Astrological Rising Signs and Standards

[AriScoPis87]

Okay so question, when it comes to men, which rising sign has a tendency to have double standards for women and also trust issues as well for women?

So be honest, I'm trying to use it for reference in pin pointing (finally!) after two years who someone's rising sign is... The guy is a Pisces w/ a Gemini Moon if anyone is wondering.

[waybread]

I don't think you can get there from here.

Women in a man's chart would be primarily represented by the Moon and Venus.

Then it isn't the rising sign that would be so important, but its opposite sign, the one on the 7th house cusp (DS, house of marriage or other long term relationships.) Trust itself is ruled by Jupiter.

I am not sure what you mean by "double standards for women," as the old double standard meant that society pretty much enforced different codes of acceptable behaviours for men and women. He may just be old-fashioned, rather than unusual in some individual way.

The rising sign is one's outward personality and body.

[AriScoPis87]

......................

[AriScoPis87]

......................

[miquar]

I agree with waybread and skilcoil.

Also, if by double standards you mean duplicity, then look no further than Gemini and Pisces as signs that are more likely than perhaps any others to behave this way (not that all Pisces/Gemini types are like this by any means)

Trust is an issue that needs the whole chart looked at. Men with Gemini Moon may avoid intimacy on a feeling level but this tends to be more to do with an instinctive defense against the 'messy, binding and chaotic' world of feelings. But lack of trust isn't inherent in Moon in Gemini without aspects (especially hard aspects) from say Saturn, Chiron or Pluto. Or it could be reflected in a part of the chart that doesn't involve the Moon at all.

[AriScoPis87]

......................

[miquar]

You might be better to look at the chart for noon on the day of his birth and see what aspects the Moon was making at different times during the day. If there was a hard aspect to the Moon that suggests lack of trust then that could help, but really I think you will never really know for sure the rising sign because there are so many ways things like mistrust can be reflected in a chart.

You could also think about any famous people who he resembles, whose chart is on the internet at astro.com or somewhere. If there is a sign strong in his family and isn't anywhere else in his chart, that might also be his rising sign.

Howard Sasportas described the rising sign as how we break out of our shell into any new chapter in life. Meticulously for Virgo, hesitantly for Cancer, etc..

One other thing. If you try a rising sign that seems to fit see if the planets and signs that fall in the 4th and 10th houses describe the parents. The 10th I feel is usually the mother, and can reflect her unlived ambitions as often as her outward behaviour. The 4th house I have generally found to faithfully reflect a person's experience of the father. Obviously these factors have to looked at together with the Sun and Moon.

But you can really ties yourself up in knots with this stuff. You're not even looking for just the rising sign. You're looking for the rising sign of someone whose ruler of that sign is in a particular sign. So if he has Mercury in Leo and Sun in Virgo, then there is less distinction between how he would be with Leo or Virgo rising because of that mutual reception.

But anyway, good luck!

[miquar]

Originally Posted by AriScoPis87

...till I remember to ask him what his time of birth is.

I think our last posts crossed.

It seems there could be an easier way out of this if you just ask him his time of birth!

[astrologer50]

Originally Posted by AriScoPis87

Okay so question, when it comes to men, which rising sign has a tendency to have double standards for women and also trust issues as well for women?

So be honest, I'm trying to use it for reference in pin pointing (finally!) after two years who someone's rising sign is... The guy is a Pisces w/ a Gemini Moon if anyone is wondering.

being mutable on the angles, plus mutuable moons *can* suggests double standards, even loving to women at the same time espec gemini.

we have plenty of threads researching Ascendant signs and how to rectify a person's chart. Just use our search feature...

[waybread]

AriSco, if you re-read your OP, it doesn't sound like you have a lot of respect for this man--you've described him as holding "double standards" and being untrusting with regard to women. Why even bother with his chart, under the circumstances?

Rising signs are really difficult to intuit, IMO, even if they were relevant to your underlying questions. A lot of the material out there confuses astrology with genetics. People's solar or lunar natures, aspects to the ascendant, or first house planets can make it very difficult to know what you're seeing. A false birth time can create some eroneous impressions.

It's best just to learn to read charts without houses if you do not have a correct birth time. With a default noon time, just realize that the moon may move backward or forward by 6 degrees during a 24-hour day.

