Do these aspects indicate shyness or self-absorption?

[astrologer50]

Originally Posted by Rageypoo

because a TRANSITING planet touches the natal stellium in the SAME manner any normal transit would, within 1 degree! -_-

if for example the sun was at 12 degrees, and venus at 14, and moon at 16, a transiting planet touches EACH PLANET within 1 degree (either applying or separating) as it moves through, 1 degree applying at 11 degrees, exact at 12 degrees, 1 degree separating at 13, at which time it now aspects venus, at 1 degree applying...and so on through the 3 planets. there is a CONSTANT CONNECTION of planets thus the STELLIUM.

BUT we are not discussing transits here. Transits will affect ALL the stellium due to the natal conjunctions, not just one, then another, then another...

As this thread seems to have developed into analysing her relationships, I offer my views :-

We look at sun and mars in femaile chart, therefore.

• Sun Aries wants a man with fire, energy drive and good at starting things, and is highly sexed.
• mars in gemini wants lots of action with lots of different past times, but with a spiritual slant (12th house)
• Saggi Desc, fire, energy, broadminded, philsophical career minded, likes travel, hates to be tied down, could be religious, enjoys higher educt.

planets in 7th.

• Saturn, wants older, mature, responsible, poss father figure.
• Uranus, wants freedom and independence within relationships and bit of excitement now and again. Please do not go for scorpio or water signs, as they are all jealous, possessive and play mind games to get thier own way.
• Neptune here wants sacrifices, spiritual connection and overidealises partner.

Ruler of the Fifth House in the Tenth House

Your creative urges are put to use in your career and your creativity may become known publicly. You not only want to be in the spotlight, you also want to become a respected authority in your field. Your social activities can either enhance your public image or detract from your reputation. You might be willing to take gambles with regards to your career.
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology...rships.htm#hr5

[astrologer50]

Ruler of the Seventh House in the Twelfth House

With regards to marriage and other close partnerships, you could find yourself playing a supportive role from behind-the-scenes in some way. Your partner may have past life issues to finish up with you this time around. At some point, you may involve yourself in a partnership that has a hidden quality about it, or you could become involved with someone who is not free in the usual sense.
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology...rships.htm#hr7

this seems to be inferring, a liason with someone who might not be available even....

[Rageypoo]

Originally Posted by astrologer50

BUT we are not discussing transits here. Transits will affect ALL the stellium due to the natal conjunctions, not just one, then another, then another...

As this thread seems to have developed into analysing her relationships, I offer my views :-

We look at sun and mars in femaile chart, therefore.
Sun Aries wants a man with fire, energy drive and good at starting things, and is highly sexed.
mars in gemini wants lots of action with lots of different past times, but with a spiritual slant (12th house)
Saggi Desc, fire, energy, broadminded, philsophical career minded, likes travel, hates to be tied down, could be religious, enjoys higher educt.
planets in 7th.
Saturn, wants older, mature, responsible, poss father figure.
Uranus, wants freedom and independence within relationships and bit of excitement now and again. Please do not go for scorpio or water signs, as they are all jealous, possessive and play mind games to get thier own way.
Neptune here wants sacrifices, spiritual connection and overidealises partner.

Ruler of the Fifth House in the Tenth House

I'd have to agree, although a cancer descendant will do well for you, having a sun sign in water might be going backwards.

[astrologer50]

Originally Posted by Rageypoo

I'd have to agree, although a cancer descendant will do well for you, having a sun sign in water might be going backwards.

Sorry I disagree, That would give partners cappi Asc and her cappi planets would be very close or even conjunct, which is really bad news Unless it was very late and those planets were not making aspects..

relationship sticky
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28945
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=254409&postcount=9

[Rageypoo]

Originally Posted by astrologer50

Sorry I disagree, That would give partners cappi Asc and her cappi planets would be very close or even conjunct, which is really bad news Unless it was very late and those planets were not making aspects..

relationship sticky
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28945
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=254409&postcount=9

Stability, commitment, long-term associations of a conjunction would be bad news?

her saturn, neptune, and uranus all conjoin my ascendant, I don't see a problem, the interps are pretty awesome, actually.

[astrologer50]

Originally Posted by Rageypoo

Stability, commitment, long-term associations of a conjunction would be bad news?

her saturn, neptune, and uranus all conjoin my ascendant, I don't see a problem, the interps are pretty awesome, actually.

But yor're not in a relationship with her, except this internet - which is not real life is it?


Any planets conj Angles espec Asc/Desc are very important.

• The asc person who has saturn conj will feel restricted, may be older type, very paternal. Who wants a partner who paternal? I want a partner to be equals, but hey that my uranus in 7th wanting balance and fairness and equality
• Uranus conj Asc person will feel the uranus person unusual, disruptive, eccentric, shocking.
• Neptune conj Asc of cappi personal, could be seen as deceptive, spiritual, dreamy, and not quite there even..

it's a difficult combination, it can be mitigated by really good sun/moon/venus/mars aspects but I would have to say no. Cappri rising appears serious, austere, practical, ambitious. My personal experience with mothere is they have little sense of humour to...

