The future cant be predicted at all. (for newbies)

[virgo18]

As all of us at some point of our life, and at the beginning of our astrology studies, we believed that the future can be known using horaries, vedic interpretations, transits, solar returns, and even the natal chart.
Maybe some of you will disagree and call me stupid but, I really think at this time that the future can't be predicted. Neither horary or Vedic astrology.
Have your Horary questions/answers came totally true?
I noticed that the questions I asked in the past, didn't came true practically.... but maybe in a subtle level that maybe I didn't noticed the realization. Neither predictions of Solar Returns, Natal, or Transits.
I have some faith in Horary to tell us how things are "AT THIS MOMENT".... but I don't find it very practical to tell future basing me on my own experience. And to Natal astrology I don't think its useful to predict with dates.
Since ancient times was known that no human can predict the future. For most intelligent or spiritual... It is something that can't be predicted.

How much of your predictions, horary questions, natal questions came completely true?

1. - The Natal Chart show us how "WE ARE INWARDLY" and how that personality incline us to do and choose certain things in specific. (Not what we are destined to do).... The "natal aspects" cant be modified. Is our psychology. Like a blueprint of our personality like Astrologer50 say constantly.
   
   
2. - The Solar Return is quite similar but more lightly, because god give us a chance to show different styles of our personalities each year. Solar returns can be used to see possible events of the year. How the SR planets are aspected with our Natal Planets which somewhat modify our personality and incline us to do certain things according to that "temporary" inclination. (We can choose to take other path)
   
3. - Transits and progressions are the same, the aspects that they form with our natal planets will modify temporarily our personality and they will incline us to act in an specific way to get a possible result (the prediction). But we are free to choose another path. If you didn't like the prediction of the astrologer, you must get more into astrology to analyze the transits and act in another way to don't get that result.
   
4. - Horary astrology (in my own experience) tell us how are things "at this moment". Not what will happen to us or when. This because: If you ask "Will bobby marry me?" And you get a YES... Its because at that moment the energies of how both are acting to each other are pointing a yes. Maybe the next month someone changes its opinion and everything will fall.
   If you like your YES, and things keep stable as they are right now, then that marriage its possible. You can transform YES to NO, and vice versa! (You are owner of your life)
   If the chart says "Bobby doesn't want anything serious", and you want to keep trying with him... Then keep trying! Its possible that some day you will be surprised with your wish came true. Or maybe you will meet someone new and forget about Bobby. All things are possible!

[twelthnight]

I love the tone and pragmatism of your post, and I do agree that you cannot rely on astrology to chart a course for your life (how pliable and grasping would you have to be?!) but, actually, that is kind of the most intersting angle on astrology for me when looking at a natal. I kind of disregard or am uninterested in how a natal describes the personality. I like to look at what are the life potentials....how likely are they to play out and when. What kind of life is the natal likely to reveal, you know? I don't think you can really know, but it is fun to observe and take note of how these things play out...

[tikana]

Originally Posted by virgo18

Have your Horary questions/answers came totally true?
I noticed that the questions I asked in the past, didn't came true practically.... but maybe in a subtle level that maybe I didn't noticed the realization. Neither predictions of Solar Returns, Natal, or Transits.
I have some faith in Horary to tell us how things are "AT THIS MOMENT".... but I don't find it very practical to tell future basing me on my own experience. And to Natal astrology I don't think its useful to predict with dates.
Since ancient times was known that no human can predict the future. For most intelligent or spiritual... It is something that can't be predicted.

How much of your predictions, horary questions, natal questions came completely true?

1. - Horary astrology (in my own experience) tell us how are things "at this moment". Not what will happen to us or when. This because: If you ask "Will bobby marry me?" And you get a YES... Its because at that moment the energies of how both are acting to each other are pointing a yes. Maybe the next month someone changes its opinion and everything will fall.

1. If you like your YES, and things keep stable as they are right now, then that marriage its possible. You can transform YES to NO, and vice versa! (You are owner of your life)
   If the chart says "Bobby doesn't want anything serious", and you want to keep trying with him... Then keep trying! Its possible that some day you will be surprised with your wish came true. Or maybe you will meet someone new and forget about Bobby. All things are possible!

[deleted attacking comment - Moderator]
NOO horary PREDICTS because if the person changes his/her mind it will show up in the chart.
Evasion or some other prohibition.
classic example was in horary simplified by Goldstein
when the war will be over
WW2 that is
it pointed to exact date!

