Do these aspects indicate shyness or self-absorption?

[LovelyMissAries]

Hi all,

For some reason, I am very very quiet around new people. It takes me a longer time than most to feel comfortable enough to jump right in and when I finally do speak up, I am still holding back getting a feel for the room and getting comfortable. This whole process of letting my guard down has come to be quite draining and certainly not useful when I inwardly very much desire to feel apart of the group and socialize. However, I've often thought that shy people are self-absorbed because they are worried so much about how they are coming off to other people or how other people will take them.

Basically, does anything in my chart indicate why I am so inhibited and shy? Once getting to know me, I am not like that at all.

I'm using the Placidus house system because it's the one I'm most familiar with (as far as chart drawings go - not the reasoning behind Placidus.). However, I bounce between that, the equal house system, and the whole houses system. Not sure why one is better than the other or how I'm supposed to decide between the three when I'm a novice.

[lazarusx]

Your Sun and Venus in your 11th house (social/friendships) are squaring your stellium in the 7th house (partner/relationships) which i imagine would have a serious effect on your ability to relate to others with ease. I'm sure someone more experienced could go into greater detail.. but that's what really stood out to me.

Venus square Saturn in particular;

Venus square Saturn The square formed between Venus and Saturn shows difficulties in relationships. Because of this, you can be left out of the mainstream of social life sometimes. You have a melancholy disposition resulting in a shyness, or a formal and stiff manner of presenting yourself. You find it hard to meet people half way, perhaps because you fear rejection. A defensive attitude must be overcome. You have such a high degree of tension and anxiety that is hard for you to relax.

[from skyscript: http://www.skyscript.co.uk/venusaspects.html - Moderator]

[astrologer50]

I would be looking at those 12th house planets. Jupiter is practically unaspected with just a quincunx to uranus

So taking action (mars) and expanding your life (jupiter) is trapped in the house of 'self undoing' subconscious mind.

So looking back at childhood, mars here suggets you were not able to act in a way you wanted. Now Gemini Asc quite often has a hard childhood, as I call them the why children and can easily drain parents. Possibly sent to your room to discourage temper tantrums, thereby learning not to act in overt ways

mars is well aspected except for quincunx to pluto, this can occasionally attract violence?

Mars Quincunx (Inconjunct) Pluto

You suffer by having a picture of just what needs to be done and how it is to be accomplished. This can cause you to be controlling and argumentative. When you feel the weight of the responsibilities that you have taken on or when you feel lonely and isolated, then, you are ripe for personal growth. Your desire, manner of expression, and the way you use energy will have to be changed - to be less compulsive, less forceful, so you are able to achieve greater accomplishment and more personal happiness.

http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/q...retations.html

Sun is challenged by square to neptune, showing no clear self image and strongly influencing sun's expressions, to seem more like pisces/neptune.
Sun square saturn shows lack of rapport with father and again on occaions you may appear like a cappi/saturnian.

Natal chart aspects
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planets_in_astrology
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/learn-astrology/astrology-glyphs.php
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/sunaspects.html
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/aspects2.html
http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/planetsaspectsastrology.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_aspect
http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_aspect_e.htm
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/aspectsreference.htm
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/aspectssun.htm
http://astrologynotes.org/wiki/Sun_aspects
http://www.astrologyindepth.com/Special:Prefixindex/category:
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/TOClessons.htm
http://www.theastrologicalaspects.com/
http://www.strangehouse.com/natal-aspects/index.php

planets in houses
http://www.horoscopeswithin.com/planetsinhouses.php
Houses/signs are like the backdrop of a stage/theatre, planets in houses behave like actors on a stage, the *aspects* show how these planets/actor behave in a house

[Rageypoo]

I'll be your friend

[Rageypoo]

Originally Posted by LovelyMissAries

Hi all,

For some reason, I am very very quiet around new people. It takes me a longer time than most to feel comfortable enough to jump right in and when I finally do speak up, I am still holding back getting a feel for the room and getting comfortable. This whole process of letting my guard down has come to be quite draining and certainly not useful when I inwardly very much desire to feel apart of the group and socialize. However, I've often thought that shy people are self-absorbed because they are worried so much about how they are coming off to other people or how other people will take them.

Basically, does anything in my chart indicate why I am so inhibited and shy? Once getting to know me, I am not like that at all.

I'm using the Placidus house system because it's the one I'm most familiar with (as far as chart drawings go - not the reasoning behind Placidus.). However, I bounce between that, the equal house system, and the whole houses system. Not sure why one is better than the other or how I'm supposed to decide between the three when I'm a novice.

I want to touch on a few key points, the placidus system works just fine, so does equal house, whatever helps YOU get the bigger picture, go with it = )

Now, for the dirty...!!!

