Feel aprehensive about going on my trip

[Amy]

Dont know what is going on in my chart lately. So far, since the eclipse om June 1st, seems things have been going strangly. My beloved dog had to be surrendered yesterday due to a fight she had with my senior dog, who now has to get stiches on an open wound, and then i met up on FB with an old school friend who invited me to see him on the forth of july weekend in Vegas.

I want to cancel this trip, not knowing what this has in store for me. my moon in gemini is catching up. wanting to change the plans i made so eagerly weeks ago. i feel he will be dissapointed as we have not seen each other in so long, and perhaps, we could get to know each other and it might be nice and certainly a romantic charge which is what i need. but...i am feeling like i should "back away".

why is this happening to me? why is all this happening?

please advise.
will the Venus trine Venus have to wait until 2013 as I have been told.

Namaste - to all who will look at this chart.

[dr. farr]

(Following is not in accordance with standard horary delineation and uses whole sign house format)

I'll use the Lot of Happiness to delineate this question:

-Lot of Happiness (LOH) falls @ 15 Aquarius
-this is in the 3rd house of short distance journeys = + testimony
-LOH is in an elevated degree = strong + testimony
-LOH is in a bright degree of Aquarius = + testimony
-significator of the LOH = Saturn
-Saturn is posited in the 11th house of friends and the Good Spirit, and is in its exaltation sign of Libra = + testimony
-Saturn is retrograde, thus flows toward the LOH; also the retrograde status is suggestive of return/re-union of friends (11th house position of Saturn)
-Saturn is conjunct the Part of Fortune in the 11th house = + testimony
-Moon, querent's co-significator, flows toward conjunction with Saturn (significator of the LOH) = + testimony

All testimonies regarding Happiness are positive; indications are very favorable for this reunion...

[Amy]

Thank you Dr. Farr...but i do not understand this theory. I really dont and i wish that you would explain to me on a level that i would. these are just calculations, i dont understand.......they dont mean anything to me.

can you PLEASE - explain what you are saying in different terms not astrology. that sounds good, but why do i feel so awful?

i dont want to go, i dont have any faith in anthing anymore, its just that I have been so hurt by many things these past two years.

I DO NOT HAVE THE NOTION THAT ARTHUR AND I are going to fall in love in three days...lolol we dont even know each other, he and i are supposed to just have a fun time...its just that I FEEL DEPRESSED about alot of things, now my dog had to be placed up for adoption, we had her since dece 24th of last year...luckily - our senior dog winnie is still with us.

I have not heard from Arthur since that saturday morning when he called to touch base with me.

i have not heard from him again.
i want to cancel this ticket. and send him an email
then run.....

[starlink]

Dr.Farr, Saturn (not Amy's main ruler, but her co-ruler because Capricorn is intercepted in her first house) is retrograde and because you probably do not use Regiomontanus houses it is probably in the 11th house of the chart you use, but in the 9th house when using Regiomontanus and because of the retrograde motion, it is moving away from the Part of Fortune I believe.(in other words, Amy taken as second ruler Saturn, pulls back from "Fortune").
If the LOH is at 15° Aquarius and Saturn now at 10° Libra retrograde, it will move away also from the LOH or am I seeing this wrongly? Also, the aspect between Saturn and the LOH in Aquarius is an inconjunct, which traditionally we dont use in horary. Anyways, your method "is not in accordance with standard horary delineation" as you mentioned above, so that is alright.

Amy,The Ascendant of this chart is very late, in other words, you probably know the answer to this question and there is not much you can do about it.
Your 5th house of romance is ruled by Venus and Venus is actually strong in this sign and that looks OK. The Moon is your co-significator and would make a fortunate aspect to this Venus but unfortunately Moon will square Mercury, then Sun first which shows an impediment. Venus will enter her sign of detriment, Aries, in about two degrees, which is actually not very nice. It could show that a romantic forecast could be bleak.
Furthermore, in the "yes and No" Technique of Marc E. Jones, we take the 5th house ruler and her opposite, the 11th house ruler. Both are in Taurus, but again, Venus is faster than Mars and the two wont get together. If it would have been the other way around, a conjunction of Mars and Venus would have been a "yes". This is as far as I understand this technique.
I am sorry Amy, but somehow it does not too fortunate.

