A simple question about synastry aspects

[MJ82]

I have a question with regard to synastry: I've read that compatibility between
Two people can be helped by sun-sun compatibility, and sun-moon compatibility.

My question is: if two people have signs (let's say one in sun, the other person in moon) that are compatible, will it always show up and form a synastry aspect? And if it doesn't, why, and does the cross-compatibility between sun and moon still have much significance for their relationship?

Still learning about all this so any clarification would be appreciated! Thanks.

[Claire19]

Originally Posted by MJ82

I have a question with regard to synastry: I've read that compatibility between
Two people can be helped by sun-sun compatibility, and sun-moon compatibility.

My question is: if two people have signs (let's say one in sun, the other person in moon) that are compatible, will it always show up and form a synastry aspect? And if it doesn't, why, and does the cross-compatibility between sun and moon still have much significance for their relationship?

Still learning about all this so any clarification would be appreciated! Thanks.

Sun Moon connections as well as Sun Sun connections are very strong for relationship but they have to be within a smaller orb with synastry.
They give a sense of familiarity and similar way of expression but many other connections need to be in place for a relationship to endure. Saturn and the nodes for instance....

Synastry can be very contradictory and confusing and ultimately the composite chart is the real indicator of the dynamics between the people and especially as others perceive it.....Sometimes it is very different.....and enlightening...

[MJ82]

Hi Claire 19, thank you for your reply.

You said: "but they have to be within a smaller orb with synastry."

I asked my original question because someone that I'm interested in (and who is interested in me) has their moon in a water sign, my sun is in a water sign, but in our synastry report there is not even a listed sun-moon aspect at all, which I thought was odd.

How are aspects formed? I mean is it possible to have compatible sun-moon but no aspect present in synastry, or would that be a error in the report? That's what I didn't understand...

We do have a number of strong indicators of compatibility, which include NN: my Venus trine this person's North Node and my North Node trine their Saturn, but it was the absence of sun-moon aspect I was puzzled about.

Thanks for your reply

[astrologer50]

Originally Posted by MJ82

Hi Claire 19, thank you for your reply.

You said: "but they have to be within a smaller orb with synastry."[ I use max of 3' for synastry]

I asked my original question because someone that I'm interested in (and who is interested in me) has their moon in a water sign, my sun is in a water sign, but in our synastry report there is not even a listed sun-moon aspect at all, which I thought was odd.

How are aspects formed? [for composite each planet degree is calcualted into a midpoints of each planet and angle] I mean is it possible to have compatible sun-moon but no aspect present in synastry, or would that be a error in the report? That's what I didn't understand...

We do have a number of strong indicators of compatibility, which include NN: my Venus trine this person's North Node and my North Node trine their Saturn, but it was the absence of sun-moon aspect I was puzzled about.

Thanks for your reply

When looking at a woman’s chart the type of man she would look for is her sun sign and mars traits, plus 7th house planets and house cusp ruler and where that ruler was deposited.
When looking at a mans chart for the type of woman he would look for is his venus and moon sign and then 7th house planets and house cusp ruler and where that ruler was deposited.

Although synastry is a valuable tool with astrology it cannot 'make things happen' even if you have the best synastry in the world unfortunately.

In synastry I use tight orbs and view aspects between one person's outer planets to the other person's inner planets as being "karmic connections"......usually with the outer planet person doing the teaching and the inner planet person doing the learning.

If you want to research more into synastry try here
http://cafeastrology.com/astrology_of_relationships.html
http://www.cafeastrology.com/synastry/interchartaspects.html
http://www.cafeastrology.com/synastry_house_overlays.html
http://www.astrology-numerology.com/synastry.html
http://www.astrology-numerology.com/synastry-houses.html
http://www.astrology-numerology.com/synastryaspects.html
http://www.cosmitec-astrological-compatibility-advice.com/astrology-marriage.html
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17513
http://www.astrotheme.com/synastry_advice.php
http://www.astrology-x-files.com/synastry/ascendant.html
http://astrologyfiles.com/free-horoscope-matching/
http://www.skyviewzone.com/lovematch/sunsynastryhouse.htm

relationship sticky
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28945
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=254409&postcount=9

Unfortunately, there is no set formula or signature for marriage or childbirth, although others may disagree, apparently horary and vedic seem confident in this area. There are indicators and potential as there would be with natal, solar return chart but guarantees -- (post 2 & 3 below)
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=207744#post207744

Your chart is a blueprint of your personality, facets and penchants and the whole chart is 'potential' for development. There is nothing guaranteed or fatalistic in charts, I do believe we still do have free will. I also believe we chose our parents and childhood circumstances best suited to learning those Lessons in the best way we can.