[BobZemco]

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Originally Posted by virgo18

As all of us at some point of our life, and at the beginning of our astrology studies, we believed that the future can be known using horaries, vedic interpretations, transits, solar returns, and even the natal chart. Maybe some of you will disagree and call me stupid but, I really think at this time that the future can't be predicted. Neither horary or Vedic astrology.

That's because you're a novice. You still don't understand the Signs, Planets or Houses.

Originally Posted by virgo18

Have your Horary questions/answers came totally true? I noticed that the questions I asked in the past, didn't came true practically.

Then they didn't come true.

Originally Posted by virgo18

Neither predictions of Solar Returns, Natal, or Transits.

That's because you're a novice and don't know what you're doing.

You make the same mistake that nearly all beginners make. You don't fully learn the meanings of the Houses, you don't fully learn the meanings of the Planets, you don't fully learn the meanings of the Signs, you don't know when it comes to interpreting aspects precisely because you ignore the Houses/Signs because you never learned what they mean.

If you can't interpret a Natal Chart, then there is no possible way you could ever use predictive techniques.

Originally Posted by virgo18

I have some faith in Horary to tell us how things are "AT THIS MOMENT".... but I don't find it very practical to tell future basing me on my own experience.

You can't tell the difference between a Planet Exalted and Planet in Fall, you don't understand Reception, you don't even know what Triplicity Rulers are, so how could you possibly interpret an Horary Chart?

You don't even know what an Hour Ruler is. You don't follow the rules.

If you have a problem with rules, then Astrology is NOT for you, especially Traditional Astrology and any predictive technique based on Traditional Astrology.

There are rules, and the MUST be followed and there are no exceptions.

Originally Posted by virgo18

And to Natal astrology I don't think its useful to predict with dates.

Natal Astrology is not about predicting.

Originally Posted by virgo18

Since ancient times was known that no human can predict the future. For most intelligent or spiritual... It is something that can't be predicted.

And how many ancient works have your read?

You've never read any ancient works so you have no idea what they thought. You can predict the future and quite accurately. I do it all the time. I just don't do it on this forum.

Originally Posted by virgo18

How much of your predictions, horary questions, natal questions came completely true?

- The Natal Chart show us how "WE ARE INWARDLY" and how that personality incline us to do and choose certain things in specific. (Not what we are destined to do).... The "natal aspects" cant be modified. Is our psychology. Like a blueprint of our personality like Astrologer50 say constantly.

It is your destiny, like it or not. The Natal Chart shows what is promised in your life; predictive techniques are used to determine when those promises are fulfilled.

The fact that you use the wrong predictive techniques and the techniques that you do use are employed incorrectly, does not alter the facts.

Originally Posted by virgo18

- The Solar Return is quite similar but more lightly, because god give us a chance to show different styles of our personalities each year. Solar returns can be used to see possible events of the year. How the SR planets are aspected with our Natal Planets which somewhat modify our personality and incline us to do certain things according to that "temporary" inclination. (We can choose to take other path)

That would be an excellent example of the incorrect use of a Solar Return Chart.

And no, you are not free to choose another path. If you were free to choose another path, then there would be no point in looking at Solar Returns or Transits or any other technique, yet when you look at someone's past using predictive techniques, you know exactly what happened, because it's all spelled out. you did what you did because you were compelled to do so, not because you had a choice.

Originally Posted by virgo18

Horary astrology (in my own experience) tell us how are things "at this moment". Not what will happen to us or when. This because: If you ask "Will bobby marry me?" And you get a YES... Its because at that moment the energies of how both are acting to each other are pointing a yes. Maybe the next month someone changes its opinion and everything will fall.

That would be incorrect.

There are rules to Horary, and one of the rules is that you cannot ask the same Question repeatedly.

You must also confirm that the Hour Ruler is in agreement with the Ascendant, or the chart is invalid and cannot be read. Many of your charts are invalid because the Hour Ruler is not in agreement, because you abuse Horary.

You never checked the Hour Ruler

Originally Posted by virgo18

If you like your YES, and things keep stable as they are right now, then that marriage its possible. You can transform YES to NO, and vice versa! (You are owner of your life)
If the chart says "Bobby doesn't want anything serious", and you want to keep trying with him... Then keep trying! Its possible that some day you will be surprised with your wish came true. Or maybe you will meet someone new and forget about Bobby. All things are possible!