I see your moon trines well with uranus, neptune, and saturn! all in the 7th house, but there's a nasty moon/pluto opposition, you had a painful experience with one of your parents, since it's a moon opposition more than likely it was your mom, but you also square sun with saturn so your father could have been absent or overly strict as well.

This could have an impact on your friends, because you will fear trusting both sides in an intimate relationship, since you can't discern which one is worthy of the relation.

Since your uranus is smacked in the 7th house, robert hand teaches us that the energy here means you need total freedom in relationships, but more importantly, you need UNUSUAL relationships, if these friends do not have an attribute you are looking for, you will not like them at all. add the terrible neptune to the mix and now you will over idealize friendships in general WITH capricorn you will be equally fussy. now add VESTA and there's your friendship problem, it's in a tight conjunction with friends, vesta in astrology represents our friends, so you have a uranus/vesta conjunction, and a neptune/saturn conjunction right in the 7th house, this is not easy and even harder on your personal relationships will be marriage, you may attract unusual friends that will get in the way of real romance, look for a partner that trines your uranus well, you're gonna need it (and/or possibly black moon)

Saturn has hard aspect to venus, so you'll be very shy with your partner (and friends) because you don't want emotional disputes, confrontation, and an overall difficulty being assertive. As you grow older (saturn is a late development planet) you will and NEED to learn to relate to people or it will be a problem specially in marriage.

Jupiter quincunx uranus will hold you back but not as powerfully as the other planets mentioned, Saturn/neptune and uranus/vesta conjunctions in capricorn are the biggest problems. with jupiter quincunx, you have a tendancy to have alot of enthusiasm but not an easy outlet for directing it, and your friends will be confused by it. In ways you will expect them to understand exactly what you are doing and the greatness you are trying to achieve and it will backfire.

You will more than likely be a performer, if you're not, you should be, seek the performing arts, I'm guessing however you already do some form of theatre or play music?

You're beautiful, charming, and a bit sensitive, you may be easily hurt which will shy you away from anything personal, but you listen, and you have a very warm disposition about you, I'm guessing you are gorgeous, but your pt fortune has hard aspects, I could vision you as an artist who spends most of her time alone, painting beautiful works, and wile many others appreciate it, there's a detachment inside that makes you feel alienated from appreciating even your own beautiful work. This is just an example, but a very vivid and real one, you could compose and sing some very moving music and still feel empty, write poetry and feel uneasy about it's meaning, the real issue here is, you'll get in the way of your own happiness

This of course, is just a guess from looking at the chart.

Your pluto sexties saturn, you can change any aspect of yourself if you wish, or affect others powerfully, if you are not a performer or artist, do so now, specially if you sing, or play, it will move people ^_^

Your north node is in conjunction with your MC and it's in pisces, you will have a tendency to be very judgemental of the people around you, develop your higher mind, there's a tendancy to be very narrow minded and you'll have tunnel vision in the grand scope of things, serve others through your career, although you have high hopes and dreams in your career they need to be practical, use that narrow vision on your career for focus, but only to serve others, if you don't, you'll feel overwhelmed by career choices and go through many career changes. your Astraea is also in conjunction, enjoy your spiritual pursuits, but be cautious of losing the real value in it, for you can be very narrow of which spiritual or religious sect you pick, and forget to see unity with the world. You have views that others may not appreciate, and if you get stifled by it, you will not share it with others.

you very much are afraid of being overwhelmed by other people, and in your career you do not like change. take risks, do something fun, use those uranus energies to develop those unique personal relationships, be free, learn. your moon in taurus in 11th will mean emotionally friendships are everything to you, but they will fail to live up to those expectations you have set for them, they will change, either moving away or emotionally, and disappoint you, you'll feel a sense of loss when separated from your friends, and this attributes to some of those creative energies you have in the arts. be careful of eating when you are stressed, you could over indulge yourself if too pained.

the positive to this moon is that you will be able to attract friends, lots of them, who will help you emotionally and financially, look for the ones ready to help and love them even if they change, because they will always love you, and help you move forward.

since your vesta does aspect softly to other planets, you'll enjoy friends who have children, friends you can communicate with who are precise and direct with you, those who will help you change in your career, and help you see unity in the world, who can help show you that people can live in harmony and love one another. Even more importantly, is your marriage, you will trine with Juno, vesta, ceres, so you will likely marry a friend, and you'll gain your greatest joy in marriage, children, and someone who helps you with health.

Don't despair sweet Aries, you're still finding your happiness and it will be in the one you love. with all those planets in 7th and in capricorn, it may take you a wile to find it, but thankfully you should only marry once, despite having neptune there, and then you will feel much better about the situation you are in.