I think it's worth bearing in mind that the natal chart, like solar returns is all about 'potential' but as we all know we don't always fulfil that potential do we.

It's like someone saying you can predict death, but with modern medicine and sciences the way they are and the potential to 'die' three times in a life, doesn't mean to say you will does it

I think lots of people have unrealistic expectations about what astrology can and can't do. astrology is an 'art, science and craft' and not clairvoyance either. If there were a formula or signature, don't you think we would ALL be using it?

Predicting marriage and/or having children can sometimes be done, but it is not easy, time consuming and intricate. There are lots of things to take into consideration like, secondary progressions, what inter-aspects one chart makes to another, Solar arcs, Solar returns, Transits etc
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3192
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3179
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14255

Symbolic Directions in Modern Astrology – book by

By Charles E. Carter
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=uDv0Xj9YjngC&printsec=frontcover&dq=astro logy+Charles+Carter&hl=en&ei=w5HeS7G6DYb2-Aa71Oj_Bg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&v ed=0CD8Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

[MJ82]

Hey Astrologer50,

Thanks for the reply.

I guess what I'm really asking is:

Even in the absence of an actua Sun-Moon aspect in synastry, is it still significant when one person's Sun is very compatible with another's Moon?

i.e. Person A's sun in Cancer and Person B's moon in Pisces?

Or is this only really significant when they form an aspect to each other?

Thanks.

[astrologer50]

it is far greater if they make an aspect mathamatically, but still ok as it's water to water...

You could have the best synastry in the world, but unless you have good communications, are honest with each other about your needs, wishes and desires and 'both' of you want the same things...........then nothing will happen. It cannot make anyone change, or love you more. Some challenging squares, oppositions in synastry can be healthy, and may require one or both of you to grow in some way. Astrological natal charts cannot explain environmental factors, financial handicaps/ restraints and what position you hold in society, neither can it tell you if you are of ‘Royalty’ or beggar.

I am of the belief that people come in and out of our lives for a reason, either we have to teach them something or we have to learn something from them. There is Always an exchange, good or bad.

Good luck with your journey

[bittermoon]

I have noticed that whenever I meet someone (this includes potential friends and colleagues) and they have strong Cancer in their chart, I feel an almost instant familiarity with them. Their Sun/Moon does not even need to aspect my Cancer Sun.

I agree that challenging aspects are necessary for growth, but in a relationship I would not want to see my Sun squaring somebody else's Moon. Oppositions are apparently slightly easier to deal with, but I was in a relationship with someone with a Cappie Moon and it all felt very odd. Or perhaps that was his Aries Sun rubbing mine the wrong way.

[MJ82]

Thanks Astrologer50 and Bittermoon.

Very interesting feedback. I too feel that I pick up on the water elements in other people, and also air, my chart is a little overloaded with it...

In exploring the compatibility between me and this other person, I was surprised that my sun and their moon didn't form an aspect, as they're both in water signs. But then I'm still learning about astrology..!

[bittermoon]

I am also all water and air. I pick up on somebody else's water, but not as much on somebody else's air. When I 'smell' the water in somebody else, I have also noticed a difference between Scorpio and Cancer. Scorpio intrigues me, whereas Cancer just feels very relaxed, very much 'at home', so to speak. Kind of strange, because I feel I'm actually much more Scorpio than Cancer, yet I often feel a strong connection with other Cancers.

This makes me wonder now if someone with prominent Virgo also feels this 'familiarity' with other Virgos. Or Aquas with Aquas etc.

[MJ82]

Yes I definitely pick up more on water, no doubt about that.

But I'm often able to spot an Aquarius! Maybe that's because they're very distinctive outwardly (often) or because of the Aquarius in my chart (Aqua rising, Aqua 1st house Mercury and Aqua Venus)..?

Not sure but it's quite interesting.