like tie-dye, something else Piscean-seeming to them, like the way they talk, or their long, natural, almost watery hair.

NEPTUNE
though it could perhaps be a newer planet, too, like maybe Quaoar, though I don't have a lot of research to back this up, or just the sign Pisces itself. I'm not too sure of the Neptune-Pisces connection, seeing as Neptune seems so evil to me (I'll explain later or you can read some of what I wrote on the Is Neptune a Malefic? thread which I mainly still stand by, although conversely it might still be true for negative reasons) or the Uranus-Aquarius connection for other reasons. I was thinking of posting a thread asking if we really need to use planetary bodies just because they're big or look for the best fit, whatever that may mean to a person, though I know what it means for me.

I wouldn't describe hippies as "Uranian". I see someone born under Uranus's control as loud, erratic.. Think Russell Brand who seems very Uranian. Everytime I see the Sun opposite Uranus aspect it seems to be the same, Kanye West, a Cancer-Capricorn polarity I know, though these are all males. Ellen DeGeneres isn't as angry as them, but is erratic and she also has this aspect). And when it comes to politics, well, a Uranian is NOT a pacifist, but an anarchist. They don't chant kumbaya (sp?) preaching love, they shout "down with the bourgeoisie!" and riot. Or at least be very opinionated like Lady Gaga who apparently has Uranus in first and a bunch of Uranus and Neptune aspects. Hippies traditionally also don't have the Uranian love of technology.

@SteveGus - I think we have enough information of Uranus and Pluto to understand them.