Pluto Issues / Venus square Pluto

[moonwillow]

thought I would share these two links. I have some pluto issues, especially venus square pluto, these links resonated with some stuff I have had to deal with
http://sasstrology.com/2007/05/pluto...tionships.html

http://sasstrology.com/2011/06/venus...d-parties.html

Hit the nail on the head as the saying goes. Also, all the men who has had the most impact on me, have had venus / moon / pluto aspects in natal and in our synastry or in composite.

just wondering if anyone has had this too

[lazarusx]

A Venus-Pluto guy would worry that his eye contact is too intense; he wouldn’t hold the gaze long enough for the woman to realize he’s interested. Worried that he’s overwhelming her, he’d actually give her the idea that he doesn’t deem her a good enough dancer! On some level, he’s aware of his own power and immediately plays it down. Unfortunately, this gives lesser leads—his rivals—the upper hand!

I actually had to laugh at how accurate i found this in relation to myself, i also have this square between Venus and Pluto, and this is more or less how it plays out for me, which tends to open the floodgates in attracting possessive women.

[Lin]

Yeah...there are 2 types of Pluto sq. Venus types: the individuals who have begun the healing process (which means they name the violation to themselves & validate they have been abused) and the process of recovery....

and those in denial. Naturally, it's easier to have a relationship with the first type because they are usually aware of their self-destructive tendencies and try to keep it from destroying relationships.
LIN

[astrologer50]

trouble is with these cookbooks is they don't take into account the signs, houses or aspects, which of course vary and alter things majorly

[virgo18]

yeah its not the same Venus in Leo square Pluto in scorpio,
and Venus in Virgo square Pluto in Sagittarius.

[moonwillow]

I do not know much about astrology yet, however, based on the basic chart interpretation on Astro.com
My venus is in Gemini in the eighth house squares my Pluto in Virgo. My pluto is in the 11th house
I really have no clue what all this means yet though

Lin, I really like what you wrote
"Yeah...there are 2 types of Pluto sq. Venus types: the individuals who have begun the healing process (which means they name the violation to themselves & validate they have been abused) and the process of recovery...."

True, sometimes though, you find yourself having to deal with the same kind of people that abused you, these people just show up, especially when you are not looking, and you really have to learn to stand up and fight back, this prolongs the recovery process

Just when you think you are healing............
Moonwillow

[Lin]

Donna Cunningham wrote a good book called "Healing Pluto Problems".
Check it out.
LIN

[miquar]

Hi Moonwillow. You might get something out of reading the myth of Hades (Pluto) and Kore. Aphrodite (Venus) was about the only friend Hades had in Greek mythology (apart from perhaps Hermes who was the only character allowed to pass in and out of the underworld). In the myth it is Aphrodite who helps Hades to abduct Kore by placing the Narcissus flower where Kore will find it, pick it, and thus summon Hades. But because your Venus is in Gemini it might feel like Kore (which means spring maiden), whose naive world is violated by Hades as part of her transformation into Persephone (meaning she who loves the dark earth. With Pluto in the 11th, the threat, or impetus to evolve, could come through your awareness of, or contact with, a group of some kind and the ideals which define it???

[astrology02]

Does pluto/venus square indicate abuse?

I don't have this aspect , but my friend does. Is it because they were abused before that they have a strong need to control others? In a way its like "i'll get them , before they get me?"

I was just wondering if anyone could share their own experiences

[moonwillow]

Miquar, sorry not responding sooner, but since you posted this, I have read and re-read your reply. You pretty much summed my venus-pluto square and the analogy to what I have had to deal with all of my life. It is sometimes tough to read such things about yourself, but very enlightening at the same time. Thank you Miquar.

Moonwillow

[miquar]

Thanks Moonwillow. I wonder if it would help you to visualise yourself as Persephone, having entered and then exited the underworld. What are her/your strengths? She is now Queen of the Underworld -the High Priestess in the Mythic Tarot deck. She is not afraid of it because she is part of it, and her passages between worlds mark the seasonal changes that revitalise the earth.

Some parts of this thread may be of interest to you:

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=40163

[astrologer50]

Originally Posted by moonwillow

I do not know much about astrology yet, however, based on the basic chart interpretation on Astro.com
My venus is in Gemini in the eighth house squares my Pluto in Virgo. My pluto is in the 11th house
I really have no clue what all this means yet though
Moonwillow

Pluto in 11th House - succeedent
· Loner. Not lonely ‑ but aware you are alone. Very few intimate friends.
· Friends will bend your ear ‑ because they know you are good at keeping secrets.
· Lost friends through death
· Won't ask favours from friends.
· Not powerfully placed here.
· Reformist tendencies expressed in friendships and groups or will attract powerful friends.
· Great leadership qualities

Pluto people will not be told anything. The strongest of all the twelve signs. Stands for intensity. Thrives on emergencies.

Wherever Pluto is in the natal chart ‑ want ultimate control concerning matters of that house.

[astrologer50]

Originally Posted by astrology02

Does pluto/venus square indicate abuse?

I don't have this aspect , but my friend does. Is it because they were abused before that they have a strong need to control others? In a way its like "i'll get them , before they get me?"