[AriScoPis87]

......................

[AriScoPis87]

......................

[waybread]

You might enjoy this site: www.astrofaces.com .

But I mistrust your motives. When you say you want to figure out "out a deeper dark root core to his behavior"--it seems that you are deeply prejudiced against this man, and merely want validation for your belief that he is not OK the way he is.

I suppose I am as guilty of it as the next person, but I feel it is a misuse of astrology to deploy a chart in order to validate what you already criticize in someone. Did you ask for this man's permission to post about him here?

Suppose this man is as you say. If anything, a horoscope reading should engender some compassion for whatever inner demons he must confront. Moreover, you are not his therapist. If your BF values this man's friendship, you may drive an unwanted wedge in it.

Most facial features are a product of genetics, not rising sign. You are better off guessing the rising sign on the basis of personality; but again, these can be confounded by other chart factors.

For the longest time I didn't know my birth time. A professional astrologer guessed my rising sign as Leo, based on my appearance. When I finally got a correct birth time, it turned out to be Virgo. But I don't look Virgo-esque, thanks to Uranus squaring my ascendant.

Also, people will often have a planet or stellium in their first house in a sign other than their rising sign (in an unequal house system.) This can throw off a reading. For example, Neptune in the first is a real shape-shifter. The person can easily appear as whatever s/he thinks will be most acceptable to others. Pluto in the first can give off Scorpionic vibes, even if Scorpio is nowhere in sight.

[miquar]

Originally Posted by AriScoPis87

he is my boyfriends best friend, so I have to tolerate him

It could be that the answers you are looking for are in your own chart. Moon in Scorpio doesn't do so well in triangles generally.

[AriScoPis87]

......................

[AriScoPis87]

......................

[Ruka_5]

Originally Posted by waybread

You might enjoy this site: www.astrofaces.com .

But I mistrust your motives. When you say you want to figure out "out a deeper dark root core to his behavior"--it seems that you are deeply prejudiced against this man, and merely want validation for your belief that he is not OK the way he is.

I suppose I am as guilty of it as the next person, but I feel it is a misuse of astrology to deploy a chart in order to validate what you already criticize in someone. Did you ask for this man's permission to post about him here?

Suppose this man is as you say. If anything, a horoscope reading should engender some compassion for whatever inner demons he must confront. Moreover, you are not his therapist. If your BF values this man's friendship, you may drive an unwanted wedge in it.

Most facial features are a product of genetics, not rising sign. You are better off guessing the rising sign on the basis of personality; but again, these can be confounded by other chart factors.

For the longest time I didn't know my birth time. A professional astrologer guessed my rising sign as Leo, based on my appearance. When I finally got a correct birth time, it turned out to be Virgo. But I don't look Virgo-esque, thanks to Uranus squaring my ascendant.

Also, people will often have a planet or stellium in their first house in a sign other than their rising sign (in an unequal house system.) This can throw off a reading. For example, Neptune in the first is a real shape-shifter. The person can easily appear as whatever s/he thinks will be most acceptable to others. Pluto in the first can give off Scorpionic vibes, even if Scorpio is nowhere in sight.

Best post I've ever seen here.

[AriScoPis87]

......................

[waybread]

Thank you, Ruka!

AriSco, I am beginning to see some of the problem.

First of all, this astrology forum is not a social networking site. There is a general chat board and space for people to post pictures and friends' lists on their personal page; but the purpose of this forum is to promote the knowledge of astrology. This is what I have done.

If you don't like the information I have posted,-- well, such is life. If I think you are on the wrong track, it is only honest of me to say so.

I have no interest in blogs or social networking sites that basically have people gossiping about one another.

I could go further, and follow up on a point raised by miquar. Oftentimes when a poster has an issue with somebody else, you have to look at the poster's chart as much as at the chart of the disliked person. Better yet, look at their synastry. It would be interesting for you to do the synastry between yourself and your BF's best friend!

Your statement about the appearance of women with Virgo rising actually validates my points, above. No, I don't have "almond eyes" and my face is more round than oval. As I said above, a professional astrologer once guessed my rising sign as Leo based upon my appearance--incorrectly.