Starlink

[starlink]

Amy, I just wanted to say one more thing. I personally dont let Astrology rule my life. We have a free will in the matter and if you had NOT asked these questions, you would have gone along with the invitation right? So just GO and should this meeting not end up in romance, at least you have not been over fantasizing thanks to the horary outcome and the desillusion wont be too bad. And who knows, a good friendship might also be the result right?. I would still go, really, unless of course he does not write nor mail at all anymore. Than you will know something is not right. Good luck to you! Starlink.

[Amy]

thank you so much. no worries. I thought alot about this since my dog patty was sent away. It had nothing to do with my friend Arthur. Actually, he does not write nor call anymore because, and we spoke last saturday, he is in his "busy time" and he wants to get all this work done BEFORE I get out there so he can devote his time to me. I understood that, i am just making a mountain out of a molehill. He said he would touch base with me later on this month so we can make more arrangements, he is picking me up at the airport as he has my informaiton on the reservations.

I am just getting cold feet because it so wierd seeing someone that yuo have not seen in over 37 years. lol

no, i dont let astro rule my life, i just want to understand where this is all coming from.

it would be nice to make a new friend. i think i am still kind of hung up on someone else anyway. i dont expect much from romance from this guy, i was just curious.

i still want to back away though. dont know why

[dr. farr]

Hi Starlink! Glad to have you more active again here on AW!

Some remarks:
-first and foremost, as you already know, my approach to horary (and, indeed, other branches of astrology) is definitely not "in accordance" with generally accepted conventional rules and regulations and delineations, and that is why I always head all of my horary entries with a disclaimer to that effect

-in my opinion (please remember that ALL of this is just from my point of view and my experiences) regiomontanus and other quadrant systems are often misleading and for me (Dr. whole sign) the significator of the Lot of Happiness, Saturn (which is also significator of the 3rd house of short distance journeys) is posited in the 11th house of friends and the Good Spirit: yes, Saturn is rx, but within the context of this question about a short distance journey renewing relations with an old friend not seen or heard of for many years, I interpreted this rx Saturn indication WITHIN THAT CONTEXT (within the context of the specific horary question), because-to me at least- it simply made sense: Saturn (old/past things) in the House of Friends (11th), Saturn signifying the LOH and the 3rd house of short distance journeys, Saturn in its exaltation sign (thus having essential dignity in its place)-so the retrograde part fit in WITH THIS RETURNING TO FRIENDSHIP, as a benefic thing, not a negative; also, the aspect between Saturn and the LOH (of which Saturn is the significator) is a seperating trine (barely so, by my orbs, which reaches its limit at 5 degrees; but they are in about 5 degrees of perfect although seperating trine)

-Yes, Saturn is flowing away from conjunction with the Part of Fortune and-as you correctly observed-also from the LOH (I was mistaken when I said it flowed toward the LOH-Dr. Bonehead!) But Saturn, here, is only a secondary significator (connected with the LOH) For me, no way is Saturn co-significator of the querent: since (as you already know) I do not believe in the reality of interceptions (no offense to anyone) and in the whole sign house format we never have this misleading indication (interceptions): in this reference chart the primary significator of the querent is Jupiter: and Jupiter flows toward the LOH significator, Saturn and Saturn retrogrades toward the primary querent significator, Jupiter; all of this is quite + testimony (in my opinion)

-querent's co-significator is the Moon, and the Moon flows toward the LOH significator Saturn and Saturn retrogrades toward the Moon and the Moon's next conjunction is with the LOH significator Saturn (Moon's next conjunction-not next aspect, but rather its next conjunction- was a BIG deal in the considerations of horary astrology prior to the 13th century)

-yes, a late ascendant (almost too late even for me!) but I don't pay attention to that (very often at least) Why?
Because prior to the 1300's, NO horary authority (I am aware of) prior to the 13th century EVER mentioned "too late or too early" ascendants as messig anything up, or, in fact, as meaning/implying anything at all; and we don't find this "ascendant stuff" in Vedic astrology (prasna sastra) either. So-for me (maybe only for me!)-I do not let the too early/too late dogma developed in later horary practice, affect me (except when I get 0 or 29, then I get nervous-but maybe I shouldn't?)

