patisserie business

[DiDi]

Question for chart: will my daughter and I going into business together be sucessfull?

This has been a long time thought.
Ive got a background in business, sales, Promotions and cake decorating.
my daughter will finnish her patisserie dipolma june next year.

We are thinking of selling to cafes, restauants and hotels, doing this from home so the overheads are minimal.
There is a course set up that the goverment pays for to set up out of work people like myself with a good business plan, and they pay for a year so you can put your profits back into your own company.

The chart seems promising

Im saturn placed in the 10th my income earnt is also saturn
10th is ruled by venus and so Is my daughter.

saturn doesnt do anthing with venus the moons next move is a square to saturn before going to to a trine with venus. cant start this till july next year anyway.

to me the chart shows what events are in my background information

with the moon in the 12th may show my scaredness of it yet im excited by actually making plans to go ahead with something ive been thinking of for over 10 years now.
I dont have work and im finding it hard anyway, so im not doing myself harm and if it doesnt work out my daughter wants to travel with her career at some stage......... I feel like im only a failure if I dont try this!

what does everyone else think? happy like allways to see peoples thoughts

[dr. farr]

(Following is not in accordance with standard horary practice and uses whole sign house format)

A) experimental Walis Magic 8 Ball divination:
-significator = place of the Part of Successful Issue (ascendant+jupiter-sun) = 0 Libra = Venus = a "yes" answer to this question

B) Simple Lunar Divination
-ascending sign (Aquarius) is a straight sign: -1
-Moon flows from North Node: -1
-Moon's next (traditional planet) conjunction will be with Jupiter: +2
-Moon's next house (the first house) is angular: +1
-Moon's next sign (Aquarius) is a straight sign: -1
-Moon flows toward the Part of Fortune: +1
Net = +1, which indicates a mildly favorable outlook for this question

c) Primary Ankara horary:
-"we" (querent and daughter as a unit) = 1st house = Aquarius = Saturn
-Saturn posited in its exaltation (+), in the cadent 9th house (-), in a Bright Degree of Libra (+) = net + testimony
-Part of Successful Issue falls @ 0 Libra, in a pitted degree (-), but sign conjunct with significator Saturn (+), = net neutral

Results:
Positive = +1 testimony
Neutral = 1 testimony
Net = +1 testimony

...which = a mildly favorable indication for success, according to Primary Ankara; the pitted degree occupied by the Part of Successful Issue, indicates a possible delay in realizing the good fortune otherwise indicated in this delineation.

[DiDi]

thanks dr.farr
and wow i got all 3 types of readings from you feeling very blessed

yep my mistake my ruler is in the 9th not the 10th
To do this i need to do some study for a few months may be related to the 9th not sure?

the pitted degree occupied by the Part of Successful Issue, indicates a possible delay in realizing the good fortune otherwise indicated in this delineation.

yes the plan is that it will take till this time next year for it to be up and running and perhaps it might not start out as profitable but in time will be as any sucessfull business venture.
im not looking to make millions just want a decent wage with no idiot bosses that ive had to endure in the past.

sounds good dr.farr thanks again

[tikana]

Didi

Dont every try!

Saturn via combusta
Moon in 12th
Venus your daughter is in 9th very weak and combusted
Venus / moon trine yeah dandy but look at the weakness of moon and venus

mars ruler of 11th house money made profit is WEAK!
what business?

you DO NOT want saturn to be near MC at all .. it is sitting in 9th nowhere close to 10th

saturn is malefic ---- no way!

T

Originally Posted by DiDi

Question for chart: will my daughter and I going into business together be sucessfull?

This has been a long time thought.
Ive got a background in business, sales, Promotions and cake decorating.
my daughter will finnish her patisserie dipolma june next year.

We are thinking of selling to cafes, restauants and hotels, doing this from home so the overheads are minimal.
There is a course set up that the goverment pays for to set up out of work people like myself with a good business plan, and they pay for a year so you can put your profits back into your own company.