[LovelyMissAries]

The debate here is way beyond my level of expertise, so I'll comment on what I do know:

Cap Risings (and Cap in general): I'm drawn to them the most. The first guy was a Cap with a Leo moon (Venus in Sagittarius. I just get impressed when I realize we have an element in common because so many people think astrology is hullaballoo... anyway) , the second was a Cap rising, Leo sun, Moon in Sag (Never again. Never ever ever again.), and the third was a Cap rising, Leo sun, Cap moon. Also conniving and manipulative (aspects aside).

My mother (Taurus rising, Aries sun, Libra moon): I don't know if she was bi-polar but yes, she was definitely depressed and easily angered. When she was angry it was disasterous, especially when I started thinking "Hey, WHY am I taking this?" and argued with her. There was no resolve, she just argued to argue which was exhausting for me. My dad (Aquarius) was always the peacemaker between us two but behind her back would console me and agree with my reasoning. Also about feeling unloved... I'm not sure. I'm a thinker, observer... intellectual, if you will. I knew I was loved but I didn't feel anything. I grew up with a certain detachment from my parents (as odd as it sounds since I just said we're close.)


And I'll be the breadwinner too? The more we discuss the mate predicted in my chart, the more unappealing it sounds to me. I know I'm supposed to shift from rational to intuitive over my lifetime (though I feel a great sense to hurry up and learn it now, weird.) but I would LIKE not to feel like the man all the time!!! At least give me a rugged lumberjack with thighs that can kill a bear or SOMETHING. I can't take all that sensitivity! I need someone who's not as sensitive as me or it's too much (in my opinion). Part of it I think has to do with feeling restricted and not being able to express myself (stems from childhood... couldn't ever disagree with mom.)

[Rageypoo]

Originally Posted by astrologer50

But yor're not in a relationship with her, except this internet - which is not real life is it?


Any planets conj Angles espec Asc/Desc are very important.

• The asc person who has saturn conj will feel restricted, may be older type, very paternal. Who wants a partner who paternal? I want a partner to be equals, but hey that my uranus in 7th wanting balance and fairness and equality
• Uranus conj Asc person will feel the uranus person unusual, disruptive, eccentric, shocking.
• Neptune conj Asc of cappi personal, could be seen as deceptive, spiritual, dreamy, and not quite there even..

it's a difficult combination, it can be mitigated by really good sun/moon/venus/mars aspects but I would have to say no. Cappri rising appears serious, austere, practical, ambitious. My personal experience with mothere is they have little sense of humour to...

Still she would take the association seriously, perhaps keeping in contact with me for many years, I wouldn't see it as bad at all

but I get your points, it could go either way.

[Rageypoo]

Originally Posted by LovelyMissAries

The debate here is way beyond my level of expertise, so I'll comment on what I do know:

Cap Risings (and Cap in general): I'm drawn to them the most. The first guy was a Cap with a Leo moon (Venus in Sagittarius. I just get impressed when I realize we have an element in common because so many people think astrology is hullaballoo... anyway) , the second was a Cap rising, Leo sun, Moon in Sag (Never again. Never ever ever again.), and the third was a Cap rising, Leo sun, Cap moon. Also conniving and manipulative (aspects aside).

My mother (Taurus rising, Aries sun, Libra moon): I don't know if she was bi-polar but yes, she was definitely depressed and easily angered. When she was angry it was disasterous, especially when I started thinking "Hey, WHY am I taking this?" and argued with her. There was no resolve, she just argued to argue which was exhausting for me. My dad (Aquarius) was always the peacemaker between us two but behind her back would console me and agree with my reasoning. Also about feeling unloved... I'm not sure. I'm a thinker, observer... intellectual, if you will. I knew I was loved but I didn't feel anything. I grew up with a certain detachment from my parents (as odd as it sounds since I just said we're close.)


And I'll be the breadwinner too? The more we discuss the mate predicted in my chart, the more unappealing it sounds to me. I know I'm supposed to shift from rational to intuitive over my lifetime (though I feel a great sense to hurry up and learn it now, weird.) but I would LIKE not to feel like the man all the time!!! At least give me a rugged lumberjack with thighs that can kill a bear or SOMETHING. I can't take all that sensitivity! I need someone who's not as sensitive as me or it's too much (in my opinion). Part of it I think has to do with feeling restricted and not being able to express myself (stems from childhood... couldn't ever disagree with mom.)

You being the breadwinner does not mean you're the man. if you and your husband talked about your dreams and he gave you the freedom, it would not mean he is a sissy.

anyone with a fire sign in venus or mars will compliment your rising, you'll need someone highly sexed, you may even try new sexual things with your partner with Uranus in the 7th.