-I always use a totality of testimonies in reaching my final conclusion relative to a horary delineation (following the Primary Ankara method-obviously not when testing the Magic 8 Ball or in using Simple Lunar Divination-but neither of these techniques are actually "horary" in the real meaning of that term)

Let's reconsider the totality of testimonies here, including all of the relevant + or - elements:

-LOH falls in the 3rd house (quesited house) of short distance journeys = +
-LOH is in a cadent house = -
-LOH is in an elevated degree of Aquarius = +
-LOH is in a bright degree of Aquarius = +
-querent's Jupiter flows away from the LOH = -
-Jupiter flows toward Saturn (LOH and quesited 3rd house significator) = +
-Saturn is retrograde = -
-Saturn flows away from the Part of Fortune = -
-Saturn flows away from (in seperating trine from) the LOH = -
-Saturn is posited in the succedent 11th house of friends and the Good Spirit = +
-Saturn is in its exaltation sign of Libra = +
-Saturn is in a bright degree of Libra = +
-Moon, querent's co-significator, flows toward Saturn and the Part of Fortune = +
-Moon is in an elevated degree of Virgo = +
-Moon is in sect, and in the angular 10th house of advance and uplifting = +
-Moon's next conjunction will be with the LOH/3rd house significator, Saturn = +
-Jupiter is in a dark degree of Taurus = -
-no applying aspect between Moon, Jupiter and Saturn = -
-in deference to our "standard horary" friends, ascendant is late = -
-"Lucky Strike" North Node is posited in the querent's house (1st whole sign house) = +
-stars:
a) Acumen conjunct ascending degree: a star of mixed influences, indictes posible lack of insight (blindness to the obvious) = -
b) querent's significator Jupiter conjunct Mirach, a constructive/benefic star of Venus quality = +
c) LOH/3rd house significator Saturn conjunct Caphir, a constructive/benefic star of Mercury+Venus qualities = +
...net testimonies re to stellar influences = +

Totals:
Positive testimonies = +13
Negative testimonies = -8
Net = +5 testimonies

...so, even with this wee bit more extensive examination into the reference chart, the totality of testimonies still comes up with a definitely favorable indication that this trip will result in Happiness for the querent...

To Amy:
My delineation simply means that in my opinion the indications from your horary question are that you will be happy if you go on this trip and make this renewal of friendship; that the indications are favorable for this trip and renewal to be a source of happiness for you.

[Amy]

Now Dr. Farr:

that was incredible - any astrologer would understand that. wow.

now...
could you please, explain this to me so that i can understand. please.

i would love to know what all this means and why do i feel that i dont want to go? is there something in my chart now - that shows these doubts.

thank you. i dont understand all that you said in those terms.

[dr. farr]

Originally Posted by Amy

Now Dr. Farr:

that was incredible - any astrologer would understand that. wow.

now...
could you please, explain this to me so that i can understand. please.

i would love to know what all this means and why do i feel that i dont want to go? is there something in my chart now - that shows these doubts.

thank you. i dont understand all that you said in those terms.

My delineation means:
-that the indications, taken in totality, are favorable for you to have a happy time and a successful rekindling of your friendship with Arthur if you go on the trip

-your internal doubts and self-conflicts about whether or not to go are shown in the delineation:
a) the star Acumen on the ascending degree points to you (the querent represented by the ascending sign) "not seeing clearly", not having the insight, to see the potential benefits of making this trip and renewing this friendship
b) you significator (the planet which symbolizes you) is Jupiter (because it is the ruling planet of the sign Sagittarius on your house, the first house of the chart) Jupiter (you) are in a dark degree of Taurus: shows depression and a pessimistic outlook; also you (Jupiter) are in the cadent 6th house: this house rules pets (your dogs), and also things like illness (which could refer to your older dog) and "slavery", in the sense of your (Jupiter's) "slavery" to a certain outlook about happiness and love, ie, pretty much your frame of mind for a while now

These factors which I have just describe could cause you not to do what the Cosmos (according to my delineation) says you should do, ie, go on this trip and renew this friendship.

Most of the rest of my delineation shows the hopeful and favorable POTENTIALS for you regarding this question, and what the likely outcome will be IF you choose to "see it" and not let your doubts and self-conflicts block you from taking this action.

[Amy]

thank you so much Dr. Farr,i am sitting here in tears worrying about my dog winnie (she is bandaged up, on medication, eating alittle more now, with a tube in her for the drainage to come out -infection) and she is crying actually LOOKING FOR PATTY, the little dog we had to give up, i guess she misses her.

and also because i feel so bad..so bad about the trauma i went through for two years now and thinking, i should just stay home, even though Vegas is exciting and IT IS JUST WHAT THE DOCTOR ORDERD. But to tell you the truth, if I dont hear from this guy soon, i will DEFINATELY NOT CALL HIM AND CANCEL.

