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07-06-2011, 06:24 AM
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Saturn conjunct the South Node
Hi! Visiting again after a long time.
I am looking at my partner's chart in anticipation of the Solar Return later this month.
In natal charts he's got a Leo NN in 7th house; it's conjunct my Jupiter so I remember  But somehow it escaped me that means his natal 1st house Saturn in Aquarius is conjunct his South Node.
I take the nodes seriously, although they have yet to completely reveal themselves to me, and the more I look at his chart the more confusing it is:
Capricorn Ascendant
Saturn in Aquarius (1st house, Rx conjunct SN, 1/10 degree from exact)
Sun in Cancer (7th house)
Moon in Capricorn (1st house, Full Moon)
What is the way out for him?
He is the most extremely responsible networker, the most dependable guy, will find anyone and everyone else a job, but will not do for self..
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07-06-2011, 09:03 AM
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Re: Saturn conjunct the South Node
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Originally Posted by Zenaida
He is the most extremely responsible networker, the most dependable guy, will find anyone and everyone else a job, but will not do for self..
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As Cap ascendant myself, I can fully relate to that. One of the lessons of one with Cap ASC is to begin to take personal responsibility, as opposed to being responsible for others. I am able to fully relate to what Jeane Avery says about Capricorn Ascendant in her book, The Rising Sign. It is quite likely that he has found in his current behaviour the kind of `niche' in which he feels `useful' and needed. The idea that he must also look after himself may not fully occur to him, since he is so occupied in looking after others. The core belief about earthly life for a person with Cap Rising is that life is hard, possibly dangerous, and that he must earn his place here.
I would say that the behaviour you describe is very typically South node conjunct Saturn, both in Aquarius. He sees his role as one in which he needs to be responsible (i.e.Saturn) for the collective/the people around him (i.e. Aquarius) and this is how he meets his own needs (i.e. 1st house) Now, you and I can both see that this is no way for him to be meeting his needs, but in the mind of a Cap Rising, being responsible for others is a form of self-expression.
And is this is not enough, he also has Moon in Capricorn!!!!!
Without an idea of his age - i.e. what side of the Saturn Return and Uranus opposition he is on - `the way out' is hard to define. Ultimately, he will find his own way through this. We all do eventually.
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07-06-2011, 11:05 AM
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Re: Saturn conjunct the South Node
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07-06-2011, 05:29 PM
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Re: Saturn conjunct the South Node
R4ven,
I agree with everything you said, there...
The Saturn connection seems to make a tight circle with the South Node because of the factors mentioned above so - I am at a loss as to how to help him out of it. It's a retrograde Saturn which is the worst to let go of, it's so internalized. I do feel it's my role as a partner to help him, so I've come here! And he's not young. (YOB 1962)
I can't very well tell him to stop taking responsibility for other people! The love and support he gives me SEEMS consistent with the 7th house Sun/NN. I think he needs to be a leader - but supporting him to get there would take some kind of financial or social wherewithal I don't have.
Unfortunately as the 7th house person... I am young, reclusive, in transition, so therefore can't really offer him what he needs in terms of the South Node in Aquarius. And being pretty scatterbrained myself, it's also hard to help him focus on himself. You'd not think a Saturnine person would have difficulties focusing, but there it is.
astrologer50 - Posting the chart. The Asteroids/Goddesses included as they feel strong and active, yet possibly complicating.
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07-06-2011, 06:14 PM
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Re: Saturn conjunct the South Node
Now see, you didn't mention Saturn was retro AND apex for Yod formation to..... why have you 'cut off' the aspect grid. If you reduce the image size down to 63% in 'image size' then download to HD then upload here 
Info on Yod’s
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/TheYod15.5.htm
http://asphodelea.com/yods.html
http://www.drstandley.com/astrologycharts_yod.shtml
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yod_(astrology)
http://realastrologers.com/?p=331
http://medicalastrologybyeileennauma...t-and-yod.html
http://thezodiac.com/yod.htm
http://medicalastrologybyeileennauman.blogspot.com/2009/03/inconjunct-aspect-and-yod.html
Saturn square neptune can easily deteriorate into depression, it's a sign of having your dreams and aspirations crushed in early childhood by father and/or authority figure.
This saturn is late first and will knock affect his confidence as much as if it were conj Asc, thankfully. Although the retrograde aspect sugggests again lack boundaries and structures from absent, missing or ineffectual father.
I have the venus saturn quincunx and for me at least I feel that father, men and/or authority figure really quite understand what brings me pleasure (venus) it also suggests restrictions and lack of affection in childhood.
mercury quincunx saturn suggests that maybe he wasn't allowed to speak when he wanted to communicate, thereby hesitating and withdrawing
T Saturn has been in libra for past year now, so he will have seen the worst of it from going over his virgoan planets...
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07-07-2011, 01:42 AM
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Re: Saturn conjunct the South Node
Zenaida, I am not sure there is anything you can do to redirect him.
As astrologer50 mentioned, his natal Saturn forms the apex to a natal Yod, and so this indicates further that he is not really tuned in to his own behaviour. In a way, his Saturn is `unowned' by him, in that he just does not see his behaviour clearly. Neptune in the 10th house perhaps further muddies his vision, perhaps driving him to helping others at his own expense.
My astrology readings always focus on the role of Chiron in a person's astro profile. He has Chiron in Pisces (a `memory' of great suffering, combined with a fear of further suffering) in the 2nd house (damaged idea of his own self-worth - perhaps he believes deep-down that he is only worthy if he aids others) conjunct Jupiter (unlikely to listen to others, because he `knows what he is doing is right') That Jupiter is opposite Pluto, so his unconscious belief is that he has to compete with everyone else in the world. This seems at odds with what he's doing.
There is much more, but I do not see - given all that Saturn/Capricorn - that you can influence him. He believes that what he is doing is `right', and his only option at present.
He has his Chiron Return imminent - it begins in around 12 months. This will direct him to re-examining his original core wounds - the purpose of the Chiron Return is removal/release of these wounds from the body and energy field. Not everyone manages to do this successfully; those who are fully invested in how their life is set up frequently ignore the drive to transform. Given his Chiron is in Pisces, he may not be able to ignore it when the time comes.
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07-07-2011, 06:18 PM
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Re: Saturn conjunct the South Node
ouch. well, lots to think about.
i've got chiron in the 8th so have inquired as gently as possible but .. he defensively denies having any father issues. well, i've got the same.
thank you both kindly.
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