The chart seems promising

Im saturn placed in the 10th my income earnt is also saturn
10th is ruled by venus and so Is my daughter.

saturn doesnt do anthing with venus the moons next move is a square to saturn before going to to a trine with venus. cant start this till july next year anyway.

to me the chart shows what events are in my background information

with the moon in the 12th may show my scaredness of it yet im excited by actually making plans to go ahead with something ive been thinking of for over 10 years now.
I dont have work and im finding it hard anyway, so im not doing myself harm and if it doesnt work out my daughter wants to travel with her career at some stage......... I feel like im only a failure if I dont try this!

what does everyone else think? happy like allways to see peoples thoughts

[DiDi]

thanks tik

Is there any chance this chart is reading what it would be like if done now?
I dont plan on this till things have changed
need to do small business course and find the correct place to do it in so things have to change first but i thought id start the ball rolling with a course in how to manage a small business first.

things would be so much simpler if there were not all the rules that the goverment have in place to stop you from earning your own income.
what ever happened to the good old days
I make a cake and someone buys it........ end of story pffff

jusst noticed the hr ruler is the moon so might not be readable anyway in traditional horary method

[tikana]

well you got massive problems
1. 3 deg asce - brand new business
2 saturn in mid sign - no changes for a long time
3. your daughter venus again mid sign
4. moon - midsign
i dont see anything remotely close to this being a good idea
seriously look at the condition of the planets
1. via combusta + cadent = saturn
2. combusted + cadent = venus (your daughter and the business)
3. detriment + cadent = moon (coruler)
this is from lilly .. when moon separates from good planet, you are leaving something good
if it is applying to neutral / negative, you are heading for disaster.. literaly


hour agreement means the question was not asked out of urgency. but nothing stops it from being unreadable

T

[DiDi]

I see ok thanks again

1. via combusta + cadent = saturn
2 saturn in mid sign - no changes for a long time

to me saturn via combusta is going to be there for over 2 years.........no one would be able to do anything at any time for any reason while this is happening and thats balony! so im guessing here you mean because its cadent that its not a good idea?
Thats new never ever heard of that one before on here or anywhere, if your saying cause its mid sign its not going to happen for a while, Ive stated its not going to happen for a year, im just doing the ground work right now.

1. 3 deg asce - brand new business

that degrees would be normal for a new business, 3-27 degrees asc is perfectly normal

hour agreement means the question was not asked out of urgency. but nothing stops it from being unreadable

ive asked enough questions on the hr agreement & understood it to mean for some reason the chart is not readable.

[DiDi]

If anything here
I see my daughters earned income ruler moons next move is a square to her ruler venus.
not good

does anyone else here see anything same or different?

[dr. farr]

Without being critical of anyone, and meaning no disrespect, I must state that I see much more hopefulness in this chart:

-with the Firmicus Maternus (and Ankara) combust orbs (varying for each planet), Venus-which disposits Saturn and also the Lot of Successful Issue (LOSI)-has just passed out of Combustion, which in doing so has gotten an accidental dignity (many believe a planet gets a boost of power in the first 2-3 degrees when out of combustion)

-yes, the Venus situation as dispositor of Saturn and the LOSI is highly significant; Venus is in its Fall, it is in a pitted degree, and is also in the 8th house (although this is also a house of other people's money, which might indicate a possibility for an investment or loan to help the new business get going)...so Venus looks debilitated, and it is, but then what about other factors? Venus is also just emerging from combustion (+), it is in its own (Egyptian) term (+), it is in a Bright Degree of Virgo (+) and it is occidental (+) and it is in its triplicity (+); I submit that these dignities (5 of them) mitigate the 3 debilities (Fall, pitted degree, 8th house) to a significant degree; and then Venus is direct in motion and moving toward its own domicile (Libra) as its next sign, and moving toward conjunction with the LOSI (@ 0 Libra) and eventual conjuction with the Saturn significator; co-significator Moon is also in applying trine apsect to Venus. I simply cannot consider the over-all Venus condition all that bad off.