[astrologer50]

Originally Posted by Rageypoo

I would also add, that you'd more than likely be the breadwinner of the partnership, suggesting the husband would either be a stay at home dad, or front most of the responsibilities of the home.

what on earth are you looking at astrologically here??

LMA

And I'll be the breadwinner too? The more we discuss the mate predicted in my chart, the more unappealing it sounds to me. I know I'm supposed to shift from rational to intuitive over my lifetime (though I feel a great sense to hurry up and learn it now, weird.) but I would LIKE not to feel like the man all the time!!! At least give me a rugged lumberjack with thighs that can kill a bear or SOMETHING. I can't take all that sensitivity! I need someone who's not as sensitive as me or it's too much (in my opinion). Part of it I think has to do with feeling restricted and not being able to express myself (stems from childhood... couldn't ever disagree with mom.)

just take this with a pinch of salt until I know what his is referring to astrologically

[Rageypoo]

Originally Posted by astrologer50

what on earth are you looking at astrologically here??

LMA
just take this with a pinch of salt until I know what his is referring to astrologically

Look at the chart, you tell me =)

[astrologer50]

Originally Posted by Rageypoo

Look at the chart, you tell me =)

if you want to be taken seriously, then please qualify what you are referring to astrologically. It's not a guessing game -- thanks

[Rageypoo]

Originally Posted by astrologer50

if you want to be taken seriously, then please qualify what you are referring to astrologically. It's not a guessing game -- thanks

Hypothesis

A hypothesis is an educated guess, based on observation. Usually, a hypothesis can be supported or refuted through experimentation or more observation. A hypothesis can be disproven, but not proven to be true.

please keep in mind, this is an interpretation, and I will not coincide with your beliefs on an interpretation.

Given the present facts however, I encourage you to look at how her outers connect with the supposed "stellium" and the 7th house, as every astrologer with a basic understanding knows that an outer plays an important part to how the stellium works. I suggest looking at jupiter, you should be able to discern why I believe she may be more comfortable in a relationship where the male would stay at home, this is and of course will always be her and her husbands decision.

After all, your guess, is as good as mine!

[astrologer50]

Ragey,

Given the present facts however, I encourage you to look at how her outers connect with the supposed "stellium" and the 7th house, as every astrologer with a basic understanding knows that an outer plays an important part to how the stellium works. I suggest looking at jupiter, you should be able to discern why I believe she may be more comfortable in a relationship where the male would stay at home, this is and of course will always be her and her husbands decision.

After all, your guess, is as good as mine!

that's rather condesending. Did you know Traditional astrologer don't recognise or use 'outers??'

perhaps you would like to continue this discussion on this thread?
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=39021

Why would Jupiter in 12th with only one aspect quincunx to uranus in 7th suggest her partner stay at home or be househusband?

my take on this aspect is - flashes of intuition, original, inventive methods but have problems finding application and outlets. Fear of being tied down is possible and could be inclined to reject opportunities that come her way. They could also create a very different impression from the one intended and seldom end up down what was planned.....

here is another view

Jupiter Quincunx (Inconjunct) Uranus

Overly ambitious, you have an intuitive grasp of the big picture, which stems from optimum flexibility of your values. You are easily led by your impulses to quickly adjust to deep changes in your values. Without discipline you will be in trouble because your enthusiasm will carry you into uncharted waters. Expression of your energy can get you into trouble. Slowly, you learn to harness this expression into something truly creative.
http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/q...retations.html

now if we link these to the houses, Jupiter gives faith sort of devine protection in 12th rules 7th. I've already explained this connection. So uranus rules 9th house of philsophy, higher education, travel, in-laws, religion, the police.

7th in Saggi could suggest a foreigner or philospher, policeman, clergy, higher educatin teacher maybe. Uranus ruling 9th - may have unusual ideas regarding 9th house matters, be free thinker ahead of his time with ideas, humanitarian, fight the cause for underdogs.

So there is nothing connected to Jupiter or outers than I can see that may come close to suggesting her partner being a *house husband* in my best guessimate hypothosis..

By the time pluto has finished going over her Capp planets and T Uranus has gone over her Aries stellium then lots of changes will have occured.

next year, T saturn inlibra will oppose that aries stellium and cause lots of testing time, espec with friends and career.

If you look at IC/home roots/family being in Virgo and mercury being in 11th house we see friends being influencial in family and vice versa. 11th is also hopes and wishes with mercury/venus conj 11th house cusp (Equal house) which would be more effective in 11th moving anti clockwise..

[Rageypoo]

Originally Posted by astrologer50

Ragey,
that's rather condesending. Did you know Traditional astrologer don't recognise or use 'outers??'

perhaps you would like to continue this discussion on this thread?
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=39021

Why would Jupiter in 12th with only one aspect quincunx to uranus in 7th suggest her partner stay at home or be househusband?

my take on this aspect is - flashes of intuition, original, inventive methods but have problems finding application and outlets. Fear of being tied down is possible and could be inclined to reject opportunities that come her way. They could also create a very different impression from the one intended and seldom end up down what was planned.....

here is another view

Jupiter Quincunx (Inconjunct) Uranus

now if we link these to the houses, Jupiter gives faith sort of devine protection in 12th rules 7th. I've already explained this connection. So uranus rules 9th house of philsophy, higher education, travel, in-laws, religion, the police.

