Will he accept my Facebook friends request?

ALST123 · #1 05-12-2011, 05:26 PM

Hi everyone,

This is related to my latest thread "Will he make a move on me?".

As I said I have liked this guy FOREVER. Certain things have got in the way of our getting together. I think he likes me and is wondering what to do about it (considering the obstacles). We are in the process of getting to know each other, but already work with each other. That is the main reason we're tip-toeing around each other, really. I have already asked a psychic about him, and she said he is interested in me, but is confused and has baggage. What that baggage is, I don't know.

I would like him to become my facebook friend as it will provide more of a shorthand way of us getting to know each other outside work. I think it will also give him the confidence to ask me out.

Anyway, looking at the chart it looks like a "yes" to me because:-

a) There is mutual reception (Venus/Mars in each others' dignity).
b) Venus/Mars also conjunct by moiety.
c) Venus is applying to a conjunction with Mars.
d) Venus is in 7th House/His 1st = me sending him the friends request.
e) Moon (in h11 = friendship) is in applying trine to Sun, who exalts Moon.
f) Moon exalts & receives Mercury (H11 ruler = friendship, H9 ruler = teaching - we're both teachers). Mercury also rules communication.
g) Mercury is separating from conjunction with Jupiter (H3 ruler = communication & H5 ruler = dating), applying to a conjunction with Venus (me) and also Mars (him). It's like the friends request has left Jupiter (which perhaps symbolizes facebook here) and is applying to conjunct (join together) Venus (me) and Mars (him) at the same time.
h) No-one is combust.
i) Sun receives Venus.

All v. positive!

BUT:-

End of the matter is Saturn (blurr!) which is rx and in h12/h6. Meaning that something is restricting and delaying this. Saturn strikes me as anchoring the speed of the situation here. Saturn is exalted (happy) in Libra, however, so less malefic.

Maybe Saturn symbolizes the baggage, the nature of which as yet, is unknown to me... (h12).

If the answer is indeed yes, can anyone give a clue as to the timing?

Many thanks,
Ax.

SagiCap · #2 05-12-2011, 06:58 PM

I hope you don't mind, I was just thinking of something along the lines of Facebook, friendship and love. It's not astro-related because I don't have sufficient time to look at the chart right now at work....

I would never want to make a guy I'm interested in a Facebook friend. It does many counter-productive things:

1. Gives him insight into you (you're no longer mysterious)
2. It puts him in the friend category
3. Why do you want to see all his alliances w/other women and do that to yourself?
4. If you pursue him as a friend, he'll know for sure you're interested. Never be the pursuer.... Men like to take initiative and "earn" what/who they want. Let him have that. lol!

Just that for now. My 0.02 cents. Not that you asked, lol! I will look at the chart for you soon. Take care!

ALST123 · #3 05-12-2011, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by SagiCap

I hope you don't mind, I was just thinking of something along the lines of Facebook, friendship and love. It's not astro-related because I don't have sufficient time to look at the chart right now at work....

I would never want to make a guy I'm interested in a Facebook friend. It does many counter-productive things:

1. Gives him insight into you (you're no longer mysterious)
2. It puts him in the friend category
3. Why do you want to see all his alliances w/other women and do that to yourself?
4. If you pursue him as a friend, he'll know for sure you're interested. Never be the pursuer.... Men like to take initiative and "earn" what/who they want. Let him have that. lol!

Just that for now. My 0.02 cents. Not that you asked, lol! I will look at the chart for you soon. Take care!

Hi,

Thanks for your 2 cents.

Would really like you to look at the chart pls. I don't know, Facebook just seemed like a good idea :S

misskitty · #4 05-13-2011, 03:35 AM

I must agree with Sagi Cap, and also I don't believe horary was ever intended for something as frivolous as a Facebook friend request.

tikana · #5 05-13-2011, 04:17 AM

Hi all

this chart is very much valid and radical

Venus lord of 1st house in 7th verifies that the querent went to the other side. Querent went after the quested

moon trines sun - that is good

then merc will bring mars and venus together plus Venus and mars are mutual reception

i;d say yeah he will

T

dr. farr · #6 05-13-2011, 06:05 AM

(Following is not in accordance with standard horary delineation and uses whole sign house format)

I'll use the Lot of Acceptation to delineate this question:

-HIS Lot of Acceptation (LOA), using the whole sign cusp of the 7th house (his signifying house) as "ascendant" (day formula = asc+venus-jupiter) falls @ 23 Taurus
-his LOA is in his succedent 2nd house = + testimony (+ = yes he will accept)
-his significator, Mars, flows toward the LOA, is disposited by the querent's significator (and the LOA significator, Venus) and is sign-conjunct the LOA, all this = + testimony
-the LOA dispositor, Venus, is posited in his signifying house (+), but in detriment (-), but also the LOA dispositor is the same planet (Venus) as the querent's significator (+), so this all = net + testimony
-Venus flows toward the LOA = + testimony
-LOA is in a pitted degree (this might indicate a delay in his action regarding this matter) = - testimony
-LOA is in a void degree of Taurus = net neutral testimony
-Venus is in a bright degree of Aries (+), Mars is in a dark degree of Taurus (-) which = net neutral testimony
-Moon flows away from all significators = - testimony

Results:
Positive = +4 testimonies
Negative = -2 testimonies
Net = +2 testimonies

With a net +2 the indications are favorable that he will accept the FB friendship requestion of the querent, although there might be some delay (possibly) in his doing so...

ALST123 · #7 05-13-2011, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by misskitty

I must agree with Sagi Cap, and also I don't believe horary was ever intended for something as frivolous as a Facebook friend request.

Hi,

Thanks for your answer, but I don't agree. Especially in this case when the motivation behind the Friends Request is more serious than usual.

Smiles,
Ax.

ALST123 · #8 05-13-2011, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by tikana

Hi all

this chart is very much valid and radical

Venus lord of 1st house in 7th verifies that the querent went to the other side. Querent went after the quested

moon trines sun - that is good

then merc will bring mars and venus together plus Venus and mars are mutual reception

i;d say yeah he will

T

Hello again, Tik

Absolutely agree about Venus being in h7. I am the one requesting his "Friendship".

I agree on your aspect points, too, and with your conclusion.

I'll keep the thread updated

Thanks,
Ax.

ALST123 · #9 05-13-2011, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dr. farr

(Following is not in accordance with standard horary delineation and uses whole sign house format)

I'll use the Lot of Acceptation to delineate this question:

-HIS Lot of Acceptation (LOA), using the whole sign cusp of the 7th house (his signifying house) as "ascendant" (day formula = asc+venus-jupiter) falls @ 23 Taurus
-his LOA is in his succedent 2nd house = + testimony (+ = yes he will accept)
-his significator, Mars, flows toward the LOA, is disposited by the querent's significator (and the LOA significator, Venus) and is sign-conjunct the LOA, all this = + testimony
-the LOA dispositor, Venus, is posited in his signifying house (+), but in detriment (-), but also the LOA dispositor is the same planet (Venus) as the querent's significator (+), so this all = net + testimony
-Venus flows toward the LOA = + testimony
-LOA is in a pitted degree (this might indicate a delay in his action regarding this matter) = - testimony
-LOA is in a void degree of Taurus = net neutral testimony
-Venus is in a bright degree of Aries (+), Mars is in a dark degree of Taurus (-) which = net neutral testimony
-Moon flows away from all significators = - testimony

Results:
Positive = +4 testimonies
Negative = -2 testimonies
Net = +2 testimonies

With a net +2 the indications are favorable that he will accept the FB friendship requestion of the querent, although there might be some delay (possibly) in his doing so...

Hi Dr Farr,

That's a very interesting interp, thanks. I have not used Lots before. Are they the same as Arabic Points? I also have no idea what pitted, void, dark or bright degrees are, but am very interested to learn.

Your "- testimonies" do explain a lot, however. LOA being in pitted & void degrees would perhaps explain his hesitation. It's now been 4 days since I requested him and there's been no action as far as I can see (unless he's just pressed "Not now" and hidden me - I would have no way of knowing that). I feel like I am waiting "in a void" for his acceptance/decline. I think he is aware of the request (just a vibe I get), but is dithering about it. We have both had a very important and busy working week, however, and it may only be now that he starts thinking about it.

Mars being in a dark degree of Taurus, maybe explains his feelings for me remaining secret as of yet. I am a good judge of body language, however, and pretty much know what he feels. He may or may not have acknowledged this within his own mind.

I noticed the Moon flowing away from the sigs. That did concern me. Perhaps all the relationship type stuff going on in h7 will not be dealt with for the time being, but the Moon trining sun shows he will accept as an event. What's going on in H7 shows the background motivations on both sides.

What do you think? Thanks for your answer.

misskitty · #10 05-13-2011, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ALST123

Hi,

Thanks for your answer, but I don't agree. Especially in this case when the motivation behind the Friends Request is more serious than usual.

Smiles,
Ax.