Since I touched on the black moon trine sextile or conjunction, it's important to know what yours is, yours is in the 5th house of you guessed it, creativity. you will pursue your creativity at all costs, and in doing so, will feel that others will get in the way, particularly your children. find a lover who is equal with you, but who doesn't mind taking care of the kids, someone supportive to let you shine, you will more than likely be very successful in the arts. Just remember the black moon is not something you are to hold onto forever, and you will eventually be aware of this negative feature of yourself. I'll PM you an interpretation of this, so find a partner, who you look up to, trust, and love, who wont mind taking on the more feminine responsibilities so you can shine.

[Christoph K.]

LovelyMissAries,


beeing only a few days older than you are I'd try thinking about the squares Saturn forms to your Sun, Venus and Mercury if I were you.

Saturn in square position to these planets gives you the urgent need to control yourself in most situations in order to not make any mistakes. He'd take those mistakes very serioulsy and you'd not stop blaming yourself for acting foolish (more likely what you value to have been folish).

You might to be able to get out of your stasis when you know the situation and have established some sort of evaluation of the person you're talking with. The nature of this problem is founded in your never-ending projections, expecting everybody to be an expert of some sort or a professional speaker, so you should definitly do your very best in order to not look like a fool to these people.

These saturn-issues are psychologically explainable by having a lack of selfesteem on the one hand side and on the other hand side a big pile of talents granted by this extreme instrospection of yours. Measuring yourself to bar risen up to the clouds seems just good enough. Maybe your parents have always been hard on you, not granting your efforts.

Having neptune joining this combination is not very helpful actually, for he distracts your visions from solving concrete problems and give you the urgent need to escape from difficult situations and not to solve them.


Greetings,

Christoph K.

[Rageypoo]

Originally Posted by Christoph K.

LovelyMissAries,


beeing only a few days older than you are I'd try thinking about the squares Saturn forms to your Sun, Venus and Mercury if I were you.

Saturn in square position to these planets gives you the urgent need to control yourself in most situations in order to not make any mistakes. He'd take those mistakes very serioulsy and you'd not stop blaming yourself for acting foolish (more likely what you value to have been folish).

You might to be able to get out of your stasis when you know the situation and have established some sort of evaluation of the person you're talking with. The nature of this problem is founded in your never-ending projections, expecting everybody to be an expert of some sort or a professional speaker, so you should definitly do your very best in order to not look like a fool to these people.

These saturn-issues are psychologically explainable by having a lack of selfesteem on the one hand side and on the other hand side a big pile of talents granted by this extreme instrospection of yours. Measuring yourself to bar risen up to the clouds seems just good enough. Maybe your parents have always been hard on you, not granting your efforts.

Having neptune joining this combination is not very helpful actually, for he distracts your visions from solving concrete problems and give you the urgent need to escape from difficult situations and not to solve them.


Greetings,

Christoph K.

EXCELLENT interp, he's right on the money in every way.

[Christoph K.]

Thanks but not to tough though, I've got to know myself pretty well over the years Although the houses differ, it's still the same basic topic I guess.

[Rageypoo]

Saturn isn't aspecting Mercury, or she'd have a big problem, it just hits the sun and venus.

[miquar]

Hi LovelyMissAries. I wouldn't have assumed that this was necessarily the chart of a shy person, but as Rageypoo has said, you do have the squares to the Saturn Neptune conjunction, and the Pluto opposition from that Taurus Moon (which is a placement that often struggles with change), and the ruler of the Aries planets is in the 12th. Also that Chiron in Cancer in the first house (first colours how we start new things) could be worth reflecting on, as it also aspects your chart ruler (quintile with one degree orb).

Saturn Neptune can bring a tension between ideal and reality - you may be quite hard on yourself and expect others to be disappointed in you until you find out otherwise. And Moon in Taurus opposite Pluto may take time to adapt to a new person due to a fear upheaval to your feelings about yourself and your place in the world. Chiron in Cancer can carry a wound with regard to self-acceptance, which might cause you to put up a 1st house shield.

I wonder if these placements and aspects reflect certain fears and wounds that are generally pushed to the back of your mind until you meet a new person, and then you are made more aware of them.

[Christoph K.]

Saturn isn't aspecting Mercury, or she'd have a big problem, it just hits the sun and venus.

I've noticed that they're some degrees out of ususal orb, but for mercury is a part of a small stellium including venus and sun and these are directly aspected I still see some kind of connection here because mercury is part of the aspected "complex". This is my judgement by expirience.

But I also have to say, that Sa/sq/Me and Sa/sq/Su are not that easy to be distinguished in terms of "coming into existence" because both share a lot of possible traits. "You are what you think" is a pretty wide spread idea.


Greetings,

Christoph K.

[Rageypoo]

Originally Posted by Christoph K.

I've noticed that they're some degrees out of ususal orb, but for mercury is a part of a small stellium including venus and sun and these are directly aspected I still see some kind of connection here because mercury is part of the aspected "complex". This is my judgement by expirience.