7th in Saggi could suggest a foreigner or philospher, policeman, clergy, higher educatin teacher maybe. Uranus ruling 9th - may have unusual ideas regarding 9th house matters, be free thinker ahead of his time with ideas, humanitarian, fight the cause for underdogs.

So there is nothing connected to Jupiter or outers than I can see that may come close to suggesting her partner being a *house husband* in my best guessimate hypothosis..

By the time pluto has finished going over her Capp planets and T Uranus has gone over her Aries stellium then lots of changes will have occured.

next year, T saturn inlibra will oppose that aries stellium and cause lots of testing time, espec with friends and career.

If you look at IC/home roots/family being in Virgo and mercury being in 11th house we see friends being influencial in family and vice versa. 11th is also hopes and wishes with mercury/venus conj 11th house cusp (Equal house) which would be more effective in 11th moving anti clockwise..

Now remember, you called the planets in the 7th house a stellium, right? what touches one planet affacts the lot, so read the first word of that quote about jupiter quicunx uranus.

Uranus, Neptune, Saturn....

Now take the aspects, Moon trining Uranus, Neptune, Saturn, all outers, from the 7th house, find the dominant one of that stellium, also look what is ruling the stellium as well, is it comming together?

Uranus is so greatly touched by Jupiter (although the energy is in quincunx, it is still a connection) affecting her drive, that we look at Uranus, which sextiles her midheaven! her partner, her unusual and strange partnership, will help her in every way with her ambition! Saturn is part of that stellium (a man!?) in the 7th house with a dominant Uranus? oh we're getting somewhere...

put it all together and you get...!!!!

Now, add how the south node is working, sure it is in the 3rd house, but is ruled by virgo, her 4th house ruler, there is a perfection she will demand with the home, and it trines with Uranus! with her south node in opposition of her MC, and the ruler of her south node in in conjunction with the 4th house, which would be more likely, her being a stay at home mom? Or perhaps someone else....???? maybe some planet that represents that someone in the 7th house will have an answer????

Heck, lets add in some supporting aspects, just for good measure. Juno conjoins the south node, and makes a grand trine with her hygeia (health, mental and physical) to her stellium of sun, venus, mercury! and with such a close conjunction with the south node and a 4th house ruler, I can't see this going any other way, can you? Uranus trines also with the south node and with Ceres (children) that is also part of that stellium!

Now lets get even more crazy, and we can see Saturn sextile Pluto, that conjoins the 6th house of work with the 5th house of creativity, children and lovers, and we will see it trines with pt fortune in the 2nd house of finances, ruled by cancer who rules the moon, moon being ruled by Taurus, and we know that Taurus rules Venus, Venus in this chart ruled by Aries, the ruler of her 11th house stellium of Sun, Venus, Mercury, all trine the sag descendant in the 7th house! KABLAM!

God astrology is fun. gotta teach em how to fish!

[Scorpio1115]

MissAries,
Being an Aries there is no question you are self asborbed! Not trying to be mean, but Aries people are me me me. Thats okay though, because thats just their chart doing its job. With a Taurus moon, naturally you are cautious, but determined to have a good time. You want what you want when you want it, and yesterday. This is vague but I only glanced at your chart and when I saw the Aries Sun sign, it doesn't much matter what other aspects are in your chart because everything associated with Aries is about the self. "Know thy self" is the key phrase of Aries. And they do absorb themselves completely. I know many Aries people and they are quite the narcississist.(sp)?
-Scorpio1115

[Rageypoo]

Originally Posted by Scorpio1115

MissAries,
Being an Aries there is no question you are self asborbed! Not trying to be mean, but Aries people are me me me. Thats okay though, because thats just their chart doing its job. With a Taurus moon, naturally you are cautious, but determined to have a good time. You want what you want when you want it, and yesterday. This is vague but I only glanced at your chart and when I saw the Aries Sun sign, it doesn't much matter what other aspects are in your chart because everything associated with Aries is about the self. "Know thy self" is the key phrase of Aries. And they do absorb themselves completely. I know many Aries people and they are quite the narcississist.(sp)?
-Scorpio1115

Most fire signs can be, it's not necessarily a bad thing, they can be just as comforting and nurturing as any = )

[Christoph K.]

