Starseeds, alternate dimensions, and our Binary Star System.

[Crystal Starseed]

Namaste, people.

I've been interested in astrology since I was about 3, and studied psychological astrology and other systems in seminars as a teenager, with the likes of Howard Sasportas and Liz Greene. I also used to be part of an astrology group but I wasn't quite comfortable with their belief systems as I tend to question everything! This lead me into exploring different systems and comparing them, but I still could not find what I was looking for, like why I did not conform to how my chart said I was supposed to be, yet there were certain planetary aspects which resonated so this has kept my interest for all these years.

Love to all. xxx

[Lazy Cat]

Welcome Crystal Starseed!

I hope you like it here, and find some people to share your ideas with.

[Crystal Starseed]

Thank you, Lazy Cat! Purrrrrrr!!!

[moonbeam2]

would u be able to explain a bit more about the 'starseed' thing?

[Crystal Starseed]

Sorry, I feel the need to say less and less these days!

[Ruka_5]

Originally Posted by Crystal Starseed

The whole starseed phenomena is pretty big at the moment, as so many more have incarnated here in the past few decades...

...Natal chart?

[Crystal Starseed]

Originally Posted by Ruka_5

...Natal chart?

Hi Ruka5. Thanks for your chart. You have some really interesting stelliums and conjunctions. I feel you have a really high IQ and great focus in your energies. Would you say you were a starseed, and what kind would you identify yourself with?
Here's mine - The conventional interpretations leave a lot to be desired on this site but the charts are free any time... x

[Ruka_5]

Originally Posted by Crystal Starseed

Hi Ruka5. Thanks for your chart. You have some really interesting stelliums and conjunctions. I feel you have a really high IQ and great focus in your energies. Would you say you were a starseed, and what kind would you identify yourself with?
Here's mine - The conventional interpretations leave a lot to be desired on this site but the charts are free any time... x

http://alabe.com/cgi-bin/chart/astro...&Submit=Submit

I wasn't asking for a chart reading.

You're not an Indigo. Indigos have Neptune and Uranus conjunct.

[Crystal Starseed]

Interesting opinion. So are you saying you believe you can't be an Indigo if you're not born during this particular conjunction, and if so, what has lead you to this belief - your own intuition or the beliefs/opinions of others on the subject?

[Culpeper]

Welcome to the AstrologyWeekly forum Crystal Starseed. I hope to read more about this in your continuing posts. I looked at your chart and you have Pluto conjunct Uranus and Sun conjunct Mercury both of which can indicate indigo children.

[Ruka_5]

Originally Posted by Crystal Starseed

Interesting opinion. So are you saying you believe you can't be an Indigo if you're not born during this particular conjunction, and if so, what has lead you to this belief - your own intuition or the beliefs/opinions of others on the subject?

Not an 'opinion' ; statement from the leading astrological researcher of Indigo Children.

http://www.maryenglish.com/indigo1.htm

http://www.mspink.com/articles/indigos.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LErr8XwANTg

Originally Posted by Culpeper

Welcome to the AstrologyWeekly forum Crystal Starseed. I hope to read more about this in your continuing posts. I looked at your chart and you have Pluto conjunct Uranus and Sun conjunct Mercury both of which can indicate indigo children.

Neptune and Uranus must be conjunct, not any random pair of outer planets. She's too old to be an Indigo. Heck, I just turned thirty and I'm way too old to be one, too. Most she can be is a possible lightworker or something but she's no Indigo or Crystal. Fullstop. And sun conjunct Mercury is an extremely common aspect, a sizable amount of the world's population has it. Pluto conjunct Uranus is also common to most people born in the 60s or mid-60s and again is decades before most Indigos started to appear.

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[astrologer50]

Ruka

I've just been to Youtube, haven't had time to listen/view all of it, but it really doesn't help or inspire confidence when he says a bundle chart (contained within 3houses or 120') is somehow now a bowl chart.

shame he doesn't know the difference.

I have Uranus square neptune (tight orbs) neptune opp moon/sun and have a fair amount of psyhic ability and am a 'lightworker' healer/teacher, born in late 50's. so my generation, with same hard aspects, with my own research are aligned to same energies..

[Ruka_5]

Originally Posted by astrologer50

Ruka

I've just been to Youtube, haven't had time to listen/view all of it, but it really doesn't help or inspire confidence when he says a bundle chart (contained within 3houses or 120') is somehow now a bowl chart.

shame he doesn't know the difference.

I have Uranus square neptune (tight orbs) neptune opp moon/sun and have a fair amount of psyhic ability and am a 'lightworker' healer/teacher, born in late 50's. so my generation, with same hard aspects, with my own research are aligned to same energies..