But I also have to say, that Sa/sq/Me and Sa/sq/Su are not that easy to be distinguished in terms of "coming into existence" because both share a lot of possible traits. "You are what you think" is a pretty wide spread idea.


Greetings,

Christoph K.

you can see it that way, I mostly view stelliums as simply a "point of reference" as to what is featured in a persons chart, so the 11th house is most featured, since it is the only one with the stellium, the next would be 7th, so on and so fourth. Saturn isn't making any aspect to mercury because it is more than 7 degrees apart from one another, even the saturn square sun is not a tight square at only 4 degrees separating. you're welcome to include it in the interp, I would do it very lightly.

that being said, here is:

saturn square sun and saturn square venus

http://cafeastrology.com/natal/sunsaturnaspects.html
http://cafeastrology.com/natal/venussaturnaspects.html

and of course, the mercury square saturn

http://cafeastrology.com/natal/mercu...rnaspects.html


now the GOOD news is, they are separating, so later on in life as the chart progresses, the effects should almost wear off entirely and you'll come into your own.

[astrologer50]

Ragey,

Since your uranus is smacked in the 7th house, robert hand teaches us that the energy here means you need total freedom in relationships, but more importantly, you need UNUSUAL relationships, if these friends do not have an attribute you are looking for, you will not like them at all.
1) I'm fed up of hearing this stereotype. It is a divorce aspect, it can sometimes be attracting to unconventional type relationships but it really is looking for a BIT of excitement rather than routine/boring....

add the terrible neptune to the mix and now you will over idealize [hello neptune in 7th has nothing to do with friendships, it's one to one relationships. She has moon in taurus in 11th, she seeks to nurture and be nurtured by friends ] friendships in general WITH capricorn you will be equally fussy. now add VESTA and there's your friendship problem, it's in a tight conjunction with friends, vesta in astrology represents our friends, so you have a uranus/vesta conjunction, and a neptune/saturn conjunction right in the 7th house, this is not easy and even harder on your personal relationships will be marriage, you may attract unusual friends [why would she?] that will get in the way of real romance, look for a partner that trines your uranus well, you're gonna need it (and/or possibly black moon)

11th has moon and mercury/venus are conj 11th cusp and more effective there.

Uranus in 7th House – Angular house
· These people have an intrinsic sense of fair play, of justice and of equality. When these principles are ­consistently violated in relationships, the cumulative stress can induce a psychologically traumatic state. When this occurs they must re‑evaluate themselves in terms of their expectations about reality in general, and relationship dynamics specifically
· Shows a desire for freedom in marriage. The partner may be unusually intelligent. Your choice of mate could be unpredictable. Need certain amount of freedom within a marriage or your partner may want or need this. Can go both ways
· Difficulties in marriage either one can be too independent. Boredom and routine needs breaking occasionally to keep things fresh, exciting. But with a certain amount of eccentricity married life will not be dull.
· Divorce or separation, sometimes by sudden death if Uranus is afflicted. Apt to attract a partner who wants to feel free and be a law unto themselves.
· Suddenly find themselves being confronted by ‘open enemies’ which will come as a surprise – but at least that way it can be dealt with (much better than 12th/secret enemies)

lastly, the pluto is a singleton as only planet in water, which the chart lacks.
Chiron in the first, is the mark of a healer.....

Chiron in the 1st house:

Chiron here can make you like a knight in shining armor, always ready to fight for the underdog. Usually, while you are doing this, you are neglecting yourself. You could also be a wise councilor (especially in health matters) but you seem to have trouble taking your own advice. A 1st house Chiron can be a gifted teacher, and, of course, you can teach others how to do something better than you can do it yourself. A neat trick to get around this: Give yourself advice as if you were someone else. Then maybe you will take it.

http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/chiron21.5.html

Chiron in Cancer or the Fourth House: This person feels like a fish out of water. They often express feelings of "otherness". Some joke about being adopted or being space aliens because they feel so different from their home and cultural groups. There can be indications of childhood abuse, abandonment by the father, and early childhood trauma, if other aspects support this, or there are hard aspects related to family. Chiron in Cancer can indicate difficulties in starting one's own family later in life. Some actively refuse to start families of their own because their early life was so insecure.

http://www.aquarianage.org/west/planets/ch-nat01.html

[danashock]

when i read ur post i just KNEW that a taurus moon is involved! It is definitely the most introverted/ and shy-est sign and gets more private as a lunar placement. your moon is heavily aspected by tough outer planets and is in the 11th house,so i believe that your shy attitude may be linked with former conditioning that your mother contributed in.