That's exactly my point. You aren't asking what you truly want to know, you are side stepping the heart of your real question because you had already asked whether or not something would happen between you two. The original chart has the final answer. You essentially asked the same question twice then.

dr. farr · #11 05-14-2011, 02:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ALST123

Hi Dr Farr,

That's a very interesting interp, thanks. I have not used Lots before. Are they the same as Arabic Points? I also have no idea what pitted, void, dark or bright degrees are, but am very interested to learn.

Your "- testimonies" do explain a lot, however. LOA being in pitted & void degrees would perhaps explain his hesitation. It's now been 4 days since I requested him and there's been no action as far as I can see (unless he's just pressed "Not now" and hidden me - I would have no way of knowing that). I feel like I am waiting "in a void" for his acceptance/decline. I think he is aware of the request (just a vibe I get), but is dithering about it. We have both had a very important and busy working week, however, and it may only be now that he starts thinking about it.

Mars being in a dark degree of Taurus, maybe explains his feelings for me remaining secret as of yet. I am a good judge of body language, however, and pretty much know what he feels. He may or may not have acknowledged this within his own mind.

I noticed the Moon flowing away from the sigs. That did concern me. Perhaps all the relationship type stuff going on in h7 will not be dealt with for the time being, but the Moon trining sun shows he will accept as an event. What's going on in H7 shows the background motivations on both sides.

What do you think? Thanks for your answer.

-Yes, "Lots" are the same as Arabic Parts; they were originally referred to as Lots by the Greeks, who seem to have first developed them
-every degree of the zodiac has certain "qualities", which once were paid a great deal of attention by old time astrologers; I have listed and explained the concept of "elevated and pitted degrees" in a thread by that title in the Dignities and Debilities section of the Natal Astrology Forum
-the old timers also allocated lightness, darkness and "empty" qualities to each degree of the zodiac, and applied these as additional testimonies in delineations (lightness = bright degrees, darkness = dark or shadowy degrees)
-I do get from this horary chart that he is very likely holding back or blocking frank expression of feelings relative to you, and that this is resulting in delay on his part, in all kinds of things regarding you; he is self-conflicted, I think, about you in general, and I think it will be up to you to take actions in order to change that...

ALST123 · #12 05-14-2011, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by dr. farr

-Yes, "Lots" are the same as Arabic Parts; they were originally referred to as Lots by the Greeks, who seem to have first developed them
-every degree of the zodiac has certain "qualities", which once were paid a great deal of attention by old time astrologers; I have listed and explained the concept of "elevated and pitted degrees" in a thread by that title in the Dignities and Debilities section of the Natal Astrology Forum
-the old timers also allocated lightness, darkness and "empty" qualities to each degree of the zodiac, and applied these as additional testimonies in delineations (lightness = bright degrees, darkness = dark or shadowy degrees)
-I do get from this horary chart that he is very likely holding back or blocking frank expression of feelings relative to you, and that this is resulting in delay on his part, in all kinds of things regarding you; he is self-conflicted, I think, about you in general, and I think it will be up to you to take actions in order to change that...

Yes, self-conflicted is a very good way of putting it. He won't tell me how, though. If he would I could sort it out.

I will check out your thread on degree types. It sounds most interesting.

ALST123 · #13 05-17-2011, 10:03 PM

Ok,

So what does everyone think about timing for this question, then? We all seem pretty agreed that he will accept the request. Let's test it out.

Venus & Mars are 5 degrees apart. What does that translate to? I've read that angular houses can mean either short time spans (meaning the action is happening thick and fast) or long time spans (i.e. not quickly fading away like a cadent house). So I'm none the wiser there.

Aries is a cardinal sign, so I would expect a fast timescale there too. Taurus is obviously fixed, however, so that would say not so fast to me. Again, I'm none the wiser.

Knowing the reality of the situation, I might expect 5 weeks (as it's certainly not been 5 days - he still hasn't accepted).

Thanks, everyone

dr. farr · #14 05-18-2011, 04:51 AM

(Following is not in accordance with standard horary delineation and uses whole sign house format)

I'll estimate using the chart distance from the querent's significator, Venus, to the Lot of Acceptation, using symbolic progression (rather than actual astronomical time) and allocating 1 degree = 1 day:
Venus @ 26 Aries, Lot of Acceptation @ 23 Taurus, distance = 27 degrees, so my time-estimate is 27 days (that is, by June 8, 2011) If he has not accepted by that date I would renew your offer (on the chance that he did not actually receive your first invitation)

ALST123 · #15 05-18-2011, 07:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dr. farr

(Following is not in accordance with standard horary delineation and uses whole sign house format)

I'll estimate using the chart distance from the querent's significator, Venus, to the Lot of Acceptation, using symbolic progression (rather than actual astronomical time) and allocating 1 degree = 1 day:
Venus @ 26 Aries, Lot of Acceptation @ 23 Taurus, distance = 27 degrees, so my time-estimate is 27 days (that is, by June 8, 2011) If he has not accepted by that date I would renew your offer (on the chance that he did not actually receive your first invitation)

Ok, wow thanks Dr Farr. Interestingly, his birthday is June 4th. Let's see what happens!