Again, you have contradicted and refuted your own claims.

When I read an Horary from a paying client, I spend 2-6 hours on the chart.

Here on this forum, I spend 3-7 minutes on a chart, sometimes a little longer if the chart is interesting or there are unusual features to the chart or if I deem the matter to be important to other people and sometimes longer if I believe the matter is important to the person who posted the chart.

I don't have the time to spend 2-6 Hours on everyone's chart, so I just point out the highlights or oddities in the chart. The Art of Horary is not simply judging "Yes/No" it's explaining why a "Yes" is so and why a "No" is not.

It's up to you to learn.

[tee_jay66]

Yes I agree.

I have studied into horary but not deeply because Im always confused about the answers which is why I post my charts on here and always receive replies which contradict each other.

My passion is natal astrology, delving into personality traits and the gifts we carry with us.

We all have free will and each can change our destiny. The gods can offer us the tools but we can choose to put the tools down and do something else

[virgo18]

Originally Posted by twelthnight

I love the tone and pragmatism of your post, and I do agree that you cannot rely on astrology to chart a course for your life (how pliable and grasping would you have to be?!) but, actually, that is kind of the most intersting angle on astrology for me when looking at a natal. I kind of disregard or am uninterested in how a natal describes the personality. I like to look at what are the life potentials....how likely are they to play out and when. What kind of life is the natal likely to reveal, you know? I don't think you can really know, but it is fun to observe and take note of how these things play out...

Yes its useful to know people's personality and what we are inclined to achieve regarding to our personality.

I recommend you to watch Zeitgesit videos, and there you will find the stuff I am trying to communicate.

Astrology is a powerful tool. But it cant be used to tell the future at all. And I am surprised that good astrologers say the opposite.

[virgo18]

Originally Posted by Skillcoil

Hey virgo18, welcome back.

I agree with most of your thread except the part where you said natal aspects can't be modified. I believe they could be, it takes a lot of effort though.

Yes maybe pressuring your self until things come naturally... you are right.
Anything its possible in Astrology.... that's why I am into it.

And I agree that I change my mind often, but I am 21 and you will know it because you are of my same age.

[astrologer50]

What Astrology Can and Can Not Do
http://www.ofspirit.com/susanmiller1.htm
http://www.cafeastrology.com/articles/whatastrologycandoforyou.html
http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_kdvalue_e.htm

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=234549&postcount=7
Perhaps you should read this thread entitled: astrology predicts meanings, not events
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17546&page=2

should you not like personal attacking/rude comments from members you should report them via [!] top right of post.

[virgo18]

Originally Posted by astrologer50

What Astrology Can and Can Not Do
http://www.ofspirit.com/susanmiller1.htm
http://www.cafeastrology.com/articles/whatastrologycandoforyou.html
http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_kdvalue_e.htm

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=234549&postcount=7
Perhaps you should read this thread entitled: astrology predicts meanings, not events
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17546&page=2

I based my self on that threads... I already read them

Thank you A50

[tikana]

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look at the horary board

look for horaries with outcome.

[tikana]

Originally Posted by Skillcoil

A50, a while ago you pretty much said my career potential wasn't good because of difficult aspects. For a modern astrologer your interpretation of my chart was negative (something you've called out traditionalists for). Do you still believe astrology limits some of us because of difficult aspects?

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negative aspects dont always mean negative things.
depending on strengh of the planets and the house where they are making such stressful aspect from will affect a chart greatly

[wilsontc]

All,

Strong opinions are OK, but not when they are targeted at attacking people personally. Focus on the issue NOT on the people. If you feel the urge to say something nasty about the poster or feel the urge to criticize them personally for their opinions...don't post on the thread.

Back to the issues,

Tim

[Munch]

Welcome back Virgo.

It sounds like more than anything, you are clarifying what astrology means to you and this is wonderful. Good for you for taking time to sort out what works for you, and what doesn't.