The other factor is an earth stellium in a social house (capricorn planets in the seventh). earth as an element is quite shy generally and capricorn sure does have this reputation. having it in ur 7th house shows that this capricorn approach will be your way of socializing. A full 7th house is very karmic and can be a little bit tricky to deal with,i know so cuz i also have a 7th house stellium. the trickiest ppl to deal with will be ppl u meet at ur career as well as older people,i believe this may also make u more attracted to the father figure and older partner. good luck!

[miquar]

Astrologer50: I think 'Uranus in the 7th is a divorce placement' is a ridiculous stereotype that threatens to weaken people's sense of free will, whereas 'the need for unusual relationships' is a much more helpful suggestion, because it helps people to notice the source of any restlessness and resentment they might be feeling in relationships. And I also think that the 7th does affect all relationships, including friendships. It is the house of the significant other, and friends can be very significant in one's life. Someone looking at their Uranus in the 7th according to this broader view would have the option of looking outside of their partnership for some of their Uranian needs, for example joining a group of like-minded people, in order to take some of the pressure off their partnership. With so many planets in the 7th, with very different values, it isn't necessarily going to be possible to find a partnership that reflects all of these energies, but it doesn't mean that such a person can't have a lasting and faithful marriage. Uranus can be incredibly loyal to the ideal of marriage when placed in the 7th.

[astrologer50]

Originally Posted by danashock

when i read ur post i just KNEW that a taurus moon is involved! It is definitely the most introverted/ and shy-est sign and gets more private as a lunar placement. your moon is heavily aspected by tough outer planets and is in the 11th house,so i believe that your shy attitude may be linked with former conditioning that your mother contributed in.[she doesn't have 'outer planets' in 11th and moon is well aspected with trines and just one opp to pluto]

The other factor is an earth stellium in a social house (capricorn planets in the seventh). earth as an element is quite shy generally and capricorn sure does have this reputation. having it in ur 7th house shows that this capricorn approach will be your way of socializing. A full 7th house is very karmic and can be a little bit tricky to deal with,i know so cuz i also have a 7th house stellium. the trickiest ppl to deal with will be ppl u meet at ur career as well as older people,i believe this may also make u more attracted to the father figure and older partner. good luck!

you could be right about father figure or older partners..

[danashock]

Originally Posted by astrologer50

your moon is heavily aspected by tough outer planets and is in the 11th house,so i believe that your shy attitude may be linked with former conditioning that your mother contributed in.[she doesn't have 'outer planets' in 11th and moon is well aspected with trines and just one opp to pluto]

I was referring to the moon in the 11th house,the outer planets are trining it +pluto opposition. Personally,I really dont think that moon and the outer planets are that good together even in the more positive aspects such as the trines,and with a plutonic opposition in the picture,i really wouldnt take it lightly.

[astrologer50]

Originally Posted by miquar

Astrologer50: I think 'Uranus in the 7th is a divorce placement' is a ridiculous stereotype that threatens to weaken people's sense of free will, whereas 'the need for unusual relationships' [I don't like or associate with this, it makes someoen seem weird looking for something kinky ] is a much more helpful suggestion, because it helps people to notice the source of any restlessness and resentment they might be feeling in relationships.[ personally with my chart ruler uranus here and challenged by luminaries, I never felt restlessness or resentment, 'until' both my husbands cheated - then straight out the door]

And I also think that the 7th does affect all relationships, including friendships. It is the house of the significant other, and friends can be very significant in one's life. Someone looking at their Uranus in the 7th according to this broader view would have the option of looking outside of their partnership for some of their Uranian needs, for example joining a group of like-minded people, in order to take some of the pressure off their partnership. With so many planets in the 7th, with very different values, it isn't necessarily going to be possible to find a partnership [the thread was not entitled please assess my marriage potential or relationships here, but looking at 'shyness'] that reflects all of these energies, but it doesn't mean that such a person can't have a lasting and faithful marriage. Uranus can be incredibly loyal to the ideal of marriage when placed in the 7th.

Personally I think 'friends of the heart' are seen in 5th rather than 7th.

So back to my first post mars in 12th with jupiter are struggling in cadent/hidden house. She has problems taking action and how to expand social contacts Jupiter is restricted and hidden.

Mars in the 12th House

You may actively seek seclusion for yourself or you may actually be drawn to work in large public institutions such as hospitals, prisons and the like. If so inclined, you can be a powerful force for improving the lot of those less fortunate than you.
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology...tmarshouse.htm

Jupiter in 12th House

With Jupiter in the Twelfth House you will find luck, ease of working and general good fortune coming through spiritual work, literature, art, poetry, religion or stage and screen work. Inspiration, support and guidance may come from an inner search for spiritual fulfilment - in the form of meditation, seclusion and introspective study. At some stage of life you may make a great personal sacrifice in order to fulfill your ideal of worthwhile service, perhaps through asylums, hospitals or public institutions. you have a healthy respect for ancient wisdom and the more profound teachings.
http://www.horoscopeswithin.com/jupiterinhouses.php

[miquar]

Unusual doesn't need to mean kinky, it just means something that isn't currently normal for a person.