Of course some of the specifics of astrology are wrong in the YouTube video because a random yokel who doesn't know anything about astrology, pretty much ripped the bulk of Mary English's work, set it to music and uploaded it to YouTube. Yeah, he misunderstood and repeated some parts incorrectly but the bulk of the content in the video is accurate and a result of the research of someone who DOES know their astrology...because he posts Mary English's picture up on the screen for at least a minute straight, just a few minutes into the video.

The other written links I supplied also go further in-depth and pretty much echo the things said in the video, albeit without the astrological inaccuracies.

And you can try and compare yourself to an Indigo all you want but you really just proved what the links said. You were born without the correct aspect, decades too early to be an Indigo. Having the square doesn't count. Yeah, you may very well be a lightworker...but you're definitely way too old to be an Indigo and if anything having the two planet in question negatively aspecting each other shows that you have a fundamental difficulty with the two energies, a problem that an Indigo wouldn't have.

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[Crystal Starseed]

Originally Posted by Ruka_5

Of course some of the specifics of astrology are wrong in the YouTube video because a random yokel who doesn't know anything about astrology, pretty much ripped the bulk of Mary English's work, set it to music and uploaded it to YouTube. Yeah, he misunderstood and repeated some parts incorrectly but the bulk of the content in the video is accurate and a result of the research of someone who DOES know their astrology...because he posts Mary English's picture up on the screen for at least a minute straight, just a few minutes into the video.

The other written links I supplied also go further in-depth and pretty much echo the things said in the video, albeit without the astrological inaccuracies.

And you can try and compare yourself to an Indigo all you want but you really just proved what the links said. You were born without the correct aspect, decades too early to be an Indigo. Having the square doesn't count. Yeah, you may very well be a lightworker...but you're definitely way too old to be an Indigo and if anything having the two planet in question negatively aspecting each other shows that you have a fundamental difficulty with the two energies, a problem that an Indigo wouldn't have.

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Dear Ruka. It really, really, matters how you treat people - more than how clever you are, and whether or not you're right. We are ALL connected, even through our computer screens.

How ironic that one of the main messages that starseeds try to bring is to 'think' with our heart and outside of the proverbial box - because otherwise this is the result - arguments and one-upmanship. It's so horrible to watch people try to undermine each other just to preserve their own fragile self-assigned status.... You have your own chart there for all to see, yet you didn't like me commenting on it without your 'permission', which I apologise for despite this not being crystal clear. Well...maybe you should give yourself permission to really look at your own chart - no, in fact to see through your own chart to see your own beautiful potential and what you are really capable of - like living from the heart, not the ego and it's need to always be in control - and being kind to everyone, because you are a friendly loving being; you were not meant to allow your own insecurities to overshadow you - and others - in this way.

Listen to your own heart. Namaste.

[Rageypoo]

Originally Posted by Crystal Starseed

Dear Ruka. It really, really, matters how you treat people - more than how clever you are, and whether or not you're right. We are ALL connected, even through our computer screens.

How ironic that one of the main messages that starseeds try to bring is to 'think' with our heart and outside of the proverbial box - because otherwise this is the result - arguments and one-upmanship. It's so horrible to watch people try to undermine each other just to preserve their own fragile self-assigned status.... You have your own chart there for all to see, yet you didn't like me commenting on it without your 'permission', which I apologise for despite this not being crystal clear. Well...maybe you should give yourself permission to really look at your own chart - no, in fact to see through your own chart to see your own beautiful potential and what you are really capable of - like living from the heart, not the ego and it's need to always be in control - and being kind to everyone, because you are a friendly loving being; you were not meant to allow your own insecurities to overshadow you - and others - in this way.

Listen to your own heart. Namaste.

Oh, I'm gonna have to give my 2 cents here.

Isn't the whole point of being in this "earthly" experience as the egyptians called it, to have these emotions, to experience the ego? I wouldn't denounce any part of the human that makes him thrive or aspire, and the ego/super ego/subconcious/higher mind none of that is right or wrong.

I'm glad you want to be happy and helpful to your fellow mate, but don't you think that is your own personal ego pushing you twards that belief?

sure, be true to one another, but don't discard the gifts we have been given wile we are stuck in this plane of existence, if we didn't try to one-up anyone, how would we grow? nothing would happen!

but on the same coin, the one-up attitude...knock it off, amiright??

see, balance in every form, there is no true good or true evil, because you need both to prosper. Indigo child crystal blah blah who cares what you want to label yourself as! be free!! A brilliant philosopher once said "know thyself" and a label will not grant you that my friends, only exploration! enjoy yourself, one another, and come together to bring our collective conscious to greater heights, either through debate or agreement, either or works ^_^

[moonbeam2]

are there any other astrological data u would look for for a blue ray or a indigo. I was born late 70's so I'm not a indigo child but is there anything else in my chart to look for? I think i may be a blue ray....

