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Unread 05-26-2011, 12:46 AM
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Question sun-lilith aspects in synastry

i wonder your opinions about sun-lilith aspects in synasty.for example,if a man's lilith is opposite to a woman's sun,what does it mean? in conjunction,can we say that the man will see another woman who hurt him in the past when he look at the woman whom he is in relationship with? if we can say that,how can we interpret the opposition?

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Re: sun-lilith aspects in synastry

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in conjunction,can we say that the man will see another woman who hurt him in the past when he look at the woman whom he is in relationship with?
Why is that? Does anybody know more about this? What orbs are allowed with Lilith - Sun or Lilith - Moon aspects?

I have a close conjunction between my Sun and his Lilith (1° orb), and square between my Lilith and his Moon (1° orb). And I have no idea how to interpret this. Also my Lilith is in a very wide conjunction to his Sun (8° orb).

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Re: sun-lilith aspects in synastry

I never heard of them seeing another person who hurt them in the past - this may well be the case but not I've heard of it until now. The Lilith person may be like a temptation to the planet person, opposition give a choice as far as I understand. In this case, the man Lilith may be a temptation to the woman Sun. I don't know enough to determine if this is true, but I have found that sometimes the relationship may have a secretive aspect to it, or be taboo in some way. But the 'taboo' depends also on what is considered taboo in your culture. It may even challenge your ideas of what is taboo.... or ask you to break out of a restrictive way of thinking/viewing the world. Lilith, I feel, may like to liberate us from the ruts we find ourselves in, a bit like Uranus, but in a different way. Just a few of my own findings.
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Re: sun-lilith aspects in synastry

Thank you Neptune Rising, it does make sense in a way. What confuses me is the story of Lilith and the interpretation of her placement in a man's horoscope. I would say that in a woman's horoscope she represents her dark side, but in a man's horoscope she describes the kind of woman he is scared of and attracted to at the same time. So then maybe when a woman's Sun falls on a man's Lilith, he could see her as Lilith, feel that strange dangerous attraction and she could be the one who challenges his taboos (about relationships and women in general)?

But I'm still not sure how to interpret the aspect between woman's Lilith and a man's planet (for example Moon).
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Thank you Neptune Rising, it does make sense in a way. What confuses me is the story of Lilith and the interpretation of her placement in a man's horoscope. I would say that in a woman's horoscope she represents her dark side, but in a man's horoscope she describes the kind of woman he is scared of and attracted to at the same time. So then maybe when a woman's Sun falls on a man's Lilith, he could see her as Lilith, feel that strange dangerous attraction and she could be the one who challenges his taboos (about relationships and women in general)?

But I'm still not sure how to interpret the aspect between woman's Lilith and a man's planet (for example Moon).
Lilith doesn't always bring out a person's 'dark side'. And we need to know what the 'darkness' means in this term? Lilith can bring out a repressed side of us, male or female. The expression of this repression can be in any way, it depends on the freewill of the individual. For one person, they may express themselves artistically, the other may express themselves sexually, one may have an affair as a way of liberating a side of themselves, the other may take to writing poetry. It depends on what else is going on in the chart. Lilith is not always dangerous, this explaination is a stereotype and is the result of cultural doctrines and how they wanted to repress the divine feminine side of society which also includes intuition and very much getting in touch with our inner world - therefore gaining empowerment through self-understanding and self-acceptance.

How the male Lilith views the female Sun depends on how in touch he is with the divine feminine side of himself. He may accept this side of himself, but also likely with the opposition is he may project all those things onto her so he can work them out that way. Oppositions can offer us the chance to balance those opposing sides of ourselves.

Unfortunately, Lilith has often been a scapegoat also, due to the repressed nature of society when it considers the divine feminine. Though, nowadays, people are waking up to this more.
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Re: sun-lilith aspects in synastry

As I said, I don't know for sure, I'm just guessing having in mind the story of Lilith. And wherever I found anything about Lilith, it was always about "wild energies, sexuality, breaking taboos, perversity". Not art (that would be the Venus/Neptune's way) - sex.

So any new information about Lilith is welcome, especially in a man's chart.
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Re: sun-lilith aspects in synastry

Just giving my views based on my own research plus personal experience.


Mars is also sex. I personally don't follow the sterotypical explainations of Lilith, because they keep me within a box. They are interesting to consider, but as Lilith energy personifies, its also good to consider what is outside of that box. That is kind of what Lilith wants us to do. A bit like Uranus.


