Will he contact me

[vivi]

will he contact me? and if so- when?

[danashock]

im not sure when exactly but seems like he is repressing alot of anger and thats maybe why he stopped contacting u to begin with.. having mercury ,jupiter and uranus in aries currently could speed things up but take precaution for an aggressive response

[Vista]

Originally Posted by vivi

will he contact me? and if so- when?

I think it's a no. Mercury you is separating from Jupiter him. Moon representative of action is opposing Sun the natural ruler of men. The natural ruler of women is Venus and there are no aspects that represent him applying to Venus. If anything because of Moon opposing Sun it would be more likely that you will contact him I think. One other thing, Mars is in his 7th, perhaps there is someone else in the picture now.

[Spicadilly]

I agree with the posters. Mars his 3rd of communication is not making applying aspects so no contact in the next few months. Mars also being in his house seperating an opposition to you Moon shows the difficult coms 7 degee, maybe 7 days ago? He may be thinking of that event but for now won't act on it.

[vivi]

Thank you for your responses.
He didn't contact me. 2-3 weeks ago we had a misunderstanding and after that nothing from him..I was thinking to contact him but i don't know if is smart to do so...it is about my ex who contacted me first after several months after we broke up.

[dr. farr]

(Following is not in accordance with standard horary practice and uses whole sign house format)

-querent = 1st house = Virgo = mercury
-his communications (3rd from 7th whole sign house) = Taurus = Venus
-and in this chart I'll follow Ibn Ezra and assign the Moon to the quesited (him)
-Mercury in applying sextile to Venus = + testimony
-Moon posited in querent's signifying house/sign (Virgo) = + testimony
So by this delineation I find the indications are that "yes he will contact you"
When?
-degree distance from Venus to Mercury, at 1 day per degree = 56 = within 56 days (8 weeks) of the date of the question.

[virgo18]

I think, yes he will contact you !

-Mercury conjunct Jupiter
-Moon is not aspecting Jupiter neither Mercury, but placed in the 1st, and being the moon the ruler of the question, I will say the result will be as you desire to be.

[DiDi]

hi virgo18

I just wanted to clarify a few things here

mercury has past jupiter and is moving away from it so it shows a past event.

Moon is not aspecting Jupiter neither Mercury, but placed in the 1st, and being the moon the ruler of the question, I will say the result will be as you desire to be

moon is in the first showing the emotions of the person involved
you dont get your wish in a horay because the moon is in the first house.. although i wish it would lol

whats going on here is moon her second significator has just past an opposition with his 3rd ruler of communication mars.. showing a falling our of some type.
the moon is a timer also it shows the events that happen and it will next opp the sun ruler of her 12th house and natrual ruler of men.
I dont know enough about what moon opp 12h means, it could mean finding our a secret not sure.

[SagiCap]

When was the chart done? The data is omitted? I ask because if Mercury is about to go retro (on the 30th) during the span of this chart (I can't figure that out yet...) then she may try to contact him. HOWEVER, in my experience, conjunctions in Aries without good receptions are not good. Sorry Vivi. Maybe ask in a few months?

[dr. farr]

The considerations regarding the Moon are one of the major differences between standard horary and the pre-13th century early Islamic horary methods (such as the Ankara tradition) In these, the Moon is USUALLY co-significator of the querent BUT can be co-significator of the quesited instead (12th century Ibn Ezra went so far as to make the Moon always the co-significator of the quesited!) So, in this particular chart I used the Moon as quesited co-significator, found it in the querent's signfying house/sign (the first) and accorded this + testimony-which is different than the teachings of standard horary (lily-esque horary), which DiDi accurately mentioned in her posting, above. Simply a different way of looking at horary indications...

[vivi]

Originally Posted by SagiCap

When was the chart done?

I asked question 19.3.2011. at 15:58.


* Thank you all for your answers.
He didn't contact me, I didn't contact him...
if something change I'll let you know

[SagiCap]

Originally Posted by Vista

IOne other thing, Mars is in his 7th, perhaps there is someone else in the picture now.

Why would Mars represent another person do you think? The ruler of his 5th, that we usually take for the other person, is Moon. I actually think that because the question was "Will he contact me?" His "contact" would be ruler of his 3rd, Mars. Mars is in his 1st - so his "contact" stays with him, does nothing and doesn't leave him. It's a malefic, so the contact is probably something you don't want anyway, possibly angry. Also, Jupiter (him) is in his in his possessions house, 2nd. He "keeps" himself for him. A Jupiter person is a good, benefic, upstanding person that doesn't want to hurt anyone. True he's in Aries, more angry than usual, but he holds this within him with the 1st and 2nd placements prominent. Perhaps this is the reason he's not making the "angry" contact in the first place.

Let him get over it. He's probably a nice guy and that will happen sooner than later. Men need more time to change their emotional stances anyway. B r e a t h i n g room. Thinking positively, it will most likely get better. Good luck.

