Why do I appear more "firey" with almost no fire in the chart?

[xcessdenied]

Hello Everyone,
I am in the process of learning about astrology and charts, and do have at least some basic knowledge. But I am flabbergasted when I look at my own chart and then compare it against what people "tell me" or what I feel myself.
For instance, I am a capricorn with a Taurus Moon with little fire and air in the chart. Yet, everyone who meets me or knows me would tell you that I appear and behave more like a Fire sign or maybe an Aquarian. I can talk non stop for hours (but I do need a little time to get to know you before). I am extremely interested in philosophy, world religions and culture (despite being an electrical engineer). Am a perpetual traveller. I am supposedly funny, yet with a sarcastic tone. Have always been the one who would have an issue with the established norm and couldn't care less about what the world thinks (I was a difficult child to handle). I am extremely fond of "beautiful things" and luxury and "manners". Of course I am not confrontational at all, rather I get along fine with people who have views 180 from mine on everything. However, if someone drives me up the wall constantly, I do tend to lash out once and for all, and can be quite brutal and unkind + unforgiving. I am also rather aloof .. and would easily forget calling home or friends.

Also I am almost always attracted to Libran males, almost always attract Fire and Air signs (though have dated Virgos) and tend to "scare" Water types away very easily... even without meaning to. With almost every planet in Earth or Water, I cannot even understand my relationship patterns. My best partnership e.g. has been a Libran Sun with Sag moon (Mercury Venus Mars in Virgo) when all astrological pointers I knew suggested mayhem...

Okay so now that I have painted a rather not pretty picture of mine, I am unsure why am I "firey" or "headstrong". Based on my chart, what suggests that at all?


(My rising sun is either late gemini or early Cancer, birth time within 20 mins at best. I chose Gemini ascendant because I identify more with the characteristics, than for Cancer. I have mostly been told I appear either intimidating or "bright" rather than "kind" or "motherly". )

Thanks a lot!!!

[anny]

The reason why you seem so "fire" person is because of your Mercury in Sagittarius. This is the way you speak and what you are interested. All the traveling, philosophy and culture interests come from there. So your way of talking may be quite blunt and straightforward - which is typical for a fire person. And if your AC is correct then Mercury would be extra important - as being your chart ruler. You hide your real personality with your broad communication skills.

Also you have strong Aquarian traits. Because first Mercury is in cnj with Uranus - making your opinions and interests more unusual and tolerant than person with Mercury with Sagittarius would have. Plus the AC makes exact trine to Venus in Aquarius - indicating that your unusual tastes are easily noticed by others. And thirdly Venus in Aquarius is your ruler of Moon in Taurus- so your need to take care of the society is influenced by Aquarius.. so your motivation is much more society oriented and imperson than usually Moon in Taurus person would be.

[Ixaee]

Aww, that Mercury in Sag conjunct Uranus. = Unpredictable, fiery, rebellious tongue! :x

I also have Mercury in Sag and others find me very blunt and sometimes really rude. Though, I dont mean to come across that way at all. lol..

You have a really nice chart, not alot of stressful aspects going on...

[Ixaee]

PS The reason you appear intimidating is perhaps your Pluto Trine Ascendant aspect. It makes one come across as very intense, sexual and intimidating! (even when not trying to be) Though you can definitely use that to your advantage, just be grateful it isnt a square!

[astrologer50]

Originally Posted by xcessdenied

Hello Everyone,
I am in the process of learning about astrology and charts, and do have at least some basic knowledge. But I am flabbergasted when I look at my own chart and then compare it against what people "tell me" or what I feel myself.
For instance, I am a capricorn with a Taurus Moon with little fire and air in the chart. Yet, everyone who meets me or knows me would tell you that I appear and behave more like a Fire sign or maybe an Aquarian. I can talk non stop for hours (but I do need a little time to get to know you before). I am extremely interested in philosophy, world religions and culture (despite being an electrical engineer). Am a perpetual traveller [all typical Saggi Mercury traits]. I am supposedly funny, yet with a sarcastic tone. Have always been the one who would have an issue with the established norm and couldn't care less about what the world thinks (I was a difficult child to handle). I am extremely fond of "beautiful things" and luxury and "manners". Of course I am not confrontational at all, rather I get along fine with people who have views 180 from mine on everything. However, if someone drives me up the wall constantly, I do tend to lash out once and for all, and can be quite brutal and unkind + unforgiving. I am also rather aloof .. and would easily forget calling home or friends. [mercury conjunt uranus = arguementativenss, uranus square mars=too quick to act and bad tempered or accident prone]

Also I am almost always attracted to Libran males, almost always attract Fire and Air signs[Saggi/fire rules your 7th house] (though have dated Virgos) and tend to "scare" Water types away very easily... even without meaning to. With almost every planet in Earth or Water, I cannot even understand my relationship patterns. My best partnership e.g. has been a Libran Sun with Sag moon (Mercury Venus Mars in Virgo) when all astrological pointers I knew suggested mayhem...

Okay so now that I have painted a rather not pretty picture of mine, I am unsure why am I "firey" or "headstrong". Based on my chart, what suggests that at all? exalted moon in taurus opp pluto


(My rising sun is either late gemini or early Cancer, birth time within 20 mins at best. I chose Gemini ascendant because I identify more with the characteristics, than for Cancer. I have mostly been told I appear either intimidating or "bright" rather than "kind" or "motherly". )

Thanks a lot!!!