'Wild energies' can be expressed, as I mentioned, in any number of ways, depending on propensity of the individual's chart and transits at the time. Eg, if one needs to express themselves as the result of Lilith transit/synastry connection, and the only outlet is art, then art will find a way of being a channel for those wild energies. Its not just within the bounds of Venus/Neptune to express art. All need to be considered. If the person experience sexual energies and there is a willing partner, need I say no more? Depends on how the person expresses themselves at the time and what is available for them to channel their expression of the energies.
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Yes, Mars is sex and the way of expressing ourselves (and in a woman's chart it describes more the male energy she is attracted to sexually), but Lilith is different. Her sexuality is not like the one represented by Mars. Mars is always looking for his Venus, but Lilith has no pair. Her sexuality is forbidden. She was the first Adam's wife who didn't want to be inferior to him. She didn't want to repress her sexuality, as it was expected of her (and of women generally even today) and she didn't want to be the mother and the housewife (Moon). That's why her symbol is black Moon and we find Lilith in a point where Moon is farest from the Earth. It's the point where motherhood and gentleness dissappear and where rage and desire to be free from stereotypes come out. So I would say that in a woman's chart Lilith could be interpreted as a point where she becomes Lilith, while in a man's chart Lilith could describe the women that would be to him what Lilith was to Adam?
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Re: sun-lilith aspects in synastry

Id never looked at this before.
A former partner his lilith is almost conj my sun. (in aqua)
My lilith trines his mars.

we have a lot of uranus and mars contacts in our chart as well.
so I think this adds to it.
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Id never looked at this before.
A former partner his lilith is almost conj my sun. (in aqua)
My lilith trines his mars.

we have a lot of uranus and mars contacts in our chart as well.
so I think this adds to it.
How would you describe that relationship and how do you think he felt about you?
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Re: sun-lilith aspects in synastry

It is hard to break it down to just that aspect.

but there is a part of him that is i think fearful of me particularly when Im being my full on aqua sun(unpredictable behaviour etc) he will say'sometimes you are just crazy'

he has steillium in sag, me a stellium in pisces. his jupiter conjs my moon/mer in pisces and his juno conj my venus in pisces. we have been friends for 11 years.
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Re: sun-lilith aspects in synastry

I have it with one of my male friends who used to be my bf.

I have my lilith on 7 Gemini and my IC on 2 Gemini so they are in conjunction within 5 Degrees orb. I also have my Pluto on 0 Sagittarius so it conjuncts my MC and opposes my Lilith.

This guy has his Sun on 28 Taurus so his sun conjuncts my IC in 4 Degrees and my Lilith in 9 Degrees. His sun also opposes my Pluto in 2 Degrees orb.

His mars opposes his own Lilith in 3 Degrees as well.

In addition his eros-true node-ascendant conjunction is exactly on my sun.

Our relationship has always been a sexual one. We got acquainted by talking about sexuality and it was all about sexuality between us.

He had been sexually abused by his babysitter when he was 6. So he was traumatized, addicted to sex and he was always looking for a dominant female figure that can take care of him and be the upper hand.

Throughout our relationship he always pushed me to that Lilith role. Asked me to be ignorant, narcissistic self-centered and he literally wanted me to use him and even abuse him sexually.

When I ask him about his relationships he says this is the kind of woman he generally desires but he also says that something in me, some vibe he gets from me triggers that fantasies of his and he craves me to abuse him more then anything.
I was thinking that this can be due to his sun affected by my Lilith - Pluto opposition.

I am at no level a femme fatal and I never got it how he was thinking of me that way.
And as Lilith side I was always overwhelmed by his desires and anticipations from me. And I found this guiding attitudes of him pretty manipulative. I harshly felt that my own sexuality was repressed by his inducements and I mostly run away from him simply because he was really trying hard to bring that femme fatale qualities of mine to the surface which he claimed that I have but somehow buried. He always kept saying that I have strong femme fatale qualities (again I believe this is because of my Lilith touches his sun.) and I always kept being distant to him because I felt a pressure on me and I felt that I could never express my true self with him. Even though I liked him and maybe loved him I just couldn't help myself but wanted to be detached at most points.

I think Lilith is all about giving up on your love for the sake of saving your personality.
I think she is not the femme fatale character as people think of her but she is the one who rebels against being repressed. She is at no level the femme dome character like bdsm addicts fantasizes and nor she is the hypersexual, man craving female.