[Geminied]

Originally Posted by virgo18

As all of us at some point of our life, and at the beginning of our astrology studies, we believed that the future can be known using horaries, vedic interpretations, transits, solar returns, and even the natal chart.
Maybe some of you will disagree and call me stupid but, I really think at this time that the future can't be predicted. Neither horary or Vedic astrology.
Have your Horary questions/answers came totally true?
I noticed that the questions I asked in the past, didn't came true practically.... but maybe in a subtle level that maybe I didn't noticed the realization. Neither predictions of Solar Returns, Natal, or Transits.
I have some faith in Horary to tell us how things are "AT THIS MOMENT".... but I don't find it very practical to tell future basing me on my own experience. And to Natal astrology I don't think its useful to predict with dates.
Since ancient times was known that no human can predict the future. For most intelligent or spiritual... It is something that can't be predicted.

How much of your predictions, horary questions, natal questions came completely true?

1. - The Natal Chart show us how "WE ARE INWARDLY" and how that personality incline us to do and choose certain things in specific. (Not what we are destined to do).... The "natal aspects" cant be modified. Is our psychology. Like a blueprint of our personality like Astrologer50 say constantly.
   
   
2. - The Solar Return is quite similar but more lightly, because god give us a chance to show different styles of our personalities each year. Solar returns can be used to see possible events of the year. How the SR planets are aspected with our Natal Planets which somewhat modify our personality and incline us to do certain things according to that "temporary" inclination. (We can choose to take other path)
   
3. - Transits and progressions are the same, the aspects that they form with our natal planets will modify temporarily our personality and they will incline us to act in an specific way to get a possible result (the prediction). But we are free to choose another path. If you didn't like the prediction of the astrologer, you must get more into astrology to analyze the transits and act in another way to don't get that result.
   
4. - Horary astrology (in my own experience) tell us how are things "at this moment". Not what will happen to us or when. This because: If you ask "Will bobby marry me?" And you get a YES... Its because at that moment the energies of how both are acting to each other are pointing a yes. Maybe the next month someone changes its opinion and everything will fall.
   If you like your YES, and things keep stable as they are right now, then that marriage its possible. You can transform YES to NO, and vice versa! (You are owner of your life)
   If the chart says "Bobby doesn't want anything serious", and you want to keep trying with him... Then keep trying! Its possible that some day you will be surprised with your wish came true. Or maybe you will meet someone new and forget about Bobby. All things are possible!

I agree to some extent. I believe astrology shows a person's potential more than anything-what path they are likely to head towards.

[tikana]

Originally Posted by wilsontc

All,

Strong opinions are OK, but not when they are targeted at attacking people personally. Focus on the issue NOT on the people. If you feel the urge to say something nasty about the poster or feel the urge to criticize them personally for their opinions...don't post on the thread.

Back to the issues,

Tim

opinion and fact 2 different issues. misguided astro knowledge is quite visible here esp in horary section

obviously Virgo hasnt read any of the horary books
you can see that in his/her horary threads

[virgo18]

Originally Posted by tikana

opinion and fact 2 different issues. misguided astro knowledge is quite visible here esp in horary section

obviously Virgo hasnt read any of the horary books
you can see that in his/her horary threads

1. Im a woman

2. You are misunderstanding a little bit of what I am trying to say: I never presumed to know about horary astrology. I don't even know about half of the basics of that frame. I asked more questions that what I have answered in that section. And sorry to tell you, but None of the predictions that I received from experts came true..... I thank some horary experts in the forum who helped me in a civilized way without using harsh words, and also uncivilized ones who used them.
But really I dont know why their predictions didn't came true. Even of the first horary charts I asked. (This is my own experience... if the predictions of other members came true... then that's good or bad for them!... but for me they didn't.) That's why I am not interested to read books about horary... I don't find it useful and interesting for me. They failed. The only thing I have to accept, its that they are useful to tell me how things are right now. But unfortunately for some of horary experts, my predictions changed, because of me, because of the quested... anyways

3. As I am reading about natal astrology I made a poll with people of my place who went or go with professional astrologers to get a reading (natal, horary, and solar returns). I asked if their predictions came true. And 5 of 20, came true. 5 of them were sure that their predictions came totally true and 15 of them told me that they never came true. But the descriptions about their personalities were more that fairly accurate. But not the predictions at all.

4. The police of some countries use Astrology to know better the delinquents they are treating, to get more information about their psychology and their weak points, and then make them tell much things about them selves. But they use it only to know about psychology.