I was just wondering if anyone could share their own experiences

No, it is something quite hard to see, poss pluto conj IC hard aspects

[miquar]

Hi astrologer02. I don't think that Venus square Pluto indicates abuse as such, but it is certainly one expression of this aspect. And 'get them before they get me' certainly sounds like an expression of Pluto in someone who has been disempowered and violated in whatever way. One interpretation of Venus Pluto is that the native's sexual awareness was awakened at an early age due to the intensity of sexual feeling in the early environment. This needn't happen in a detrimental way - the erotic charge between parent and child (generally a parent and a child of opposite genders) is now well documented as a typical part of the parent/child dynamic, and needn't manifest in an abusive way. But of course some parents exploit the dynamic - often after they too have been abused in the past.

[moonwillow]

Astrologer50. Once again I am humbled. Thank you.

Pluto in 11th House - succeedent
· Loner. Not lonely ‑ but aware you are alone. Very few intimate friends. - Very True
· Friends will bend your ear ‑ because they know you are good at keeping secrets. - Very True
· Lost friends through death - Very very true
· Won't ask favours from friends. - Very True
· Not powerfully placed here. - Very True
· Reformist tendencies expressed in friendships and groups or will attract powerful friends. - Very True
· Great leadership qualities. I have been told

Thank you again, I truly appreciate this
Moonwillow

[astrology02]

Originally Posted by miquar

Hi astrologer02. I don't think that Venus square Pluto indicates abuse as such, but it is certainly one expression of this aspect. And 'get them before they get me' certainly sounds like an expression of Pluto in someone who has been disempowered and violated in whatever way. One interpretation of Venus Pluto is that the native's sexual awareness was awakened at an early age due to the intensity of sexual feeling in the early environment. This needn't happen in a detrimental way - the erotic charge between parent and child (generally a parent and a child of opposite genders) is now well documented as a typical part of the parent/child dynamic, and needn't manifest in an abusive way. But of course some parents exploit the dynamic - often after they too have been abused in the past.

Hi miquar, thank you for your response!

What you have said puts venus/pluto aspect in a new perspective for me

Also sex seems to be a constant issue when it comes to relationships for my friend so this makes a lot of sense what you have said.
Have a good night!

[blueskye]

Hi, I'm not sure about venus/pluto but I have sun opposing pluto and I tend to attract other sun/pluto people. Because pluto is so karmic, I believe that people with similar issues are drawn to each other to work out whatever mutual karma needs to be worked out. Not to mention that no one can stand a pluto person except another pluto person. It's my experience with pluto issues that there tends to be control vs. submission problems. There is an imbalance in the life represented by whatever houses pluto and the other planet occupy. Pluto issues tend to be so hidden that often times we don't even realize there's a problem until later in life. I have to say, one good thing about pluto people is they dig deeper than any other type and I love being one. Once us pluto people work out our issues, we are so good at aiding and relating to other people.

[ClairDeLune]

Well, my Venus in Aquarius squares my Pluto in Scorpio and I definitely have some Pluto issues, especially in relationships with the opposite gender. When I'm inlove I am so INTENSE, I don't think I can even handle my own feelings. I don't want to be in boring relationships, I always want to give the person all my love, to love them deeply and passionately and I expect them to love me the same way. I want (and I seek, purposely or not) all consuming relationships. Otherwise I feel something is not right and I get bored easily. Also I get extremely jealous, but I don't show it to the other person, at least not verbally. I'm also good at mind games and manipulation. The paradox is that I love to be dominated and to dominate at the same time, that adds a lot of confusion to my love life.
I also have Venus square Mars, Moon conj Mars and Moon&Mars both in the 8th house in my chart, so I'm not sure which one causes more problems and drama in my love life. All I know is that these aspcets completely change my Aquarius sun traits, I don't feel like Aquarian at all.

[Sentient0ne]

Originally Posted by ClairDeLune

Well, my Venus in Aquarius squares my Pluto in Scorpio and I definitely have some Pluto issues, especially in relationships with the opposite gender. When I'm inlove I am so INTENSE, I don't think I can even handle my own feelings. I don't want to be in boring relationships, I always want to give the person all my love, to love them deeply and passionately and I expect them to love me the same way. I want (and I seek, purposely or not) all consuming relationships. Otherwise I feel something is not right and I get bored easily. Also I get extremely jealous, but I don't show it to the other person, at least not verbally. I'm also good at mind games and manipulation. The paradox is that I love to be dominated and to dominate at the same time, that adds a lot of confusion to my love life.
I also have Venus square Mars, Moon conj Mars and Moon&Mars both in the 8th house in my chart, so I'm not sure which one causes more problems and drama in my love life. All I know is that these aspcets completely change my Aquarius sun traits, I don't feel like Aquarian at all.

The impact of Pluto, along with the 8th house planets, will certainly bring you a different energy, much of what you described is very much the affect of that energy. I have Pluto in the 8th house, along with a Jupiter/Uranus conjunction, and a Scorpio moon. The jealously thing can be overcome. I used to suffer with that aspect a lot. The Dominance paradox will be something you come to terms with as well. In both cases, it may depend upon finding someone who complements your energies and allows you to find your true self.

[theV]

I have a contra parallel which supposed to be read as a square or opposite


How would you interpret someone with sun Venus conjunct square pluto