Newbie Needs Help Reading Natal Chart

[PeacefulHeart]

Hi everyone. I am brand new to astrology and am hoping I can get some help in interpreting my natal chart. The one thing that stood out to me right away is that I have five planets in Capricorn (Sun, Mercury, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune). I realize that Uranus and Neptune are slow moving, so perhaps that is less significant (some websites say to pay more attention to houses, when it comes to the outer planets). Still, I was wondering if this emphasis means anything in particular. In addition, H9 and Midheaven are located in Capricorn. This stood out as unusual to me and I don't know what it might mean. I also noticed the over-emphasis (triple?) on the earth element and the complete lack of air elements. What does this mean?

Another thing that struck me as unusual is that I have so many aspects. According to the Astrodienst natal chart, I have eight conjunctions, nine trines, three squares, three sextiles, and five oppositions (four of which are to Pluto... hmm). I have no idea what all of this means.

What is the overall feel of my natal chart? I have tried reading computerized profiles (such as the one on cafeastrology) and find that they are full of contradictions and some parts don't describe me at all. I'm hoping that if I can get a grasp of the "big picture" that it will make more sense. So, if you see something significant in my chart, please point it out to me. I would like to have an idea of where to start looking in analyzing my chart and learning about myself and astrology. It is just SO broad that it is really overwhelming.

[PeacefulHeart]

No one?

I have also noticed that I have a Grand Trine made up of earth signs (Moon in Virgo, Mercury in Capricorn, and Jupiter in Taurus). If you count my Ascendant, I would have two, but it would also be with Moon and Mercury.

I'm not sure whether Placidus or Equal House would work best for me, but under Equal House, I have four planets in the 8th house and a stellium under Capricorn. Using Placidus, the stellium moves to the 8th house.

I am so confused. I don't know which to use.

[JUPITERASC]

Originally Posted by PeacefulHeart

No one?

I have also noticed that I have a Grand Trine made up of earth signs (Moon in Virgo, Mercury in Capricorn, and Jupiter in Taurus). If you count my Ascendant, I would have two, but it would also be with Moon and Mercury.

I'm not sure whether Placidus or Equal House would work best for me, but under Equal House, I have four planets in the 8th house and a stellium under Capricorn. Using Placidus, the stellium moves to the 8th house.

I am so confused. I don't know which to use.

I'm not a professional astrologer I just have an interest in astrology. It sounds like you are unsure which house system to use, but in fact there are many others as well as the two you mention! As you have noticed, planets can be in different houses, depending on the house system you use but that does not mean that it is 'better' or 'worse'! http://www.librarising.com/astrology...ignhouses.html Also, here's a link to some interesting reading on the subject of whether to use the tropical or the sidereal zodiac http://www.soulhealing.com/ending.htm

[PeacefulHeart]

I'm moving the reply here because it seems more relevant. (ie. this part of your reply was more relevant to my chart than the conversation about my ex-friend and similarities in our charts.)

Your chart is hugely lobsided in placidus

Yes, I realize that my houses are lopsided. Though, I don't think it means that my chart is wrong, just because my houses aren't close to being equal. I remember reading somewhere that the unequal sizes can represent differences in cultures at higher latitudes. I'm not sure if that's true, but I thought it was interesting.

Anyway, the thing that makes me wary about using equal houses is that Mars moves to the 11th house. I think Mars fits in better in the 12th house. I have read that Mars is dignified in Aries, but can be stifled in the 12th house. I am certainly not a typical Mars-in-Aries person, so this can explain it. I'm not sure how aggression and will would fit in with relationships. However so, it doesn't seem to fit.

It's only with study and research will you be able to assess where your planets are deposited and in which houses... thus see which 'glove fits'

Yes, this is what I am trying to do. I'm trying to keep an open mind. But like I said, I am skeptical about Mars in 11th.

My chart under the Whole House system is interesting. Mars stays in the 12th house and Venus moves to the 8th house (which may show darkness regarding relationships?) That is probably more fitting than under Placidus, but I don't know how to properly interpret anything. the planets from Mercury to Uranus (5) are all under the 9th house.

Now your stellium in Capricorn in 8th house Equal house

The Yahoo link/forum post indicates that an 8th house stellium shows darkness. Even though I have battled with depression, I don't relate to that very much. I am not an overly dark person, but I do brood and have a lot of sadness. I don't think this really shows in the stellium, though. I think by darkness, the stellium shows more of a fascination with "dark" things, which I don't relate to. The only thing that applies is a need to analyze or investigate in my work.