You need to resolve and research your time using solar arcs
Solar Arcs
Solar arcs are really simple, especially for beginners, just move the Angles, Asc, Desc, MC, IC 1' for each year of your life onto planets and vice versa. Not just used for rectification either. Under age 12 though these interpretations are directed towards family changes, maybe relocation, job changes, illnesses, additions to family etc. Another example is my Pluto is 28' Leo in 7th house and my Uranus is 3' Leo in same house to subtract these and you get age 25. That year my then husband and I had an almighty explosion (Uranus) and transformation (Pluto) of that marriage that started the demise and ultimate ending thereof....

Further research on solar arcs try these threads.
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12024&highlight=solar+arcs
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12958&highlight=solar+arcs
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6691&highlight=solar+arcs
http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/rectification.html
http://www.frankstar.com/solararc.htm
http://thezodiac.com/arcs.htm
http://www.donmc.com/Comparing%20Transits%20and%20Solar%20Arcs%20II.htm
http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/solar_arc_directions.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_progression
http://www.bernadettebrady.com/Pdfs/...tification.pdf

Rectification of birth time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KW0G2S2Ti4I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYMX9X2C1BQ&NR=1
· Transiting Pluto square, conj opp Asc, Desc, MC, IC
· If under 12’ when it conj an Angle then their age was under age 12 it’s parents adjustments. A death, change within father’s work, a separation, remarriage.
· Adults or teens, 1st job, identity transformation MC.
· Pluto conj Desc = death, health concerns, geographic, significant relationship or break up, but has to be ‘life transforming’
· Also try transiting Neptune, something dissolving, disappearing, confusing etc.
· Timings of transits… is it the 1st hit? More often it’s the middle retrograde hit… but could be the last direct hit also. 1’ =4minutes in time.


Ascendant physical traits
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25131

Ascendant sign research
http://www.cafeastrology.com/risingsignsascendant.html
http://astrology.findyourfate.com/astrology-ascendant.htm
http://www.astrology-numerology.com/angles.html
http://moonvalleyastrologer.com/zodia_sign.htm
http://www.astrologyzine.com/what-are-rising-sign-traits.shtml
http://www.alwaysastrology.com/rising-signs.html
http://www.astrofaces.com/astrofaces/index.html
http://www.forrestastrology.com/Audio-and-Video/The-Ascendant-Workshop-MP3
http://www.starslikeyou.com.au/star-files/ascendant/aries.php
http://www.forrestastrology.com/General-Astrology/the-craft-of-chart-rectification
http://www.elbertwade.com/page79.html

You can listen to author Jodie Forrest here describe Ascendants and planets in first house, even buy her audio on the subject
Just briefly, according to member Kannon [Cardinal signs are more rounded. Fixed signs are rectangular or blocky. Mutable signs are longish or narrow]
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28315

[astrologer50]

for example age 6 solar arc mars conj MC, did you move house? was there a male sibling born? Age 14 SA venus conj MC did you start a relationship or pay lots more attention to socialising?

[xcessdenied]

Thanks a lot everyone for the help. I think I am beginning to see why the sole fire and air planet might end up being more important than what I thought at first glance.
@Sugar .. Surprisingly even before reading the slight confusion about my birth time you had a feeling my chart was incorrect. Thats interesting. Can you point out why you thought so?

@Ixaee - Thanks though that Moon Opp Pluto can make me explode like a bomb in close relationships . I definitely end up being a little "blunt" even when I dont intend to. Have learnt to sugar coat it to the max though ...

@Astrologer50 .. wow. thanks a bunch for pointing me towards Solar Arcs. I would work through those to see if I can correct my birth time. Though just by looking at the Ascendant physical signs .. I think I am more "Gemini". I can look like 3 different people at 3 different occasions to the extent of being unrecognizable. I look younger than my age and should I mention my brain is always counting steps, trees or something while I am walking or sitting in a train...

Once again. thanks a bunch everyone. You have been very helpful.

[anny]

To Ixaee:

I really dont understand what is bad with having Pluto square AC. I have it, and I like it!!! I am sure this is something that gives me some inner depth and survival instinct to my shiny Leo AC. Also bigger motivation to achieve something, to become somebody....

On contrary I like chart where are some amount of challenging aspects, because they make the person to achieve something. Harmonious charts make the person lazy and satisfied with herself, doesn`t give high motivation to do something...

[astrologer50]

Originally Posted by anny

To Ixaee:

I really dont understand what is bad with having Pluto square AC. I have it, and I like it!!! I am sure this is something that gives me some inner depth and survival instinct to my shiny Leo AC. Also bigger motivation to achieve something, to become somebody....

On contrary I like chart where are some amount of challenging aspects, because they make the person to achieve something. Harmonious charts make the person lazy and satisfied with herself, doesn`t give high motivation to do something...

Pluto in Square to Ascendant

You have a tremendous amount of power at your command and even you may not realize how easily others are affected by your "force field." If you seem to invite more than your share of conflicts, then perhaps you can choose to develop an awareness of your approach and tone it down a bit. You're definitely the kind of person people want on their team when winning is the objective. You won't, don't, can't quit until every option has been run through. You can become a potent agent for healing and forgiveness. Can you start with yourself? Regeneration is your gift.

http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/aspectspluto.htm

You may not even realise 'how you come accross' to others, but somehow they sense a 'threat'. I have Pluto square MC although 7' separating, I occasionally get brought up short by people's reactions to me being attacking.