[Rageypoo]

Originally Posted by moonbeam2

are there any other astrological data u would look for for a blue ray or a indigo. I was born late 70's so I'm not a indigo child but is there anything else in my chart to look for? I think i may be a blue ray....

/facepalm...

[moonbeam2]

I was just always taught to look for more than one indicator for something in a birth chart

[Rageypoo]

Originally Posted by moonbeam2

I was just always taught to look for more than one indicator for something in a birth chart

Why would you want to be an "indigo" child? do you want to have social awkwardness? do you want to stay indoors and stare at a computer all day and avoid social interaction because of your abilities? my friend has a brother who is one of these "indigo" children and wile he is AMAZING at computers and programming, he never leaves home, he's strange, and wile many would want his gifts, I would rather be able to enjoy going outside and having a real connection with my surroundings than be stuck in a one track mind with my gift.

Please, don't label yourself, just enjoy life, if you have a gift use it don't be consumed by it or idealize it. I feel I'm pretty good at astrology, I'd never let it consume me daily, there's more to life than waking up and doing this day in day out.

[moonbeam2]

I don't want to necessarily. It was just that I identified a lot with earlier comments about not fitting in socially anywhere, issues with authority and the way they value living beings. It also reminded me of a friend of my Dad's so wondered if i could look at her chart and see possible indications of it.

[Crystal Starseed]

Originally Posted by Culpeper

Welcome to the AstrologyWeekly forum Crystal Starseed. I hope to read more about this in your continuing posts. I looked at your chart and you have Pluto conjunct Uranus and Sun conjunct Mercury both of which can indicate indigo children.

Hello Culpepper.

Thanks for your response. It's great to have a view that differs from the bulk of the others which seems to reiterate the need for this neptune-uranus conjunction. But the problem with most of the published research is that it isn't very thorough, because the researchers seem to have just gone along with the view that only specific age groups or recent generations have this phenomena, when in fact it goes back much further, and these older people haven't been researched.
I think what you could also have picked up on, intuitively, are the connections these planets make through association and house in my chart - the mercury-gemini emphasis because of my ruler, jupiter in gemini, and my chart ruler the sun conjunct mercury, which makes the 3rd house placements more prominent. This conjunction most definitely defines me and my approach to life, and everyone who knows me would probably agree. Perhaps other, more formulaic astrologers wouldn't see this or understand where you're coming from, that there is sometimes a reason why some things are said, even if they might not appear to be 'correct' on the surface or to the logical mind...Thanks for noticing something different - it's really appreciated! Namaste!

[astrologer50]

crystal, you sound a lovely spiritual person and don't let the one or two spoil your experiences on AW. You are very welcome here...namaste

[Crystal Starseed]

Originally Posted by astrologer50

Ruka

I've just been to Youtube, haven't had time to listen/view all of it, but it really doesn't help or inspire confidence when he says a bundle chart (contained within 3houses or 120') is somehow now a bowl chart.

shame he doesn't know the difference.

I have Uranus square neptune (tight orbs) neptune opp moon/sun and have a fair amount of psyhic ability and am a 'lightworker' healer/teacher, born in late 50's. so my generation, with same hard aspects, with my own research are aligned to same energies..

Hi astrologer50,

The hardline astrological fundamentalism on this thread is starting to bug me something rotten, lol! Yes, please - let's start thinking outside the box - well done for having a nice square neptune/uranus aspect instead of the 'proper approved' conjunction ( I've only got the usual sextile, lol) - let's shake it up! We are ALL unique and have something different to offer! We create the reality, not the dictates of a few academic researchers. Those hard and fast rules are about to die hard and fast, because they arise from and endorse skewed research, imo. I'm grateful for your input. Namaste!

[Ruka_5]

Originally Posted by Crystal Starseed

Hello Culpepper.

Thanks for your response. It's great to have a view that differs from the bulk of the others which seems to reiterate the need for this neptune-uranus conjunction. But the problem with most of the published research is that it isn't very thorough, because the researchers seem to have just gone along with the view that only specific age groups or recent generations have this phenomena, when in fact it goes back much further, and these older people haven't been researched.
I think what you could also have picked up on, intuitively, are the connections these planets make through association and house in my chart - the mercury-gemini emphasis because of my ruler, jupiter in gemini, and my chart ruler the sun conjunct mercury, which makes the 3rd house placements more prominent. This conjunction most definitely defines me and my approach to life, and everyone who knows me would probably agree. Perhaps other, more formulaic astrologers wouldn't see this or understand where you're coming from, that there is sometimes a reason why some things are said, even if they might not appear to be 'correct' on the surface or to the logical mind...Thanks for noticing something different - it's really appreciated! Namaste!