I think the description for 9th house stellium is more fitting. The links show that it's about a spiritual journey and constantly questioning beliefs and being drawn to writing (which is consistent with my Mercury being conjunct the MC and in very close aspect to it).

your chart lacks the element of air or planets in air houses, which can suggest a bit of 'sweeping statement syndrome' with no enough clear thought process put behind speech patterns.

I do tend to do that.

moon square venus suggests whomever you attracted to romantically don't always fulfill you emotionally and vice versa

That's very interesting. I behave very strangely regarding relationships. When someone shows interest in me, I am very cold. Instead of being the sweet, kind, and silly person that others think of when they get to know me, I completely shut myself off from them. I don't connect and I don't think they would be able to fulfill me emotionally. (This is why I stay far away from relationships. I think it's just asking for trouble.)

when Saturn and Uranus fall in the same sign or house we get caught in a cleft stick, wanting to make changes but fearing to let go of the old.

Yes, this is also very true.

Saturn conj Neptune -this can be a 'fear of the unknown' aspect and quite poss having your dreams, aspiratons crushed in early childhood by father and/or authority figures

Interesting. Yes, the fear of the unknown definitely describes me. But, even though others may have tried to crush my dreams or aspirations, my idealism stays intact. So, the second part doesn't apply as much.

[Munch]

Hello there!

I use the Whole Sign House System which means that there are no intercepted houses. There is only one sign per house. I also use traditional rulers but ascribe something akin to an exalted status to the outer planets in certain signs.

The first thing that jumps out at me is how super earthy you are. You have two angles in earth and both luminaries as well as the other planets that you listed in Capricorn. Key words for you are practical, logical, methodical, grounded, real, sincere, obtuse, rigid and worried.

AC in Taurus and Jupiter on the AC shows that you have a love for the finer things in life, especially food. You'll have to pay a great deal of attention to your diet or you could find yourself carrying a little more weight in later years than you might like.

Saturn and Mars are your chart rulers but you have a mutual reception between Venus and Jupiter that are vying for the right to rule as it were. This is the perfect balance of responsibility and indulgence and drive.

The general sense that I get from your chart is that you are able to bring your ambitions to fruition in life, but it won't be until you overcome your Saturn/Sun conjunction. This will be easier than a square, but you will have to learn to allow yourself to 'just do it.' This is not going to be super easy for a person with a super stellium in Capricorn, but when and if you do, your Venus is going to SING.

Make sure you baby your Venus. Being pracitcal is wonderful, but your heart yearns for excitement. Your venus is in your 8th house (my house system) in Sagittarius. I highly recommend spending time delving into occult studies, because the scholarly aspect will satisfy you, and at the same time indulge the basic Capricorn interest in occult.

[astrologer50]

Originally Posted by JUPITERASC

I'm not a professional astrologer I just have an interest in astrology. It sounds like you are unsure which house system to use, but in fact there are many others as well as the two you mention! As you have noticed, planets can be in different houses, depending on the house system you use but that does not mean that it is 'better' or 'worse'! http://www.librarising.com/astrology...ignhouses.html Also, here's a link to some interesting reading on the subject of whether to use the tropical or the sidereal zodiac http://www.soulhealing.com/ending.htm

hmmm, 98% of members here use Tropical zodiac and for beginners, it's best not to overcomplicate matters, there is plenty to go at, just learning the basics.

Now in Equal house your mars is tightly conj 12th house cusp and this means that your mars will be more efffective/interpreted in 12th house, as it's within 5' orb of a house cusp going anti clockwise


Planets conjunct a house cusp
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=202304&postcount=7
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=205033#post205033
Planets conj House cusp
“Ascendant at 15’ Libra and Jupiter 13’ Libra. That would place Jupiter in the 12th house, right? But many thoughtful astrologers would read this as Jupiter being conjunction with Ascendant, and end up reading it as bringing its action to bear in the first house, rather than in the 12th.
This same idea would apply for each and every house cusp. If the planet is IN THE SAME SIGN as the sign on the next house cusp, and close enough to be CONJUNCT WITH that next house cusp, the action of the planet will be directed into oncoming house”
http://www.astrology-numerology.com/inhouses.html

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14887

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=125412&postcount=4

Ptolemy says the influence of the house begins to be felt 5° before the actual cusp.
http://www.astrologycom.com/houses.html

[astrologer50]