[tikana]

Soo... Virgo ... you are here just to get free horary readings?? as far as i can know this is a learning forum

Most ppl here are students. We DONT have experts here, we have veterans here who actually grind horary books. Horary is NOT wrong it is the asked questions phrased wrong like your question will he go back to his ex? I would not touch that chart with 10 foot pole because A. you are not asking what is in your heart.. which is "will he come back to me?" or will i date him? whichever situiation it is. That is what BobZemco was saying if the chart is not radical you will likely get a confusing answer. If the chart is not talking, toss the chart. We have had charts here not yours where we had different ppl lookign at the same time and deriving at different conclusions and we battled "you are wrong, i am right" and vice versa.. if the person updates the forum, we go back and look where we made an error. if the chart is read wrong, usually if the querent asks what did we miss, usually we go back and look at it.. at least i do..and i know a few others do the same..

[dr. farr]

Weather forecasters use a collection of data and analyze it and arrive at a weather "prediction"-doctors use a collection of data about a case and arrive at a prognosis; neither of these are fortune-telling. Astrologers, using collections of data (astro data) and applying various models of analysis, also arrive at a prognostic ("prediction"), which, depending upon the quality of the astro-data and the expertise of the artist-will prove to be accurate: but I do not consider this fortune-telling, I consider it obtaining insight from the Cosmos into the direction of trends which will almost always prove to evntuate in reality exactly as discerned by the expert artist.
Yet I also believe that with knowledge and Will, and AWARENESS of those trends, an individual CAN take actions to change the direction of (many) of those trends.

I have conclusively demonstrated (to myself over the decades) that natal, event, medical and horary astrological analysis, as well as Tarot and I Ching methods, can and do identify and explain those Cosmic trends/directions, with uncanny accuracy, and with correct outcomes far in excess of chance expectation. But to me this is no more "fortune-telling" than weather forecasting or medical prognostics are, in their respective fields of endeavor.

[virgo18]

Originally Posted by tikana

Soo... Virgo ... you are here just to get free horary readings?? as far as i can know this is a learning forum What is your basis to get that conclusion? When I enter to the forum I didn't knew the existence of horary astrology

Most ppl here are students. We DONT have experts here, we have veterans here who actually grind horary books. Horary is NOT wrong it is the asked questions phrased wrong like your question will he go back to his ex? I would not touch that chart with 10 foot pole because A. you are not asking what is in your heart.. which is "will he come back to me?" or will i date him? whichever situiation it is. That is what BobZemco was saying if the chart is not radical you will likely get a confusing answer. If the chart is not talking, toss the chart. We have had charts here not yours where we had different ppl lookign at the same time and deriving at different conclusions and we battled "you are wrong, i am right" and vice versa.. if the person updates the forum, we go back and look where we made an error. if the chart is read wrong, usually if the querent asks what did we miss, usually we go back and look at it.. at least i do..and i know a few others do the same..

I understood this last text... so thanks I commit the mistake that most newbies make when they discover Horary which is asking much things. So that's normal... no one is born knowing ¿or yes?. But I learned that astrology is not radical... it cant be. In none of its frames, it will be if it were an objective science. Astrology its subjective and you may know that better than me

[tikana]

Originally Posted by virgo18

I understood this last text... so thanks I commit the mistake that most newbies make when they discover Horary which is asking much things. So that's normal... no one is born knowing ¿or yes?. But I learned that astrology is not radical... it cant be. In none of its frames, it will be if it were an objective science. Astrology its subjective and you may know that better than me

your own quote "But really I dont know why their predictions didn't came true. Even of the first horary charts I asked. (This is my own experience... if the predictions of other members came true... then that's good or bad for them!... but for me they didn't.) That's why I am not interested to read books about horary..." We covered this in the stickies and online tutorials from different sites how to ask a question and what to ask.
that is why i put in a policy .. if one doesnt willing to learn and read the books, i wont read their charts. Take Didi as an example.. when she came in she didnt know horary at all. She learned from known answers, read CA probably and tries her hard to read her own charts before she knows the answer then updates. We had more ppl here who actually studied horary ebfore me.. they are long gone but that is how you supposed to learn. it took me about 2 years to get it where i can say i am comfortable.

horary it is either yes or no .. it is fixed answer ... real life and horary should match up and it does. Rerunning a question wont do you any good and i think that is what Bob was saying i have no time go through entire horary board and look for your horaries. Most ppl read horary books 8 months to 1 year if not more to figure it out and STILL have questions and get the charts wrong. Horary isnt wrong.. astrologer is. there are 2 ways of looking .. MODERN or traditional if you look at the chart from both schools separately you should get a right and same answer. Look at Neptune Rising's charts she updates pretty much all her charts.