Scorpio1115 wrote:

Being an Aries there is no question you are self asborbed! Not trying to be mean, but Aries people are me me me. Thats okay though, because thats just their chart doing its job. With a Taurus moon, naturally you are cautious, but determined to have a good time. You want what you want when you want it, and yesterday. This is vague but I only glanced at your chart and when I saw the Aries Sun sign, it doesn't much matter what other aspects are in your chart because everything associated with Aries is about the self. "Know thy self" is the key phrase of Aries. And they do absorb themselves completely. I know many Aries people and they are quite the narcississist.(sp)?

I think you got it quite right but let me point out some important things so your post won't be misunterstood.This aries-like egoism is not always lived in a way you would expect egoism and selfishness to show up if there are factors inhibiting the person from showing him/her "true" self to others, you might e.g. get a person that's trying to make things most comfortable for a desired partner, not demanding, not possesive and maybe not even doing the decisions. In the relationship then the aries persons shows his/her full possisive and demanding attitude shocking the partner. But all the decisions before - even if they lead do denying the "true" self - were pretty egoistic because they're only oriented towards the desired thing. Aries people aren't always the wall-breakers some would expect an "ideal" aries-person to be. This has a lot to the with the Asc, involved planets etc. of course.


Rageypoo wrote:

Uranus is so greatly touched by Jupiter (although the energy is in quincunx, it is still a connection) affecting her drive, that we look at Uranus, which sextiles her midheaven! her partner, her unusual and strange partnership, will help her in every way with her ambition! Saturn is part of that stellium (a man!?) in the 7th house with a dominant Uranus? oh we're getting somewhere...

Now how exactly do you interpret the quality of a quincunx? Why do think Uranus is dominant here, do you refer to the number of aspects or the dignity?

Now, add how the south node is working, sure it is in the 3rd house, but is ruled by virgo, her 4th house ruler, there is a perfection she will demand with the home, and it trines with Uranus! with her south node in opposition of her MC, and the ruler of her south node in in conjunction with the 4th house, which would be more likely, her being a stay at home mom? Or perhaps someone else....???? maybe someone in the 7th house will have an answer????

The node-axis is seen in terms of karma and reincarnation, indicating which are the experiences of your past lives and what you should experience in this life in order to evolve. In my experience the node-axis does not manifest in life easily, it's more like you desire the point of the north-node somehow but have a bad tendency to avoid the challenge and retreat to the well known place you south-node indicates. It's about security and peril.

All the axis of her chart says is in my opinion that she will often have the need to be a person with a public profile, well known and established, but although she feels the need she might not accept it and fears and avoids the challange by concentrating on work at home or just retreating into the "own 4 walls". The dreams for this public image are maybe unrealisitc for neptune interferes here and connected to some degree of authority for saturns influence who also makes it so difficult to achieve because the requirements she demands of herself are not easy to bring into existence. Before you actually achieve it, the NN is most of all about projection.

I actually don't see much reason to connect this with a partner staying at home etc. because there are quite some possible situations she could live in. I'd more likely imagine a partner who is older and will help her establishing her public image by showing her her qualities and enstrengthen her to believe in them to a full degree. Could be a modern couple of two quite capable and interesting individuals both leading own lifes, whe all know that from TV :-)


I'd be interested to know if my description somehow fits the person having this chart :-)

[Rageypoo]

Originally Posted by Christoph K.

Scorpio1115 wrote:

I think you got it quite right but let me point out some important things so your post won't be misunterstood.This aries-like egoism is not always lived in a way you would expect egoism and selfishness to show up if there are factors inhibiting the person from showing him/her "true" self to others, you might e.g. get a person that's trying to make things most comfortable for a desired partner, not demanding, not possesive and maybe not even doing the decisions. In the relationship then the aries persons shows his/her full possisive and demanding attitude shocking the partner. But all the decisions before - even if they lead do denying the "true" self - were pretty egoistic because they're only oriented towards the desired thing. Aries people aren't always the wall-breakers some would expect an "ideal" aries-person to be. This has a lot to the with the Asc, involved planets etc. of course.


Rageypoo wrote:

Now how exactly do you interpret the quality of a quincunx? Why do think Uranus is dominant here, do you refer to the number of aspects or the dignity?

The node-axis is seen in terms of karma and reincarnation, indicating which are the experiences of your past lives and what you should experience in this life in order to evolve. In my experience the node-axis does not manifest in life easily, it's more like you desire the point of the north-node somehow but have a bad tendency to avoid the challenge and retreat to the well known place you south-node indicates. It's about security and peril.

All the axis of her chart says is in my opinion that she will often have the need to be a person with a public profile, well known and established, but although she feels the need she might not accept it and fears and avoids the challange by concentrating on work at home or just retreating into the "own 4 walls". The dreams for this public image are maybe unrealisitc for neptune interferes here and connected to some degree of authority for saturns influence who also makes it so difficult to achieve because the requirements she demands of herself are not easy to bring into existence. Before you actually achieve it, the NN is most of all about projection.