I didn't say everyone with Uranus in the 7th feels resentment in relationship. I said that if they do, then a fluid interpretation gives them more scope than just being told they have a divorce placement in their chart.

Friends could be seen as connected with various different houses, depending on what kind of friendship it is.

[LovelyMissAries]

Oh my! So many responses that I'm not sure where to start! I've had quite a busy day so if I'm not acknowledging everything, my apologies.

First, there was some speculation about my relationship with my parents. In short, my mom and I had an adversarial relationship growing up which led me to always prefer being around my father, when he wasn't on a business trip. He's always been more compassionate, understanding, relaxed than my mother (Aries-Aqua marriage.... opposites that certainly compliment each other well. ) I knew Sun/Moon represented symbols of our parents but I figured since the natal chart is about me that I was simply born with shyness or developed it on my own. A "nature" affliction rather than "nurture".

Rageypoo - I LOVE to play piano. I sing quite well for not having had any lessons and actually, the only thing I have on my 'Bucket List' is performing my favorite songs in front of an audience at a bar or something. Possibly with a few VIP guests the songs are for sitting in the front row. I don't feel empty when I play/sing though. It it actually very emotional for me and music is an outlet for me to say what I can't seem to communicate. I have thought about theater, performing arts but circumstances are creating obstacles a little bit. Such as this realization coming later rather than sooner and I'm already my third year in, in university. I was also a little lost on what you meant by a 'Black Moon'. I've never heard of that. I did receive your PM, however.

About Uranus in my 7th: I definitely feel it. I have no idea how I'm going to find the right relationship for me as my emotional needs are hard to pin down and would probably be deemed unusual. I find weird people more normal and comfortable to be around than, say, the stereotypical "preppy" girl. As far as my 7th house goes, I figure I will probably marry a more sensitive, feminine man because I have a lot of masculine energy for a girl. I hung out with Dad because I was adversed to mom and I simply hate and do not ever play the typical emotional games that girls do. It's tiresome. In any case, my point is I'm sure Uranus will have a say in all of that!


Astrologer50 - Lol, I'm not sure you realize this but every one of my threads you comment on my 12th house. In all honesty, I don't pay much attention to it. I probably should considering Mars is bubbling in there but what I've attributed it to is much less severe than what you've described. However, Jupiter being there as a means of not being able to expand social contacts is interesting and not something I would've thought of.



To all: I am fixated on my Moon trines and seeing if they give me any psychic ability BUT if you notice my MOON (intuition) is trine with Saturn and Neptune. Two outer planets my Sun, Mercury, and Venus are squared with (and actually my Mercury is squared Saturn). What I'm wondering is if this means I'm supposed to let my intuition guide me more than my ego, or self (Sun) when looking for friends? And is my chart is basically a lesson in following my heart rather than my pride kind of thing?

[LovelyMissAries]

Originally Posted by danashock

I was referring to the moon in the 11th house,the outer planets are trining it +pluto opposition. Personally,I really dont think that moon and the outer planets are that good together even in the more positive aspects such as the trines,and with a plutonic opposition in the picture,i really wouldnt take it lightly.

So my moon opp. pluto DOES play a part in this? I was dismissed last time I asked about it, even though I thought "No way, there has to be something in there!"

[Rageypoo]

Originally Posted by danashock

when i read ur post i just KNEW that a taurus moon is involved! It is definitely the most introverted/ and shy-est sign and gets more private as a lunar placement. your moon is heavily aspected by tough outer planets and is in the 11th house,so i believe that your shy attitude may be linked with former conditioning that your mother contributed in.

The other factor is an earth stellium in a social house (capricorn planets in the seventh). earth as an element is quite shy generally and capricorn sure does have this reputation. having it in ur 7th house shows that this capricorn approach will be your way of socializing. A full 7th house is very karmic and can be a little bit tricky to deal with,i know so cuz i also have a 7th house stellium. the trickiest ppl to deal with will be ppl u meet at ur career as well as older people,i believe this may also make u more attracted to the father figure and older partner. good luck!

There is no stellium there, it looks like there is, but the planets are more than 7 degrees apart.

[Rageypoo]

Originally Posted by LovelyMissAries

Oh my! So many responses that I'm not sure where to start! I've had quite a busy day so if I'm not acknowledging everything, my apologies.

First, there was some speculation about my relationship with my parents. In short, my mom and I had an adversarial relationship growing up which led me to always prefer being around my father, when he wasn't on a business trip. He's always been more compassionate, understanding, relaxed than my mother (Aries-Aqua marriage.... opposites that certainly compliment each other well. ) I knew Sun/Moon represented symbols of our parents but I figured since the natal chart is about me that I was simply born with shyness or developed it on my own. A "nature" affliction rather than "nurture".