You don't even fit the personality traits for Indigos. You don't even fit the astrological indicators either.

...astrology in general is just a series of formulas. Moon = mother, emotions, subconscious. Mars = aggression, sexual attraction. Mercury = intellectual processes, communication; trines = harmonious blending of two energies; squares = inharmonious, so on and so forth. Then people just take all that and combine it in various ways to get a reading. It's interesting the way that you buy the formulaic basis of astrology in general enough to join a forum about it and read a few starter books on the subject but want to conveniently discard the specific astrological formulas for something you want to believe you are (and are NOT).

No matter how many times you go into your Sun-Mercury conjunction and whatever else you have going on in your chart, at the end of the day the actual indicators for Indigo children you do not possess. Period. There's plenty of people with busy third houses or lots of Gemini who also aren't Indigos.

You are not an Indigo. Period.

And, actually - taking another quick glance at your chart, you also don't appear to have any planets located by any of the major fixed stars, either; so you're probably not even a starseed, either.

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[Crystal Starseed]

Originally Posted by Rageypoo

Oh, I'm gonna have to give my 2 cents here.

Isn't the whole point of being in this "earthly" experience as the egyptians called it, to have these emotions, to experience the ego? I wouldn't denounce any part of the human that makes him thrive or aspire, and the ego/super ego/subconcious/higher mind none of that is right or wrong.

I'm glad you want to be happy and helpful to your fellow mate, but don't you think that is your own personal ego pushing you twards that belief?

sure, be true to one another, but don't discard the gifts we have been given wile we are stuck in this plane of existence, if we didn't try to one-up anyone, how would we grow? nothing would happen!

but on the same coin, the one-up attitude...knock it off, amiright??

see, balance in every form, there is no true good or true evil, because you need both to prosper. Indigo child crystal blah blah who cares what you want to label yourself as! be free!! A brilliant philosopher once said "know thyself" and a label will not grant you that my friends, only exploration! enjoy yourself, one another, and come together to bring our collective conscious to greater heights, either through debate or agreement, either or works ^_^

Thanks for your comments, Rageypoo. I appreciate the irony.

The fact that you took umbridge at my post is most curious and may say more about you than it does about me - so examine your own motivations, my friend, and you take your own advice and 'be free'.

But you misjudge me and presume too much about me. I have no malice, and I have not played any one-upmanship game. But sometimes I like to address the elephant in the room, especially if it's making a stink and mess on the carpet and I have to breathe it in. Someone has to clean it up...And I'm not talking about moderating, here, either, just responding to a post.

Labels are labels, yes. People are people... yes...Thanks for the observation , perhaps some of us hadn't noticed that, lol!

Seriously, we know; we're just exploring. That's what this thread is all about. It should have been a lot more fun but, well... Egos, one-upmanship, you know...What can I say?

Ego...We speak the same words but perhaps a different language? My version, in this context, is a kind of fear-based awareness that locks us into 3D, that refuses to acknowledge a greater spiritual reality. It's not so clever, really, as the dimensions are merging, and eventually there will be no 3D here.
One-upmanship is an ego game of malice, no less, with lots of baggage behind it, that probably stems from childhood; not one which could ever make us grow beyond ego/fear, but one that locks us into the very fabric of it - and not in a fun way, either, because it tends to remain unchallenged, like when we get hit in the face unexpectedly and are too shocked to respond coherently. Instead it creates conflict. If you believe conflict is the only way to grow, then you are entitled to that belief, but I don't share it, but if you were to say contrast, then that is what this 3D game format has been all about. But I am tired of watching the boxing match all the time. That meme is on its way out, anyway, and has no place in our future.

Ancient Egyptians..Sirians, Annunaki...Yes..This is what I know. Or believe I know..Some were the ruling elite that helped form the royal bloodlines and engineered the ego/3D-bound slave race that the majorty of us are to this day; some were spiritual and magickal adepts that tried to free us in their own way; others talked a lot of **** like everyone else, and we believed them and worshipped them like gods. Then throughout history, stareeds/revolutionaries/mystics visited occasionally, kicked up a fuss for a while, suggested this might all be an illusion, that it was all a kind of sick game, and then after usually murdering them or they managed to die first, we worshipped their effigies and remains. Now look where it has got us. Still ego-bound slaves believing we are free, yet through mindless propaganda, extolling the virtues of mindless slavery and the triumphs of the ego, such as war and defending yourself to the death against an idea on internet forums. Kind of an oxymoron, don't you think?


Take it easy. Namaste.