I have always been articulate and straightforward about my sexuality not to attract men's attention but because I felt humiliated by patriarchy.
So I believe this "brave" traits of Lilith is misunderstood by the male perspective and Lilith became thereby a ridiculed underestimated character.

This power struggles between us may also be due to Pluto- sun opposition which is a very hard aspect as well. But I believe that Lilith was also effectively involved and his own natal mars-lilith opposition is one of the reasons of this situation.

I think Lilith is a very strong element in astrology and she must always be examined and taken into consideration when reading a chart.

I also read some charts which has Lilith in 7. House the owners of that charts are exactly the persons who usually takes my take on that particular relationship with this guy in their general relationships.

And when you have a Lilith contact in a synastry chart take this point as the point where you must give the Lilith person a lot of freedom.
Because whatever planets of yours is activating the other persons lilith, that planets role and traits in your personality may be regarded as too hard, offensive overwhelming by the other person.
For example if your moon is in conjunction with your partner's lilith try not to look too needy or emotional to your mate because your moon's outlets may be taken as the reasons to get separated by your partner

I also read a chart with strict moon-Lilith conjunction which ended up badly. Because the Lilith person claimed that the moon person was too needy and soppy. And finally the moon person was deeply wounded and she had a huge heart breaking due to him.

I had my last bf's 7. House Lilith in opposition with my moon in 9 Degrees orb. He also has his Lilith in conjunction with his descendant in 8 Degrees orb.
I couldn't keep being with him do to his extremely detached attitudes. He never embraced me never understood my emotions moon qualities and claimed that I am too sentimental and needy so ended our relationship.

So Lilith is kinda kethu in vedic astrology it is where you give up, where you sacrifice things to protect your own being.
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Re: sun-lilith aspects in synastry

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i wonder your opinions about sun-lilith aspects in synasty.for example,if a man's lilith is opposite to a woman's sun,what does it mean? in conjunction,can we say that the man will see another woman who hurt him in the past when he look at the woman whom he is in relationship with? if we can say that,how can we interpret the opposition?
My ex's lilith squared my sun by below zero degrees. Our BMLs squared eachother's. His lilith is opposite to my Ascendent by three to four degrees. And if I think his ascendent is where I think it is(I don't know when he was born but I just know that he was born in the afternoon), His ascendent would be square my lilith.

Anyways, I met him when transiting lilith entered my first house and the relationship ended when lilith entered my second house. I think both of us played out lilith, with him starting and triggering me to play out lilith.

So basically, I started off as a chubby young adult, that dressed awkwardly, clueless about sex. Our relationship ended as I lost weight, started being and acting more edgy, and started to subconsciously partake in more games.(it's hard to explain) The relationship ended when he thought I cheated on him which I didn't. Now, I still suffer from body weight issues even though I'm a pound underweight, I spend a lot of money on clothes, and I have to look my best, act my best, be the most intelligent, basically be on top of my game.

Anyways, let me explain to you some of what was going on in the relationship behind the background. The man triggered my subconscious insecurities, and it caused me to be someone I never was before. He triggered very very dark emotions that I channeled to change and transform myself completely. Once that transformation was in full effect, (also due to me simply hanging out with one guy friend, and me getting hit on more), he realized that he couldn't emotionally or even physically control a chubby young adult with self esteem issues and low boundaries because I never was her anymore. So he left me. This also happened just as lilith went out of my first house.

To me, he was lilith. But you have to understand that Lilith has the power to control every aspect of the person she's trying to seduce, whether it's his sexual instincts or emotions. That's what was happening to me. And him playing out the incubus role was controlling my sexuality, and my emotions. However, because I feared losing control, I somehow tried to take on the role of the succubus, femme fatale, etc but ended up losing him instead.

But again, I have BML opposite sun, square ascendent and conjunct my MC. It's who I was meant to become. So that probably was the only purpose of this relationship, I suppose. Remember we attract other people in order to conjure up a part of our chart.

He probably attracted me into his life in order to deal with the issues he had with controlling women or various lovers. Since he doesn't have money, he used sex appeal and emotional manipulation to lure in lovers to him. That's something he needs to deal with.

Bottom line, underneath all of these pluto and lilith femme fatales, sucubuses, players, and incubuses lies a huge amount of insecurity and emotional chaos that they are just trying to cope with.
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