Rageypoo - I LOVE to play piano. I sing quite well for not having had any lessons and actually, the only thing I have on my 'Bucket List' is performing my favorite songs in front of an audience at a bar or something. Possibly with a few VIP guests the songs are for sitting in the front row. I don't feel empty when I play/sing though. It it actually very emotional for me and music is an outlet for me to say what I can't seem to communicate. I have thought about theater, performing arts but circumstances are creating obstacles a little bit. Such as this realization coming later rather than sooner and I'm already my third year in, in university. I was also a little lost on what you meant by a 'Black Moon'. I've never heard of that. I did receive your PM, however.

About Uranus in my 7th: I definitely feel it. I have no idea how I'm going to find the right relationship for me as my emotional needs are hard to pin down and would probably be deemed unusual. I find weird people more normal and comfortable to be around than, say, the stereotypical "preppy" girl. As far as my 7th house goes, I figure I will probably marry a more sensitive, feminine man because I have a lot of masculine energy for a girl. I hung out with Dad because I was adversed to mom and I simply hate and do not ever play the typical emotional games that girls do. It's tiresome. In any case, my point is I'm sure Uranus will have a say in all of that!


Astrologer50 - Lol, I'm not sure you realize this but every one of my threads you comment on my 12th house. In all honesty, I don't pay much attention to it. I probably should considering Mars is bubbling in there but what I've attributed it to is much less severe than what you've described. However, Jupiter being there as a means of not being able to expand social contacts is interesting and not something I would've thought of.



To all: I am fixated on my Moon trines and seeing if they give me any psychic ability BUT if you notice my MOON (intuition) is trine with Saturn and Neptune. Two outer planets my Sun, Mercury, and Venus are squared with (and actually my Mercury is squared Saturn). What I'm wondering is if this means I'm supposed to let my intuition guide me more than my ego, or self (Sun) when looking for friends? And is my chart is basically a lesson in following my heart rather than my pride kind of thing?

yes more than likely you will. look for a man with a cancer descendant (even though it will not go well with your sag descendant) or someone with cancer in one of their personal planets. you're very low on earth so look for a fixed man, someone positive who will be a positive role for you and the children, and will be able to build structure so you can be free.

I and other astrologists will confirm, there is no square aspect for your saturn/mercury, it is over 7 degrees apart. only luminaries (sun/moon) go up to 10 degrees.

Moon oppose pluto is over 4 degrees apart but applying, so it will have some features in your life beacuse plutonian energies are very powerful, as are the emotions. you'll have times where you as an adult, will experience a love-hate element in your relationships which is a reflection of how you feel about yourself, if you can overcome and accept change into your life, it will help you channel the powerful energies of pluto into a more creative outlet.

I'm glad you are an artist!! stick with it, I'd love to hear you sing sometime.

the emptiness may not be when you SING but lets say if you wrote the song yourself, or if you had to write a piano score. it's not necessarily bad, it just means you wont settle until it is perfect.

Originally Posted by miquar

Astrologer50: I think 'Uranus in the 7th is a divorce placement' is a ridiculous stereotype that threatens to weaken people's sense of free will, whereas 'the need for unusual relationships' is a much more helpful suggestion, because it helps people to notice the source of any restlessness and resentment they might be feeling in relationships. And I also think that the 7th does affect all relationships, including friendships. It is the house of the significant other, and friends can be very significant in one's life. Someone looking at their Uranus in the 7th according to this broader view would have the option of looking outside of their partnership for some of their Uranian needs, for example joining a group of like-minded people, in order to take some of the pressure off their partnership. With so many planets in the 7th, with very different values, it isn't necessarily going to be possible to find a partnership that reflects all of these energies, but it doesn't mean that such a person can't have a lasting and faithful marriage. Uranus can be incredibly loyal to the ideal of marriage when placed in the 7th.

It can be a divorce aspect IF the native doesn't embrace the energies of the 7th house, Robert Hand mentioned it I believe quite perfectly, that a person with 7th house uranus can have a belief structure that is "be with one man only" depending on how we are raised, however the native will have so much energy unused that they will ATTRACT a person who demands the same type of freedom that uranus craves, because the native is wanting that freedom as well. The tragedy here is that both of them want freedom, Stifled, the partner will leave the native, because they will feel so restricted in the relationship. of course this is a very condensed summary of what he mentioned, and is not a direct quote, I encourage you to pick up the book Robert Hand's "Planets in transit" as it is a fundamental bible for understanding transiting planets (and transiting interps also go for natal interps as well) I've gone through 2 copies so far, the book is so heavily used it falls apart lol.