Yes, if he calls me SOON, I will be happy and get my spirits up, but i do not want to be stranded at the airport on June 30th.

God Bless you and everyone who read my sorry chart.

thank you.

i am just going to wait until he calls me.

if he is still interested in our reunion...

[starlink]

Dear Dr.Farr! Thanks so much for that elaborate explanation. I can follow it and see from your point of view why you see what you see. Did you find this specific delineation technique somewhere or have you developed it yourself? I do like it, it is obviously a clearer way of coming to some sort of outcome. I am not an expert on Horary by far, but am very passionate and fond of it. It is to me "Sherlock Holmish" in a way. I love to dig into things (Scorpio Asc. and Moon, ruler of my 9th, in Scorpio, in the 12th house.!). As I dont know any other method, I just follow a mixture of Lilly, Frawley, ¨M.E.Jones (very tough material), Derek Appleby and Anthony Louis as well as my favorite Dutch astrologer Hamaker Zondag. I take from them what I find relevant and I try to keep everything as simply as possible. My Taurus Sun needs that!

I am curious to know what Amy will do or not do eventually and how things will end.
I have tried intercepted houses and somehow they seem to work (with my intuition I guess). That's why I thought that Saturn retro could in a way represent a smaller part of Amy which likes to withdraw from thîs whole thing. Just guessing here, but who knows!
Very nice to have gotten such a long answer! Yes, I am apparently going through a period whereby I do feel like looking into AW more often. See how long that lasts!!

All the very best! Starlink

[Amy]

Dr. Farr is a good friend to do this for me.

Many of my family and friends are curious also.

Like I feel, if I don't hear from this guy soon, yeah, i am definately going to cancel. I have been through alot of trauma in the past 2 years with so much, and even though this was a wonderful offer, and i desperately need the fun and attention, i will not go if i have to be alone just for the sake of going.

i have spent my share sitting in hotel rooms at night, crying my eyes out b because i was alone travelling.

i wish i was going with my dogs to the beach.....

[dr. farr]

Starlink:
I consider you one of the top half dozen expert horary astroloers here on AW! You have both a high degree of accuracy and a kind way, a humane way, of expressing your delineations, which often sets you apart from other horary experts. My respect for you is why I felt I must thoroughly explain my delineation and the reasons for each element of it, within the context of the alternative horary tradition I use.
I have called that tradition the "Ankara" or "Primary Ankara" horary method, but more correctly the historical term for it is "Ottoman" astrology, and, although I learned it as an oral tradition back in the 1970's, its literature is pretty much that of Islamic astrology-especially the horary branch-prior to the time of Guido Bonatti (mid 1200's)
Authors such as Alchabitius, Al-kindi, Abu'Mashar, Thabit ibn Qurra, Al-Biruni, Ibn Ezra, have similar concepts and practices to what I have called "Ankara" horary.

In Amy's case, this horary is one of several of a group of related horaries which date back to March of this year, and posted here on AW. For those horaries, most of our AW "standard horary" experts have rendered quite negative delineations; my alternative approach has delineated more positive-or at least potentially positive-likely outcomes. Obviously, here, someone will be proven correct and someone will be proven wrong, by the outcomes. But I do believe this: the querent will ultimately decide, by their actions, the outcome of these horaries: and it seems, with this person, that the negative horary delineations have been taken more to heart by her, than my positive ones. So, under the circumstances, these various negative outcome horary delineations might, unfortunately, become self-fulfilling prophecies....

[Amy]

per my PM

I AM GOING...ARTHUR CALLED THIS EVENING (there is a full moon out) AND HE SPOKE TO MY DAUGHTER WHEN I WAS NOT HOME AND THEY TALKED ABOUT MY DOGS.

When i got home i was so happy to hear that he had called and i called him back.

yes, he has been extremely busy with the business but he made sure that my hotel room was taken care of and i got the best view possible - he has arranged everything for my visit. he is getting tickets to shows and dinners and he has made many plans for US.

He wants to introduce me to his freinds and the people who work for him. i am so looking forwrd to seeing my childhood friend.

dont know if its because there is a FULL moon out now (BELLA LUNA) or what...but this day has become very magical.

my dog is doing better, taking medication, eating
my friend Arthur called and i feel so much happier about the trip that i look forward to going
an old boyfriend called - out of the blue, here in Phx and we are making plans to see each other soon.

thank you.
this has been an interesting day!

[dr. farr]

That is good news! Best wishes!