Do you consider your natal moon at home in 5th house Equal house or tightly conjunct 6th house cusp in Placidus??


house meanings
http://www.horoscopeswithin.com/houses.php
http://www.astrologyzine.com/what-is-a-house-in-astrology.shtml
http://www.dkfoundation.co.uk/dkfoundation/BookKarma&NewDirections.htm
http://www.gotohoroscope.com/houses-in-chart.html
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/temples/h1.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_(astrology)
http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_house2_e.htm
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/houses.htm

Natal chart aspects
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/sunaspects.html
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/aspects2.html
http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/planetsaspectsastrology.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_aspect
http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_aspect_e.htm
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/aspectsreference.htm
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/aspectssun.htm
http://astrologynotes.org/wiki/Sun_aspects
http://www.astrologyindepth.com/Special:Prefixindex/category:
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/TOClessons.htm
http://www.theastrologicalaspects.com/
http://www.strangehouse.com/natal-aspects/index.php

planets in houses
http://www.horoscopeswithin.com/planetsinhouses.php
Houses/signs are like the backdrop of a stage/theatre, planets in houses behave like actors on a stage, the *aspects* show how these planets/actor behave in a house

[JUPITERASC]

Originally Posted by PeacefulHeart

Hi everyone. I am brand new to astrology and am hoping I can get some help in interpreting my natal chart. The one thing that stood out to me right away is that I have five planets in Capricorn (Sun, Mercury, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune). I realize that Uranus and Neptune are slow moving, so perhaps that is less significant (some websites say to pay more attention to houses, when it comes to the outer planets). Still, I was wondering if this emphasis means anything in particular. In addition, H9 and Midheaven are located in Capricorn. This stood out as unusual to me and I don't know what it might mean. I also noticed the over-emphasis (triple?) on the earth element and the complete lack of air elements. What does this mean?

Another thing that struck me as unusual is that I have so many aspects. According to the Astrodienst natal chart, I have eight conjunctions, nine trines, three squares, three sextiles, and five oppositions (four of which are to Pluto... hmm). I have no idea what all of this means.

What is the overall feel of my natal chart? I have tried reading computerized profiles (such as the one on cafeastrology) and find that they are full of contradictions and some parts don't describe me at all. I'm hoping that if I can get a grasp of the "big picture" that it will make more sense. So, if you see something significant in my chart, please point it out to me. I would like to have an idea of where to start looking in analyzing my chart and learning about myself and astrology. It is just SO broad that it is really overwhelming.

Interesting that you have Mercury conjunct your Midheaven which could mean that you are attracted to a career that includes public speaking. Alternatively, that placement could mean that you tend to have frequent career changes. Mercury is the communications planet - so teaching, lecturing, perhaps even being a radio presenter are careers you could consider

[astrologer50]

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...7&postcount=12

[JUPITERASC]

Originally Posted by PeacefulHeart

No one?
I'm not sure whether Placidus or Equal House would work best for me, but under Equal House, I have four planets in the 8th house and a stellium under Capricorn. Using Placidus, the stellium moves to the 8th house.

I am so confused. I don't know which to use.

Because there are more than twenty five house systems you have plenty of choice as to which one 'could work best for you'! This is a useful link for you to Anita Burns webpage that explains forty house systems including Placidus and Equal House!

(ANITA BURNS SAYS ON HER WEBSITE: "There are at least 40 house systems for astrologers to choose from. Although how the house systems are derived can be complex there are basically two classifications: Quadrant/Equal division, and Lunes/Semi-arc" ENDQUOTE)

http://nashvillepsychics.blogspot.co...cal-house.html

[astrologer50]

Originally Posted by PeacefulHeart

Originally Posted by PeacefulHeart
No one?
I'm not sure whether Placidus or Equal House would work best for me, but under Equal House, I have four planets in the 8th house and a stellium under Capricorn. Using Placidus, the stellium moves to the 8th house.

I am so confused. I don't know which to use.