[Vista]

Originally Posted by SagiCap

Why would Mars represent another person do you think? The ruler of his 5th, that we usually take for the other person, is Moon. I actually think that because the question was "Will he contact me?" His "contact" would be ruler of his 3rd, Mars. Mars is in his 1st - so his "contact" stays with him, does nothing and doesn't leave him. It's a malefic, so the contact is probably something you don't want anyway, possibly angry. Also, Jupiter (him) is in his in his possessions house, 2nd. He "keeps" himself for him. A Jupiter person is a good, benefic, upstanding person that doesn't want to hurt anyone. True he's in Aries, more angry than usual, but he holds this within him with the 1st and 2nd placements prominent. Perhaps this is the reason he's not making the "angry" contact in the first place.

Let him get over it. He's probably a nice guy and that will happen sooner than later. Men need more time to change their emotional stances anyway. B r e a t h i n g room. Thinking positively, it will most likely get better. Good luck.

i was looking at Lilly's work, although there isn't anything about the man cheating it's always about the woman(we're talking 15th or 16th century here). He says: If one's lover or wife has a sweetheart besides himself: "See if Mars be in the 7th house, so that he be not in his own house, then she has one."

[Vista]

Originally Posted by Vista

i was looking at Lilly's work, although there isn't anything about the man cheating it's always about the woman(we're talking 15th or 16th century here). He says: If one's lover or wife has a sweetheart besides himself: "See if Mars be in the 7th house, so that he be not in his own house, then she has one."

Of course this isn't the question you asked so maybe it doesn't apply. That I am not sure about...

[vivi]

* Update: He contact me (e-mail) today.

[virgo18]

Originally Posted by vivi

* Update: He contact me (e-mail) today.

Thanks for the update
I knew that he will contact you.

[misskitty]

Can any of our resident experts explain why this is a 'yes?'

[dr. farr]

From the Ankara tradition (primary Ankara horary) I did explain, in my post of March 24th; although of course many would certainly not consider me to be one of AW's resident horary experts!...

Notice that a key element in my delineation was my use of the Moon as QUESITED co-significator...yet this is (or rather, was) an available horary application of the Moon among the early (pre-13th century) practitioners-you can even read about it in Ibn Ezra's 120 aphorisms (on skyscript), as well as in his book, "The Beginning of Wisdom"...and I learned of it as an available Lunar application when I learned about the Ankara tradition, back in the 1970's...I'll say now, that using the Moon as co-significator of the quesited, can be a very useful tool; but one has to make the decision about whether to do this, or to do the usual (Moon as querent's co-significator), there are no hard and fast, rulebook type guidelines on when to make the one application, and when instead to make the other application.

Addendum:
(Following is a test of the experimental Walis Magic 8 Ball astro-divination method and is not standard horary; following uses whole sign house format)

Since this is now a known-outcome question (yes he did contact the querent), let's see what the Magic 8 Ball would have indicated:

-I would have taken the 3rd from the 7th as representing his communications; 3rd from 7th is under Taurus which = Venus which = a "yes" answer by 8 Ball rules
-one could simply have taken the 7th house to represent him vis-a vis the querent: if this had been done, 7th = Pisces which = Jupiter, also a "yes" answer according to the 8 Ball.

With either relevant signifying house (3rd from 7th, or just the 7th) the Magic 8 Ball method gave a correct "yes" answer/prediction to this question.

[SagiCap]

Originally Posted by vivi

* Update: He contact me (e-mail) today.

Hi Vivi,

Would you mind giving detail about how this happened (as much as you're comfortable with giving, of course) to help us all learn from this?

2 things:

I would specifically like to know if he replied back to you (after you initiated) or if you hadn't spoken and this came out of the blue.

Also - how did it happen.

I had a very recent chart asking if the guy I like will reply to a gallery showing invite of my artwork (it asked if people could come) and it showed great positivity but not a reply to my email. We trined as signifactors but my msg. signifactor opposed him. He ended up contacting me on his own soon after.

I'm glad it worked out for you. Hopefully, more to come! Good luck.

[26Degree]

There's a translation of light between Mercury and Jupiter via retrograding Saturn (5th house ruler)--SaturnRx was separated from Mercury and applied by Jupiter in opposition. I'd like to know what the tone of his email message is like...

[misskitty]

I most certainly do consider you a 'resident expert' dr. farr! However I would like to know why this was a 'yes' using both traditional and the more non-traditional methods. My fear is that a lot of times here at AW we look at the charts too quickly and make snap judgements, when a more thorough look would be more accurate. I've seen it happen a few times where the AW consensus was wrong (not berating anyone here- just saying) and then after the fact when the consensus was proven wrong people come back and say "Oh of course because of [insert hindsight here]." So, I would just like to know how a more accurate reading could have been given here. Of course, there is also the chance that this chart was never valid in the first place, and just happened to not show any obvious strictures?