[tikana]

Originally Posted by Skillcoil

I didn't say "negative aspects always mean negative things". There are different perspectives on astrology, and a shouting match about this is pointless.

??? my comment was a reply to your statement "A50, a while ago you pretty much said my career potential wasn't good because of difficult aspects. For a modern astrologer your interpretation of my chart was negative (something you've called out traditionalists for)."

no one is shouting btw... "There are different perspectives on astrology' really? where did you read that from, may i ask? astrology is it is either yes / good or no/ no good. it is black or white, there is no grey zone.

[Skillcoil]

Originally Posted by tikana

??? my comment was a reply to your statement "A50, a while ago you pretty much said my career potential wasn't good because of difficult aspects. For a modern astrologer your interpretation of my chart was negative (something you've called out traditionalists for)."

no one is shouting btw... "There are different perspectives on astrology' really? where did you read that from, may i ask? astrology is it is either yes / good or no/ no good. it is black or white, there is no grey zone.

Different perspectives on astrology such as Modern, Vedic, Traditional, etc. There might as well be shouting, most of this forum consists of "I'm right, you're wrong!". It would have been nice if there was an atmosphere ideal for discussions about all types of astrology, but conflict and ego prevent that.

I don't plan to get caught up in another arguement so I'm not discussing this anymore.

[tikana]

Originally Posted by Skillcoil

Different perspectives on astrology such as Modern, Vedic, Traditional, etc. There might as well be shouting, most of this forum consists of "I'm right, you're wrong!". It would have been nice if there was an atmosphere ideal for discussions about all types of astrology, but conflict and ego prevent that.

I don't plan to get caught up in another arguement so I'm not discussing this anymore.

that is not perspctive..those are different schools. All valid if read right

[Mark]

Getting back to the point of the thread, have we decided exactly how we're treating the word "prediction" here? As dr. farr pointed out (though in different words), there are certain things we can know because we live in a predictable Universe. A chemist can know that when two particular substances are exposed to each other, the reaction between them will be consistent 100% of the time with no exceptions whatsoever. Have you ever seen sulfuric acid and sugar NOT yield carbon? Have you ever heated a pot of water on the stove and seen it freeze instead? In fact, our very lives depend on the predictability of the world around us. We wouldn't be here to talk about it if the Universe was not ultimately predictable.

Everything that we know as matter and energy will always act in the same way when put in the same circumstances. The study of this is called physics. The "catch" comes when we start basing our predictions on assumptions, rather than facts. Any decent philosopher or logician will tell you that humans operate in both inductive and deductive ways. Deduction is useful for physics, mathematics, and other purely predictable things. Most of our lives, however, are spent guessing in some way. An old philosophical example (one of my favourites) is the sunrise. Do we know for a fact that the Sun will rise tomorrow? It always has before, so it seems likely that it will, but do we KNOW that it will? This is the point where you have to ask: does knowledge require certainty?

If you must be certain of something in order to know it, then we know nothing other than science. That means, however, that we do NOT know that the Sun will rise tomorrow. We're inferring that it will. If knowledge doesn't require certainty, though, how sure can we be of any of our knowledge? Epistomology is fun!

When looking with these eyes, it becomes apparent that we don't know most things. You don't know what will happen on your ride to work tomorrow. You don't know what you'll read in a forum post before you've read it. You don't know when or how your family or friends will get sick or be injured. What's even more fun: if you can't tell whether or not knowledge requires certainty, how could you know whether or not your spouse is cheating on you? What do you KNOW really?

At any rate, I believe the problem comes from the common human need to have a cut and dry way of analysing everything quickly. A concerned psychologist would use this opportunity to talk about cognitive shortcuts (convenient assumptions) that wreak havoc on the average person's world perspective, leading to all kinds of incorrect conclusions. If we base our predictions on nothing but observable facts, we can have 100% accurate predictions. That also means that we will have very few predictions. When we start to base predictions on unknowns and assumptions, then we must start qualifying our statements with "probably," "might," "possibly," or some calculation of how accurate or inaccurate we likely are.