I actually don't see much reason to connect this with a partner staying at home etc. because there are quite some possible situations she could live in. I'd more likely imagine a partner who is older and will help her establishing her public image by showing her her qualities and enstrengthen her so believe in the to a full degree. Could be a modern couple of two quite capable and interesting individuals both leading own lifes, whe all know that from TV :-)


I'd be interested to know if my description somehow fits the person having this chart :-)

The quincunx here is making a connection, an uneasy one, imagine if you would being the best at what you can do, and a younger, more ambitious entity shows up, it's sort of like that in this case, Uranus rules air and Juputer rules fire, in this case the exact houses they rule are at odds (Uranus rules 11th house and is in the 7th, Jupiter rules Sagittarius which rules her 7th house cusp in the 12th) , since they are not working together they are standing off, causing the native to have a battle between ambition and freedom. this will reflect in the partnership, since more than likely her ambition will get in the way of her relationship at one point in time. Jupiter is also in the 12th house of endings, but it is also about hidden strengths, and weaknesses, if she finds an unconventional mate, she should be able to work through the problems in order to grow (this is why I said look for someone with a trine to your uranus in a synastry)

Not only that, but Uranus is the start of the stellium, and has the most benificial aspects to it, not to mention the fact that it is ruled by capricorn, giving it an even more serious emphasis, this is, of course, just my interpretation and best guess, I would encourage anyone else to give input on it, as it can be proven wrong, it isn't a fact, the native has every bit of control, I do believe however if she didn't find an unconventional partner, that jupiter will not be in a position of hidden strengths, but weaknesses and ending, making the relationship struggle and eventually erode.

With saturn this is where my interpretation comes into play, I don't believe it will hinder, but instead enhance, as the male role in this partnership will be a supportive one. A square isn't necessarily a bad thing, it is simply an intense energy that will need worked on, since saturn squares her sun, it can be linked with a troubled childhood, as saturn is not immediate in its reward, but as it is in the 7th house AND rules uranus, it will, to me, indicate a fruitful partnership with yes, an OLDER man (maybe not too much older) who is strong enough in character to give her the freedom to pursue her dreams, thus the idea of the stay at home dad. Remember, being the breadwinner doesn't mean the woman is the man, there is a general feministic idea of roles with gender, that I'm not savvy on. I believe any PERSONAL relationship relies in the decision the two, it is not bound by society as we often let it, no one can tell you how to relate to a person if they are not trying to do it themselves, each one of us is different and we need to figure that part of ourselves on our own.

I'm glad you touched on the pisces MC, because I do believe also, that part of the reason she may request a stay at home dad, is the unrealistic idea of her success, but with such aspects to her MC I don't believe they are that unrealistic at all, and she should have great success once everything comes together.

I hope these interps help you LovelyMissAries, we haven't heard much from you after our back and fourth, and since you are still young in life many of these events haven't happened yet and may not happen till later, and we do change through the years, what doesn't appeal now may appeal when the time comes, and I'd love to be proved wrong, it will only help my interpretations for the future ^_^

[astrologer50]

Uranus is so greatly touched by Jupiter[how so?] (although the energy is in quincunx, it is still a connection) affecting her drive, that we look at Uranus, which sextiles her midheaven! her partner, her unusual and strange partnership, will help her in every way with her ambition! Saturn is part of that stellium (a man!?) in the 7th house with a dominant Uranus? oh we're getting somewhere...

put it all together and you get...!!!!

I think you are making 2+2 =5 Uranus is NOT greatly afffected by a quincunx aspect and due to the 12th house connection cadent/hidden and losing some energy anyway. Sometimes these quincunxs are very subtle possible health issues simmering away, hard to get at..
Even if she does recognise this facet of her personality, it simply *does not* indicate a stay at home husband

Houses: angular houses 1/7 4/10 the energies of planets placed here are obvious cos it's your 'shop window' visible for everyone to see. Next the succeedent houses 2/8 & 5/11 the energies in these houses are not in shop window the are in the shop, but stood behind the counter, ready to come out when needed. Lastly, cadent houses 6/12 & 3/9 these houses/planets are not in shop window or stood behind the counter, they are in the back storeroom and only come out when 'triggered' or an emergency and much harder to recognise and access...

The houses are like the backdrop of a stage, the setting if you like, the planets are like actors and the aspects are how the planets behave in that settings/stage....

“The eleventh, second, eighth and fifth houses are called succedent ("following" the angles), while the third, twelfth, ninth and sixth are termed cadent ("falling away" from the angles). The succedents are next in strength. Planets in succedent houses function at around 50% of their power, based on the strength of an angular placement, which is the most potent.