26Degree- where have you read that Saturn could translate light? I thought only the Moon could translate light.

[dr. farr]

Although I certainly am no expert in traditionalist horary-this is certain!-I will say that, looking at the reference chart and trying to apply what I remember from my previous traditionalist studies (Lilly, Simmonite), and looking at the chart in quadrant house format (Placidus) there are no applying aspects involving the significators (querent = Mercury; quesited = 3rd from the 7th which cusp falls in Aries, therefore = Mars) and the querent's co-significator Moon (following traditionalist rules re to the Moon as always being querent's, and never quesited's, co-significator) is seperating from opposition to the quesited Mars; I cannot see how this COULD have been delineated as a yes answer, at least in my (perhaps limited) understanding of standard horary practice. Even if you substitute non-signfying house lords by generic significator planets (Sun, Venus) there are no applying aspects, unless you say that since the Moon is in the querent's house, and is the querent's co-significator, it is applying to him as the Sun: but the problem here is that this is an applying opposition! Not symbolically very favorably indicative of him (the Sun) contacting her (the Moon)! Taking Mercury as universal symbol of communication, we find it placed in the 8th (Placidus) house-not favorable for new action!-and, again, we find no aspects between Mercury and the Moon nor between Mercury and Mars-so how could this be stretched to indicate a yes answer to the question?

....but I don't follow standard/traditionalist horary, so its not right for me to attempt to explain how standard horary might have found a yes answer to this question.

[RayAustin]

Originally Posted by 26Degree

There's a translation of light between Mercury and Jupiter via retrograding Saturn (5th house ruler)--SaturnRx was separated from Mercury and applied by Jupiter in opposition. I'd like to know what the tone of his email message is like...

There's no way a slower planet can translate light to a faster one.

Lilly writes of translation (CA., p.111)

Translation of light and nature is, when a light Planet separates from a more weighty one, and presently joins to another more heavy; and its in this manner, Let Saturn be in 20. degree. of Aries: Mars in 15 of Aries, and Mercury in 16 of Aries; here Mercury being a swift Planet separates from Mars, and translates the virtue of Mars unto Saturn. Its done also as well by any Aspect as by Conjunction. And the meaning hereof in judgment, is no more then thus; That if the matter or thing were promised by Saturn, then such a man as is signified by Mercury shall procure all the assistance a Mars man can do unto Saturn, whereby the business may be the better effected; in Marriages, Lawsuits, and indeed in all vulgar questions Translation, is of great use, and ought well to be considered.

It can only do collection; Lilly states Saturn (or whichever collecting planet) must be in the 2 planets' dignities as well. I'm pretty sure both the two planets must be applying only. So Saturn doesn't qualify.

Collection of Light

Where two planets, whether applying, separating or making no aspect to each other, both apply by to a third planet that "collects their light" and thereby establishes a relationship between the two.

Lilly writes of collection (CA., p.126)

Matters are also brought to perfection, when as the two principall Significators doe not behold one another, but both cast their severall Aspects to a more weighty Planet then themselves, and they both receive him in some of their essential dignities; then shall that Planet who thus collects both their Lights, bring the thing demanded to perfection: which signifies no more in Art then this, that a Person somewhat interested in both parties and described and signified by that Planet, shall perform, effect and conclude the thing which otherwise could not be perfected: As many times you see two fall at variance, and of themselves cannot think of any way of accommodation, when suddenly a neighbour or friend accidentally reconciles all differences, to the content of both parties: And this is called Collection.

[RayAustin]

Originally Posted by misskitty

Can any of our resident experts explain why this is a 'yes?'

Mercury is translating light from Jupiter (quesited) to querent's 3rd house ruler, Venus. That's the yes. So Mercury.. is an e-mail sent from him (Jupiter... first planet); this could also suggest the querent had a hand in it.

Also .. it's good to put a time frame in questions like these--otherwise it's very open ended.

Thank you for posting an update.

[vivi]

Originally Posted by SagiCap

Hi Vivi,

Would you mind giving detail about how this happened (as much as you're comfortable with giving, of course) to help us all learn from this?

2 things:

I would specifically like to know if he replied back to you (after you initiated) or if you hadn't spoken and this came out of the blue.

Also - how did it happen.

I had a very recent chart asking if the guy I like will reply to a gallery showing invite of my artwork (it asked if people could come) and it showed great positivity but not a reply to my email. We trined as signifactors but my msg. signifactor opposed him. He ended up contacting me on his own soon after.

I'm glad it worked out for you. Hopefully, more to come! Good luck.

Hi,

My last e-mail was 1 month ago, after that he didn't replied to me and I didn't send him anything else. 2 days ago he send me this specific e-mail and said to me that he doesn't know why did I stoped communication ( ) . He doesn't sound "enthusiastic" about everything ...and I'm not sure did he even got my mail last time ( I ask him about that now so I will see what he will say).
I hope that we will clear this thing up