ALST123 · #16 06-09-2011, 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dr. farr

(Following is not in accordance with standard horary delineation and uses whole sign house format)

I'll estimate using the chart distance from the querent's significator, Venus, to the Lot of Acceptation, using symbolic progression (rather than actual astronomical time) and allocating 1 degree = 1 day:
Venus @ 26 Aries, Lot of Acceptation @ 23 Taurus, distance = 27 degrees, so my time-estimate is 27 days (that is, by June 8, 2011) If he has not accepted by that date I would renew your offer (on the chance that he did not actually receive your first invitation)

hmmm, nothing doing as yet. Wondering if it might be 27 weeks then..,?

dr. farr · #17 06-10-2011, 03:00 AM

In my opinion the "delay"(and the causes behind it) I mentioned in my original delineation ,has become the reality; if he has not responded by now, then I restate what I wrote above, that you should renew your invitation to him (his self-conflicted condition in this matter might have not just delayed, but rather actually blocked his response) If there is no quick acceptance of your renewed invitation, then my original favorable delineation regarding the likelihood of him accepting your invitation, was simply incorrect (I do not believe anything would be gained by taking a 27 week alternative time estimation, and waiting all that additional time)

tikana · #18 06-10-2011, 10:39 AM

ya know what

i skrewed up

Mercury and Venus do not meet until venus and merc end up at 00 26
which put this as evasion - i should have looked

so No he wont add you

If venus had met merc even at 29.59, it would have been a yes, but now it is evasion which is one of the prohibitions.

sorry
T

ALST123 · #19 06-10-2011, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by tikana

ya know what

i skrewed up

Mercury and Venus do not meet until venus and merc end up at 00 26
which put this as evasion - i should have looked

so No he wont add you

If venus had met merc even at 29.59, it would have been a yes, but now it is evasion which is one of the prohibitions.

sorry
T

That's ok Tik, thanks for replying. So do you mean that he's avoiding adding me?

tikana · #20 06-10-2011, 10:28 PM

i am almost thinking he is not even interested. Yeah i think so avoiding you. He def got it and read it.

T

ALST123 · #21 06-11-2011, 04:48 PM

Thanks, Tik. Yes I'm getting the same vibe. I am starting to wonder whether he is the man I thought he was. Maybe I put him on a pedestal or something... Wonder if Neptune is involved...

ALST123 · #22 07-24-2011, 09:33 AM

Well, he finally accept it yesterday

I had to speak to him about it first (so I wonder if Mercury indicates that). In the chart, Mars & Venus meet at 9 degrees Taurus - so still within the house concerned, with Venus being in the strong position (mars receives Venus in Taurus).

I actually spoke to him about it about a week ago. In the chart, you'll see that Mercury overtakes Venus and (I think) translates the light between Venus and Mars before the Venus/Mars conjunction.

Interestingly, I spoke to him about it on "his turf". Perhaps that's partly why everything is in my h7/his h1.

With Mars receiving Venus so strongly, I am wondering whether he consequently has strong feelings for me.

tikana · #23 07-24-2011, 09:41 AM

did you talk to him before he added you?

cause it is wierd i saw yes in 1st chart yet double guessed and reversed it

it did seem like a change of circomstances of some sort .. well that validates "I had to speak to him about it first (so I wonder if Mercury indicates that)."

dr. farr · #24 07-25-2011, 03:42 AM

Seems the indication in my delineation for renewing the offer, was in fact what was needed. That he rather quickly (within a week) accepted your renewed invitation tends to support that the direction of my originally favorable delineation, was correct.
Relative to his feelings for you, in my opinion that would require a seperate and specific question.

rafaella · #25 07-25-2011, 06:22 AM

Well done Dr Farr! Your method seemed right on with delay interpreted and also the renewal of offer.... :-)

Well I think as Venus and Mars conjunt but only after Venus changes signs does point to you getting to him only after you change something -which was you speaking with him.

Also Mercury does translate the light between Venus and Mars, but in this chart Mercury is not quite translating the light of Venus as it is yet to first conjucnt Venus - showing the initial action which would bring you and him together on FB has not started yet. At the time of the question you had not spoken to him, so Mercury represents you speaking with him (communication)....only after you take action and speak with him can then Mercury (your communication) bring you both together....