The cadent houses are traditionally held to be poor and of little efficacy.
According to traditional astrology, planets in cadent houses only function at 25% of their power, compared with a position in one of the angles of the chart.
http://www.astrologycom.com/houses.html

Originally Posted by Rageypoo

The quincunx here is making a connection, an uneasy one, imagine if you would being the best at what you can do, and a younger, more ambitious entity shows up, it's sort of like that in this case, Uranus rules air and Juputer rules fire, in this case the exact houses they rule are at odds (Uranus rules 11th house and is in the 7th, Jupiter rules Sagittarius which rules her 7th house cusp in the 12th) , since they are not working together they are standing off, causing the native to have a battle between ambition and freedom.[if this was a square or opposition or conjunction I might agree, but it is NOT] this will reflect in the partnership, since more than likely her ambition will get in the way of her relationship at one point in time. Jupiter is also in the 12th house of endings, but it is also about hidden strengths, and weaknesses, if she finds an unconventional mate, she should be able to work through the problems in order to grow (this is why I said look for someone with a trine to your uranus in a synastry)

Not only that, but Uranus is the start of the stellium, and has the most benificial aspects to it, not to mention the fact that it is ruled by capricorn, giving it an even more serious emphasis, this is, of course, just my interpretation and best guess, I would encourage anyone else to give input on it, as it can be proven wrong, it isn't a fact, the native has every bit of control, I do believe however if she didn't find an unconventional partner, that jupiter will not be in a position of hidden strengths, but weaknesses and ending, making the relationship struggle and eventually erode. [if it does *erode* it won't be down to the quincunx aspect! neptune dissolves, saturn sustains and uranus wants excitement]

With saturn this is where my interpretation comes into play, I don't believe it will hinder, but instead enhance, as the male role in this partnership will be a supportive one. A square isn't necessarily a bad thing, it is simply an intense energy that will need worked on, since saturn squares her sun, it can be linked with a troubled childhood, as saturn is not immediate in its reward, but as it is in the 7th house AND rules uranus, it will, to me, indicate a fruitful partnership with yes, an OLDER man (maybe not too much older) who is strong enough in character to give her the freedom to pursue her dreams, thus the idea of the stay at home dad.[hard saturn aspects do need work but again does not indicate a 'stay at home dad' it's a BIG stretch] Remember, being the breadwinner doesn't mean the woman is the man, there is a general feministic idea of roles with gender, that I'm not savvy on. I believe any PERSONAL relationship relies in the decision the two, it is not bound by society as we often let it, no one can tell you how to relate to a person if they are not trying to do it themselves, each one of us is different and we need to figure that part of ourselves on our own.

I'm glad you touched on the pisces MC, because I do believe also, that part of the reason she may request a stay at home dad, is the unrealistic idea of her success, but with such aspects to her MC I don't believe they are that unrealistic at all, and she should have great success once everything comes together. [Uranus sextiles MC suggesting partner may offer oppotunities to further career,Jupiter square MC support from behind the scenes by anyone), south node conj IC are things holder her back from Life Lessons, again does not suggest spouse being stay at home spouse..]

Still it does not indicate spouse being stay at home spouse,.

I hope these interps help you LovelyMissAries, we haven't heard much from you after our back and fourth, and since you are still young in life many of these events haven't happened yet and may not happen till later, and we do change through the years, what doesn't appeal now may appeal when the time comes, and I'd love to be proved wrong, it will only help my interpretations for the future ^_^

Well you won't have to wait long then

Heck, lets add in some supporting aspects, just for good measure. Juno conjoins the south node,[not in my book juno is 25'Leo and south node is 4' Virgo =9' away! is in 3rd house and has to do with communications] and makes a grand trine with her hygeia[is not widely used or recognised by mainstream astrologers inanyevent] (health, mental and physical) to her stellium of sun, venus, mercury! and with such a close conjunction with the south node and a 4th house ruler, I can't see this going any other way, can you?[YES] Uranus trines also with the south node and with Ceres (children) that is also part of that stellium! [ceres 29'38" in aries 11th house trine juno in 3rd house, so communications with friends may be a learning experience]

Now lets get even more crazy, and we can see Saturn sextile Pluto, that conjoins the 6th house of work with the 5th house of creativity, children and lovers[ lovers are not spouses or one to one relationships], and we will see it trines with pt fortune in the 2nd house of finances, [in Equal house POF is in 1st house, cancer/moon rules 2nd and posited in 11th] ruled by cancer who rules the moon, moon being ruled by Taurus, and we know that Taurus rules Venus, Venus in this chart ruled by Aries, the ruler of her 11th house stellium of Sun, Venus, Mercury, all trine the sag descendant in the 7th house! KABLAM!

God astrology is fun. gotta teach em how to fish!

ruler of 2nd in 11th shows her values/beliefs will be affected by friends. Again it does not support your ideas of a stay at home spouse!