Ditto with your point about moon in Scorpio people with "piercing eyes". Since the first house supposedly shows one's embodiment, your example exactly validates my point that other positions in the chart can "over-rule" one's rising sign. I think the moon is notably a planet with this effect. In traditional astrology, for this reason it was seen as a strong indicator of one's nature.

Feelings will get you a certain distance in astrology. Ours is an intuitive art; but it is actually ruled by Mercury (traditional) and Uranus (modern)--and as such is a more mental pursuit.

Every sign has both good and negative potentials. I could look at your chart placements and infer some negative things about you from them, but where does that get us? What I would like to see in your posts is some acknowledgement of this man's humanity, vs. the notion that if you could guess his rising sign, you could better delineate why you dislike him.

I've been studying astrology for 20 years; and human nature for much longer than that. This doesn't necessarily make me an expert, but it may give me a longer record of experience.

[waybread]

AriSco, sorry to correct you once more, but synastry doesn't go by whether two people's rising signs are opposite. You need to look at the degrees, to determine whether the ascendants are in-orb, not to mention pairings between their suns, moons, Mercuries, and other planets of relevance to their relationship.

A good book that you might find helpful, as it includes the DS as well as the ASC is: Jodie Forrest, The Ascendant. A very wise and funny book.

[AriScoPis87]

......................

[waybread]

AriScoP, Astrology is neither masculine nor feminine. Mercury, the planet that rules writing, is androgynous! I am in my early 60s, BTW, so I have had plenty of feedback on my writing over the years. I think you are the first person who said that I have a "masculine" style, whatever that might mean. But no problem!

Speaking of Mercury, I do read what people write. If you say a man has a double standard, issues with women, "I have to tolerate him," that he has "a deeper dark root core to his behavior," and you repeat unflattering gossip about him, those are not marks of respect.

I think it is important to distinguish between the rising sign, sun sign, and other planets in signs. I have Virgo rising, but no personal planets in that sign. I do not have an oval face, almond eyes, or any digestive problems with particular foods. Probably I am a workaholic, but so are many people with no Virgo in their charts whatsoever; and one of my Virgo sun children fits that definition but the other does not. Must be her Libra rising.

Any book billed as The Only Astrology Book You'll Ever Need was either titled by the author's publicist, or is badly mistaken.

[wilsontc]

All,

Please keep these discussions civil and respectful of others. Focus on the astrological issues, NOT on the person who is posting. Not every astrologer is going to give you the answer you want: when you ask for someone's opinion and you get it, do NOT attack them for that opinion. If you make any more non-astrological, attacking posts, I will delete those posts.

Back to civility,

Tim

[Ruka_5]

Originally Posted by AriScoPis87

[deleted attacking comments - Moderator]

And here is why. I was going to post about all 12 signs, but felt that was going over board in showing examples of that came from my own life of the last 24 years.

But I'll share Virgo with you:

"Virgo is the only sign I know that doesn't stop working, next to Capricorn. I know that one of my best friends, even when she was 8 months pregnant, couldn't stop working! She was even doing stuff the day of her wedding! That's what gives them away. They may complain about working, but they can't help themselves to keep going. They are the only types that no matter what, won't quit unless they literally are going to get hurt (ie - loose their hand or head). This is why in the military you find a lot of good soldiers with strong virgo in their chart. I also know that these types are very smart, but also think their way is the right way on something they know like the back of their hand, unless you can prove it 100%, they will go into the details you missed and show you WHY it won't work. I've had countless banter with my best friend and she always goes in for the details. Oh and these types, have a very oval shaped face. This is the one thing that always gets me: they also tend to have one thing in particular, food wise, that never sits well with them, ever. Virgos are cursed with some affliction to food in some way with their digestion all the time."


And here, right next to me is my book of which states:

"As a Rising-Virgo person, you tend to have a gentle, oval face, eyes that sweep around a room and take in everything, and a body that gives the impression of frailty but is actually very strong."
- The Only Astrology Book You'll Ever Need by Joanna Martine Woolfolk (pg.229)

My younger sister is a Virgo rising, looks nothing like that and doesn't have an oval face, and seems to have an iron stomach because I almost never hear her complain about it after she's eaten.

[AriScoPis87]

...................