The bottom line is that most people are more concerned with looking right than being right. If you want to look right, you try to justify yourself (as if being wrong AND justified makes things better). If you want to be right, then you look for ways to prove yourself wrong, the way a good scientist does. The whole ordeal is actually made much simpler by wanting to change yourself to be right more often. Perhaps making claims without solid information wasn't the best course of action to begin with!

[sethi]

Originally Posted by virgo18

As all of us at some point of our life, and at the beginning of our astrology studies, we believed that the future can be known using horaries, vedic interpretations, transits, solar returns, and even the natal chart.

Hello virgo 18.

You are an individual and of course as an individual you are perfectly in the right to have your own opinions about astrology in general.

Every one has their own experiences.

I have been doing predictive astrology since 1997, and in my family I have been quite successful too. This in turn then raises your confidence level in making prediction.

But then again please remember we are not prophets here. Nobody is saying that they can predict 100 percent. Those who can are in the line of prophets, and prophets are those people with whom god conversed.

Now as far is predictive astrology is concerned, I think that it is fairly accurate.

Where horary is concerned, I am not really sure because for nearly all of my questions, I received continuously negative remarks, and hence I have left horary. Maybe it is too difficult for me to grasp.I don't know. But I think that horary might also be a science but then again you need a good astrologer to predict using horary.


Where vedic is concerned, you must know the placement of the moon nakshatra at the time of your birth and then you can calculate events with its help.

I had noticed that for some time now, nearly all your questions were in the horary section and I think you have become disillusioned. You need a very good astrologer to answer you in horary.

My own opinion is that I have seen Mr. Farr at work and his predictions are good.

Please remember that astrologers can only tell you what they think that they see in the horoscope, and they cannot actually change destiny. Try as you might you cannot change destiny by getting a good astrology report.

I think that what every girl wants is the under mentioned:

• A rich person / husband.
• Caring and feeling for you.
• Coming home after work and still helping you in cooking and doing the dishes.
• Driving a fantastic car.
• Being faithful, not looking at other women.
• Not stingy, willing to spend money on you to splurge on new cloths etc on your whim and fantasy.
• Very good in “deep intimacy.
• And a lot of other points.

Most women are lucky to get a few of the above, and some are very lucky to get nearly all of the above.

But please remember that you can only clap with both hands.

Let me tell you about my friend living in California. He is an old friend of mine, but currently working in California. He married about 1 year back much to my surprise , with an American. Actually he loved the spice of life, having lunch here and there wherever there was an opportunity even after marriage. His wife never knew about his affairs.

Unfortunately one day he returned home early to find someone “having lunch” with his wife. He was so shocked, that he silently left his apartment., and phoned me next day about it, asking me about whether I saw divorce in his chart or what.

I had seen his chart and divorce was shown, but I told him that change yourself and your wife will change too. Because she accepts you as you are , then you too should accept her as she is. Well more things on this point. And I also told him not to give her divorce.

So it has been 6 months now and they are still living together, my friend has now forgone his old habits and is faithful, but I don’t know and can’t really say about his wife. I have not met her and only seen some pictures only.

He will eventually divorce her as that what is shown in his chart and I also think that this will happen at about when T Saturn is at 24-25 degrees in libra. I think 2 or more relationship are shown and also I have my own methods of prediction.

And even though the stars were in a very bad configuration at the time (time when he found his wife to be unfaithful) but still there was no divorce. Any one else might have predicted the divorce. Maybe it was because of me the divorce did not take place?

What I wanted to say in this situation was that astrology gives basically guidance about everything, and not really actual predictions. And you should not think that you can get a cent per cent exactness in astrology.

Sometimes you are lucky and meet an astrologer who gives you timing of the events, but even those are off by one or two days because of the moons movement 2 1/4 days in each sign acting as a trigger. I mentioned in some post about my meeting with just such an astrologer. And I think that he is still alive too. But he fleeces the people making them fools etc

So Virgo 18, I think that I may have answered your question. You were looking for too much exactness, and most of the time that is impossible. When we say that so and so is being shown, we are just using our experience and we are not actually giving guarantees for it please note, and remember that this is important.

For example some astrologer told me that in the year 2009, something will happen which will have good effects on your health. And this was true, something did happen, but nothing much as regards to my health , but mostly connected with my finances.

But this still does not lessen the respect which I have for that astrologer, because I know how difficult making predictions are.

So once again there is no need to be disillusioned by astrology, just understand that it gives guidelines for different things.

I hope I have explained to you what I actually wanted to explain.

Bye for now