Astrological Rising Signs and Standards

[waybread]

What we have tried to explain is how the astrological question that you raised was not the one designed to get an answer to the personality question that you asked. So we did answer you about the personality question according to astrological principles that make more sense than knowing this man's rising sign.

[Claire19]

Originally Posted by Skillcoil

That has nothing to do with rising signs, its venus/saturn/moon/pluto aspects.

Exactly, the rising sign is just our persona, mask and initial impressions and through which we filter our impressions... The ruling planet may be linked with other planets for trust issues but that would have to with early childhood days...

[Claire19]

Originally Posted by AriScoPis87

Tim I'd like to point out that I asked a question and the two posters after me that responded did so by not even just answering the question. My problem is that I don't know the birth time and if I did I would have know the person's rising sign, which in fact would have left me to never post in the first place.

But since I don't that is why I came her asking the question that I did. I hope you can understand from my side of the situation that all I wanted to know is one simple thing and I got answer that had nothing to do with my question in the first place.

After today I won't be here to post anything in regards to this forum except the one I'm always on. I felt under attack since the moment I posted and I feel very unwelcome here.

sorry you felt unwelcome and under attack....I certainly dont mean it that way..... It was explained to you that the rising sign question is not really relevant to your query....So it was a general question as you dont know the rising sign of anyone in particular..... Astrology is much more complex than just one placement or aspect in defining who we may be.....

[AriScoPis87]

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[waybread]

What we are trying to say is that the question you asked will not give you the answers you want about your BF's best friend's personality.

Alas, astrology is complex. There is no way around it. There are simple answers to simple questions, but they do not much feature in real natal chart interpretation.

[moonwillow]

"Most facial features are a product of genetics, not rising sign. You are better off guessing the rising sign on the basis of personality; but again, these can be confounded by other chart factors"

Waybread, your logic continues to impress me. I have been doing alot of research on this.

The more I read about ascendant signs and its "apparent" influence on the way one looks, the more I become skeptical about the whole thing.

I look like my dad, everyone says so, yes, he was dark, that is because he is of indian descent, punjab to be precise. He married my mom who was of portugese, spanish, and french descent, she was olive skin with green eyes
my dad, dark skin with hazel eyes.

I have dark, black hair with light brown eyes, I am very dark skin, I am 5'1, wiry, and skinny (my sisters tease me and calls me scarecrow) nothing like the typical butch, bushy eyes scorpio rising which I am.

My daughter who is also scorpio rising, is tall because of her dad, blond/sandy hair because of her dad, (he is caucasian), very fair skin, with hazel/green eyes, her skin is as white as porcelain, by the way Nicole Kidman is a scorpio rising, she is tall and fair too, not that I am comparing my daughter to Kidman, I am trying to make a point that ascendant signs have nothing to do with the way one looks, this department belongs to pure GENETICS and ancestary / lineage.

I really do not see the practicality or logic to look at ascendant signs to determine how someone looks, the more I research genetics, the more, I become dubious about the whole ascendant signs and features / looks concept.

Now in terms of personality...well, I can see to some extent how that would / can influence one's personality, but life's experiences plays a major part in that concept.

Am I tough and hard to know, sacarstic, a loner, reserved, silent, intense, because of my scorpio rising, or is it because life has thrown a bunch of punches at me (mainly because of the choices I have made) and curve balls at me, that I am more distrustful,more prudent, tough as nails and come across that if you try and push me around, I will retaliate so god help you!

Astrology has answered alot of questions for me, and because of it, I have come to respect it and I have learnt alot from these forums.

but my inquiring mind and its inherent logic does dictate to continously question certain aspects of this science, if you want to call it that.

What I do appreciate about astrology is that you can use it as a tool to prepare yourself, to continuously be vigilant.

In december I will be having a nice little Saturn square Sun transit and it is going to sit there for the better part of 2012, I have read so much about it, that the fear I had developed in the beginning has started to wane, I am, in a matter of speaking getting my ducks in a row if it happens to be as bad as I have been reading.

I am beginning to use Astrology as a tool, prepare for the worst and be greatful for life's tender mercies.

Anyway, I am rambling now, sorry!, thank you for the thread and for listening

Moonwillow

[waybread]

Thank you!

Actually matching rising sign with physical appearance goes back to ancient times. Ptolemy in the 2nd century AD, however, noted that a rising sign would not trump ethnicity.

I think rising sign does have a lot to do with one's outward personality; and indirectly this might affect one's physical appearance. However, my adult daughter is visiting me just now, and everyone says how much alike we look, even though our rising signs are different.