Ruler of the Sixth House in the Fifth House

Your work could involve children. You tend to have a lot of worry and concern about your own children. You want only the best for them.
You would rather have the work you do be very creative or at least it should be something you get a lot of personal pleasure from. Additionally, the work you do could have some kind of risk attached to it. If you have pets, you probably treat them like they were your children.
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology...rships.htm#hr6

Pluto in 5th House - succeedent
· Plutonic childhood.
· At least one of your children will be Scorpionic in nature.
· Want control over love affairs and children.
· Should produce talented children.
· You tend to be dominated by romantic partner or children.
· Another common feature is creative work ‑ actors, painters, musicians. Or just enjoying hobbies

[Rageypoo]

Astrology aside, I think it's best to understand where an individual stand in their experience in life. I myself have not come from a divorce with 2 cheating men, and so I do not and cannot understand your position as a woman. I can imagine the idea of a stay at home dad might not appeal to you, but as I said, this is my humble observation and as astrology is not a science, it is my best guest from what I see, we can correct eachother all we'd like but in the end, it is still speculation and an educated opinion.

My hope here is to give LovelyMissAries a different perspective to the picture that she sees, through my eyes, she is educated enough to make her own judgement call.

I would encourage you Astrologer50, to set your sights off of my guesses, and focus more on the native so she can better understand your readings, and not your bias, and please understand, I mean no disrespect, If I had 2 cheating wives, I would be pretty angry at women too.

I would like to also say for you LMA, that life is meant to be lived, and as experience teaches us, we are not perfect, and we shouldn't try to be. Live your life the way you want it, and enjoy the ride it gives you. Sometimes we need to let go of facts, and use our instincts. I'm sure you will do well.

This has been really fun btw = )

[astrologer50]

Ruler of the Second House in the Eleventh House

You may be someone who chooses to put some of your own money into supporting a humanitarian cause, or some other kind of organization representing a cause that you feel strongly about. There's a part of you that values efforts dedicated to creating changes which have global influence. The money you earn yourself will assist in the manifestation of your fondest hopes and wishes. Your sense of self worth is supported by the love you receive from others. Wishes can come true when the self worth is strong enough to open the door for them
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology...rships.htm#hr2

This supports my idea that values, self worth and earning capacity could be linked to large organisations (11th) friends, groups and hopes and wishes. Plus T Jupiter is also conjunct your moon now. Has anything nice happened, perhaps more socialising with friends?

I notice prog sun is currently conj natal moon. this heralds an new whole cycle in hopes and wishs, friends and communications leo/sun rules 3rd house

prog mars has just changed signs into cancer, this should help to focus how you act, maybe you will become more concerned with cancerian issues, like family, home roots and (2nd ruler) how you earn money. Also prog moon is around 8months will be conjunct MC, this could herald a new job or house move.

Prog Asc is now 13' cancer, watch when it gets to 16' cancer as this will give an outlet for POF and should be a rather good time for family, health and poss career.

Be careful when T neptune gets to 3' Pisces as neptune dissolves things and when this happened to me age 16 I left home and it dissolved my relationship with parents. It could be work/career or relationship. first hit march 2013,retrograde hit sept 2013 (most important for timings), Xmas direct hit..2013

[astrologer50]

Originally Posted by Rageypoo

Astrology aside, I think it's best to understand where an individual stand in their experience in life. I myself have not come from a divorce with 2 cheating men, and so I do not and cannot understand your position as a woman. I can imagine the idea of a stay at home dad might not appeal to you, but as I said, this is my humble observation and as astrology is not a science [I believe it art and science and has space for all sorts of astrological opinions], it is my best guest from what I see, we can correct eachother all we'd like but in the end, it is still speculation and an educated opinion.

My hope here is to give LovelyMissAries a different perspective to the picture that she sees, through my eyes, she is educated enough to make her own judgement call. [same from me]

I would encourage you Astrologer50, to set your sights off of my guesses, and focus more on the native so she can better understand your readings,[DITTO] and not your bias, and please understand, I mean no disrespect, If I had 2 cheating wives, I would be pretty angry at women too.

This has been really fun btw = )

perhaps you could take a leaf from my book and give her further insights into her current life, like my views on her progressons and transits

[Rageypoo]

Originally Posted by astrologer50

perhaps you could take a leaf from my book and give her further insights into her current life, like my views on her progressons and transits

I've already taken care of the bulk, as for the progressions and transits, I couldn't ask for a more qualified student/teacher such as yourself to handle the rest

[astrologer50]

Originally Posted by Scorpio1115

MissAries,
Being an Aries there is no question you are self asborbed! Not trying to be mean, but Aries people are me me me. Thats okay though, because thats just their chart doing its job. With a Taurus moon, naturally you are cautious, but determined to have a good time. You want what you want when you want it, and yesterday. This is vague but I only glanced at your chart and when I saw the Aries Sun sign, it doesn't much matter what other aspects are in your chart because everything associated with Aries is about the self. "Know thy self" is the key phrase of Aries. And they do absorb themselves completely. I know many Aries people and they are quite the narcississist.(sp)?
-Scorpio1115

You need to look at how this sun has been *modified* by aspects to saturn,
uranus, neptune. this will not make her a typical aries
plus being in late 10th (placidus) and 11th Equal will take on some traits of those houses ie: Cappi or aquarian inanyevent...