Since LovelyMissAries has a creative outlet, however, she can direct her Uranian energy into singing, piano, etc, and it should keep the energy from wanting things like multiple men in a personal relationship, as Uranus in the 7th can make a person want "open" relationships or no marriage at all, I don't think this is the case however, too many trines to juno and ceres, it's unlikely LovelyMissAries would not enjoy a marriage, as long as freedom is given in her creative talents.

[LovelyMissAries]

Originally Posted by Rageypoo

There is no stellium there, it looks like there is, but the planets are more than 7 degrees apart.

Can you explain why that matters concerning stelliums? I thought it was simply 3+ planets in a house together, all under the same sign.

[LovelyMissAries]

Originally Posted by Rageypoo

yes more than likely you will. look for a man with a cancer descendant (even though it will not go well with your sag descendant) or someone with cancer in one of their personal planets. you're very low on earth so look for a fixed man, someone positive who will be a positive role for you and the children, and will be able to build structure so you can be free.

Jimminy Cricket. My ex-boyfriend was a Leo, with a Mercury Cancer, Capricorn rising. We won't go into that but it's amazing how the advice given here matches him nearly to a T, well... what he was supposed to be if we were going off sign placements and not aspects or anything. How am I low on earth? I have FOUR planets in earth, not including my Virgo IC.

I also LOVE Cancers and Scorpios. They top my friend lists by far except I find a fire/water combination friend is like walking on eggshells. Those friends don't last very long. Back to my point though, even though I know a Sun Cancer and someone with Cancer desc. are not the same thing I was wondering it's why I attract and get along them. Also, if it won't go well with my Sag Asc. then why look for that instead of Gem. desc?

I and other astrologists will confirm, there is no square aspect for your saturn/mercury, it is over 7 degrees apart. only luminaries (sun/moon) go up to 10 degrees.

I wish Astro.com would mention that in their free chart description. All this time I never knew.

Moon oppose pluto is over 4 degrees apart but applying, so it will have some features in your life beacuse plutonian energies are very powerful, as are the emotions. you'll have times where you as an adult, will experience a love-hate element in your relationships which is a reflection of how you feel about yourself, if you can overcome and accept change into your life, it will help you channel the powerful energies of pluto into a more creative outlet.

I'm glad you are an artist!! stick with it, I'd love to hear you sing sometime.

the emptiness may not be when you SING but lets say if you wrote the song yourself, or if you had to write a piano score. it's not necessarily bad, it just means you wont settle until it is perfect.

Yes, yes, yes! I will not put it up on Youtube until every note and every pluck is perfect. I feel embarrassed if it isn't and I also feel embarrassed writing song lyrics. It sounds so cheesy and not like the professionals lol. Okay, so moon opp. pluto explains the wishy-washiness I feel in my relationships. The nausea of having to be vulnerable to someone and yet craving that at the same time... got it. Great. -_- In all honesty, I think I do fine with change though. But that's comparing me to my Scorpio ASC/Scorpio sun, merc, and Venus best friend (Capricorn moon included).

It can be a divorce aspect IF the native doesn't embrace the energies of the 7th house, Robert Hand mentioned it I believe quite perfectly, that a person with 7th house uranus can have a belief structure that is "be with one man only" depending on how we are raised, however the native will have so much energy unused that they will ATTRACT a person who demands the same type of freedom that uranus craves, because the native is wanting that freedom as well. The tragedy here is that both of them want freedom, Stifled, the partner will leave the native, because they will feel so restricted in the relationship. of course this is a very condensed summary of what he mentioned, and is not a direct quote, I encourage you to pick up the book Robert Hand's "Planets in transit" as it is a fundamental bible for understanding transiting planets (and transiting interps also go for natal interps as well) I've gone through 2 copies so far, the book is so heavily used it falls apart lol.

Since LovelyMissAries has a creative outlet, however, she can direct her Uranian energy into singing, piano, etc, and it should keep the energy from wanting things like multiple men in a personal relationship, as Uranus in the 7th can make a person want "open" relationships or no marriage at all, I don't think this is the case however, too many trines to juno and ceres, it's unlikely LovelyMissAries would not enjoy a marriage, as long as freedom is given in her creative talents.

I'm really glad you pointed out why I wouldn't be attracting that kind of situation into my life. I always seem to get guys who are unavailable in some way (which was brought up in a different thread of mine some time ago due to Neptune) and I refuse to go down that path. That's bad karma and LMA doesn't do bad karma. I'm obsessively creative but in private. I assume I'll attract a bit of showy guy too? I agree with the "be with one man only", that's definitely how I was raised but I personally don't want to experience a bunch of different types. I know myself pretty well in the sense of who I fit with and who I don't, it's just that the people I fit with are a rarity.

In Astro.com Extended chart section I included Juno in there and there was maybe a sextile aspect with my Asc, if that. Where are you seeing the trines?