-I follow the concept of Saturn and Mars being immune from Via Combusta, since in fact their influence actually largely creates the Fiery Road (Anthony Louis, among contemporary horarists, has a similar point of view) Indeed, I follow Thabit ibn Qurra in the idea that Mars or Saturn in the Road are affected similar to being in exaltation; so Saturn Via Combusta, I suggest, simply adds to the Saturn exaltation in Libra.

-yes, Saturn (and the LOSI) are cadent; HOWEVER, the 9th house is (according to the ancients) the "least" cadent of the cadent houses, so this detriment is modified; with the planet being in its exaltation in the sign, I don't think its cadency will have much of a negative influence at all.

-Saturn is also in the Egyptian term of Jupiter, Jupiter being lord of the 2nd whole sign house of this chart, ruling money matters; notice also that LOSI is in the Egyptian term of Saturn, directly connecting the querent significator with the Lot of Successful issue.

-Moon: as co-significator, indeed the Moon is detrimented in Capricorn and is in the 12th whole sign house: so cadent and detrimented. But the 12th house might show the current situation of restrictions, such as the various rules and restrictions DiDi mentioned regarding government red tape. And, of course, the Moon is applying trine to the dispositor of Saturn and LOSI, Venus, which is a + testimony; the Moon flows toward Jupiter (lord of the 2nd house) and its next conjunction (among the traditional planets) will in fact be with this greater benefic (Moon seperates from a former conjunction with Saturn and its next planetary conjunction will be with Jupiter) Note too that while Moon flows toward Jupiter, Jupiter itself retrogrades back toward the Moon! I suggest this is a very positive indication of future developments regarding the monetary/profit considerations of this question. Also, the Moon is in the Egyptian term of Venus (more + Venus indications) and Moon is also in the Face of Jupiter (more connection with lord of the 2nd house of money) And the Moon is increasing in light (waxing), which is auspicious for gain. Note too that the Moon is disposited by the querent's exalted significator, Saturn.

Perhaps one might say, "Dr. Bonehead, you are looling at this chart through rose colored glasses!"...but I do not think so.
The indications never were for an easy or roaring success; indications are mildly favorable for success; certainly Saturn gives us the key: the development of this business will be delayed (probably by DiDi taking a business course first, as the 9th house might indicate), and for success it will take Saturn positive qualities of patience, determination, carefulness and persistence; there is no sudden or quick profits or easy success shown in this chart: but success will come if the positive Saturn qualities just mentioned are applied.

Best wishes!

[tikana]

Didi

I'd say this chart is quite right on target without having HR agreement.

cadent house is always considered to be accidental debility which pretty much tells you you it is not a good idea at all.

here is the shakedown on accidental/essential/debility and dignity
http://books.google.com/books?id=pza...page&q&f=false

you want aspets... they are not there.. so my call is find something else...this is not it

moon aspects saturn before aspecting venus which rules your 10th.. you must have direct connection wit venus.. and it is not there.. so my call is no way jose!

T

[DiDi]

thanks guys


This is a business as simple as making desserts for cafes, hotels, ect here
I dont intend to have any overheads except the stock or I will not do it.
I dont want to take that risk.

I have no doubt in my mind i cant do this under those circumstances.

Ive crunched the numbers and ive gotten some interested partys in purchasing my cakes.

Dr.farr yes I will be needing a small loan in which my son intends to give me... I actually didnt ask him he knows about our cooking and how many people rave over it and get us to make them cakes for all sorts of reasons now... only difference they dont pay for it.

I do need to wait for a year thou till i get proper training with small business red tape and so on.

I need a job, and i cant find one, so id like to do what i do best and thats bake, If i can do this without too much of a loss if it goes south then i will at least try.

but in relation to the chart,
I will ask again next year some time, but for now i will do the small business finance course as can only help me in administration experiance to get work.

dr.farr

and for success it will take Saturn positive qualities of patience, determination, carefulness and persistence; there is no sudden or quick profits or easy success shown in this chart: but success will come if the positive Saturn qualities just mentioned are applied

this "me being saturn" is exactly how iam approaching this.

We came up with the idea of a cake cup shop long time ago but i was worried about overheads and being opened every day as i want my family and myself to have some life out of work so i restructed the idea into wholsale cakes for cafes.