It's only with study and research will you be able to assess where your planets are deposited and in which houses... thus see which 'glove fits'


go with your gut instinct and which planets resonate with you in which houses.


http://www.solsticepoint.com/astrologersmemorial/hone.html
http://www.skyviewzone.com/birthinfoforms2/housesexplained.htm
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Z0nnE2IP7A4C&pg=PA167&dq=astrology+equal+ house&as_brr=3&ei=i0iJS-PlGo3mygS89Nn8DQ&cd=2#v=onepage&q=astrology%20equa l%20house&f=false

EQUAL HOUSES
“Another of the three most popular house systems is Equal houses which is just what its name implies. All the houses have the same degree on each cusp, and there are no interceptions. Equal house systems are especially useful for people born in the northernmost and southernmost latitudes, and this system is the most popular one in use outside of the United States.”
http://www.esotericapublications.com/art-eso-011.htm

“Equal house system is the only system that is erected in the plane of the Earths orbit. The zodiac is erected in the plane of the Earths orbit around the Sun which comprises of a 360 degree circle that surrounds the Earth. The mid-heaven is often more, or less than ninety degrees (three signs) from the ascendant, therefore it is not often placed on the tenth house cusp, but marked where it appears in the mid-heaven according to the latitude and longitude of birth. The mid-heaven is taken as an important point; it is the point of self-mastery.”
http://marianneohagan.com/house.htm


“The simplest approaches, the equal-house and whole-sign methods, merely require knowledge of the ascendant or ascending sign, and an equal division throughout the rest of the zodiac eliminates the need for any complicated calculations
Yet recent research into classical astrology has created a renewed interest in these simple techniques from a more scholarly perspective. The point of strength is that, regardless of the originating theory behind house division, in practice at least, classical astrologers tended to tie the houses to the signs, apparently concurring with Pelletier, who wrote in defence of the equal house method”
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/houprob4.html

[JUPITERASC]

Originally Posted by JUPITERASC

Because there are more than twenty five house systems you have plenty of choice as to which one 'could work best for you'! This is a useful link for you to Anita Burns webpage that explains forty house systems including Placidus and Equal House!

(ANITA BURNS SAYS ON HER WEBSITE: "There are at least 40 house systems for astrologers to choose from. Although how the house systems are derived can be complex there are basically two classifications: Quadrant/Equal division, and Lunes/Semi-arc" ENDQUOTE)

http://nashvillepsychics.blogspot.co...cal-house.html

and there's more to discover from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_%28astrology%29

[JUPITERASC]

(ANITA BURNS SAYS ON HER WEBSITE: "There are at least 40 house systems for astrologers to choose from. Although how the house systems are derived can be complex there are basically two classifications: Quadrant/Equal division, and Lunes/Semi-arc" ENDQUOTE)

http://nashvillepsychics.blogspot.co...cal-house.html

Originally Posted by astrologer50

strange views as there certainly is NOT 40 to choice from on astro.com I think it's more like 8 or 10 house systems that are 'mainstream' so some must be really obscure...

Views not prevously heard seem strange but that does not mean that they are strange - just that you personally have not heard them before - you may think these views are not 'mainstream', but that's no reason to discount them. astro.com is only one of the astrological sites online. There are billions of people in the world, all with their own point of view, so it is not surprising that there are so many house systems. Variety is the spice of life

[PeacefulHeart]

Originally Posted by Munch

The first thing that jumps out at me is how super earthy you are. You have two angles in earth and both luminaries as well as the other planets that you listed in Capricorn. Key words for you are practical, logical, methodical, grounded, real, sincere, obtuse, rigid and worried.

Many of those words do describe me.

AC in Taurus and Jupiter on the AC shows that you have a love for the finer things in life, especially food. You'll have to pay a great deal of attention to your diet or you could find yourself carrying a little more weight in later years than you might like.

I'm actually not luxurious at all. My taste for most things is rather simple. When it comes to food, I like fresh and healthy cooking. But, I don't get much enjoyment out of it. I actually have the opposite problem to what you described. I am finicky,have next to no appetite, and am very thin. (I don't fit the AC in Taurus appearance either.)

Saturn and Mars are your chart rulers but you have a mutual reception between Venus and Jupiter that are vying for the right to rule as it were. This is the perfect balance of responsibility and indulgence and drive.

That's good to know. Thank you.

The general sense that I get from your chart is that you are able to bring your ambitions to fruition in life, but it won't be until you overcome your Saturn/Sun conjunction. This will be easier than a square, but you will have to learn to allow yourself to 'just do it.' This is not going to be super easy for a person with a super stellium in Capricorn, but when and if you do, your Venus is going to SING.

Aww, that's good to know. That's something to aim for.

I have read that having a grand trine can cause people to become too comfortable where they are at or lazy and have trouble acting on ambitions. That combined with my stellium might explain why it's so tough for me.

Make sure you baby your Venus. Being pracitcal is wonderful, but your heart yearns for excitement.

Yes, that's true. Thank you for your insights and advice.